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akpa
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i play this game as a casual player and it s very anoying when u are a casual player and want to try different builds and u need to respec. 500zen for a respec? come on that s too much - it s like 5$ or 2 weeks for farming dilithium 8k/day.
who s with me we should make a petition or something like that. the best thing about the devs of this game is that they listen their customers s opinions.
who s with me we should make a petition or something like that. the best thing about the devs of this game is that they listen their customers s opinions.
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I don't think we're playing the same game.
:rolleyes: I admit... that was funny...
on the topic: the old skilltree was fine actually, needed just a little tweaking in the ship sector and one major addition, so that you never stopped filling it up.
srsly, endlessly (up to a max level for each skill ofcourse) filling up the skilltree. It wouldn't have made you overpowered, since you only had a limited number of BOFF ability/weapons/ship choices, but it would have greatly encouraged switching ships more often + swapping abilities (since they would all be boosted/skilled)
there was put alot of effort into the new skilltree and the result is mediocre at best, if they simply had made the old skilltree opened up for more skllpoints after maxlevel, alot of workforce could have been put into other aspects.
Also the ground combat rewamp was kind of too much, lowering player and NPC health was already enough to make the ground combat a less dull experiance. No real need for shooter mode, that kind of takes away the ability to use your powers.
It is too late, and not my place to question the decissions they made, but if you consider that all of this developement time was wasted and could have been spent on feature episodes, KDF content, serious bugg fixing
R.I.P
Oh thank you, you had me in stitches. I haven't laughed that hard in a long time.
Hahahahahaha, now that made be spit my tea out all over myself
That is a quote destined for a signature of epic proportions
The Devs listen to the opinions of their Customers? WHEN? Often, they do not. Even less when it comes to their pricing.
You're a ' casual player', by your own admission. The game should not be built around 'casual players'. That makes for a really boring game for everyone else. 'Casual players' don't PvP, and don't like tough AI, because they take too much time. 'Casual players' often don't bother to master the game mechanics, and just spacebar their way through the game.
Perhaps the term you should use is 'infrequent'. Casual has a different meaning in the MMO world, imo.
You played for free, now it's time to pay the piper.
The issue I have with the price of re-spec tokens is thus: I foolishly bought a ton of ships from the C-Store and am now being penalized for it because, in order to take a different ship out of Space dock from time to time, and use it to its full potential; I am required to re-spec my skill points to fit the Bridge Officer Layout and class of the ship.
You see, my main character is rich in resources and equipment that are for some reason bound only to him rather than to my account! Therefore, it doesn?t make much sense to me to sink hours upon hours of my time into another character specifically molded to each ship that I own because I already have all the gear I?d ever want on my main Character. That and I want my main character to simply, on a whim, be able to decide what ship to leave space-dock with. However, I can?t do that without suffering the penalty that one suffers for not having a properly skilled Character to fit your ship choice? and in order to properly spec my character, I have to grind for a month the Zen required at 8,000 Dil. A day or fork out $5.00. I can?t do either of those things to satisfy my whimsical self who like to pilot different ships regularly.
So? I?m screwed and because of it will not be buying any more ships. Not even fleet ships. I will not be buying re-spec tokens and I am in fact not satisfied with Cryptic?s little trap in this regard. If Cryptic decided to you know, have a different skill point tree per each ship costume you owned. That would be great. Then, when a specific ship needed tweaking, I could just buy a re-trait token then and re-spec it.
However, knowing Cryptics track record. I have zero hope that they will do anything at all to better this situation. So? I?m done paying into this BS system.
Cryptic is a business and it has bills to pay like everyone.
During leveling if you are a gold or life, you recieve respec token at each promotion. That adds up to I believe 6 free respecs. I may be wrong but each new character you get on your account also gets them. I am now at 300 days with 4 characters; that adds up to 24 respecs or $120 worth of free stuff. How much more do you want from a business. You also get free respecs at Veteran reward levels 100/400/600/900; another 20 bucks worth.
Cryptic is giving you 6/10 free shots to get it right or change it up. That's pretty fair in my books. They are not saying you can't change further, but it is reasonable to make you pay for it in my opinion. It's their world and we just roleplay in it.
As for your ton of C-Store ships, they are account wide unlocks, so you can use them on all your account characters for free. So pick a character and stick with one class of ship. Or delete one and start fresh for your desired ship/class. Not sure but you will/may again get free respects at each promotion. You can also purchase addition character slots, again more than likely getting more free respec tokens. I'm sorry if you are too lazy or are too busy to roll another toon. We all are in the same boat if it makes you feel better.
As to your issues with resources, your free account bank will let you transfer resources easily, or go old school and mail them to yourself or any character on your account. All Dilithium/Zen earned on your characters (same account) goes in the same pot, so getting 500 zen will take some doing, but not a month with multiple alts (77500 dilithium @ 155/zen, or roughly 10 days at max refine with one character). You can also transfer EC to various alts using the account bank. Some equipment is now transferable between characters, and maybe more to come (we can only hope...). If you are not running multiple alts, you are ripping yourself off. You paid for them, so use them. They each can generate more Dilithium therefore more free respecs and the only cost is your time and effort.
If you cannot do any of the above you have a problem that needs to be taken up with Support.
If you are free to play... then pay the piper.
Perhaps you should move away from trying to min/max for each specific ship and spec high in skills that benefit them all and then distribute the rest of the points based on which ships you fly most often.
At the risk of coming off like I am telling you that you're playing the game wrong (which I am honestly not trying to do), you are making things more difficult on yourself by fighting against the mechanics of the game, which are not broken, simply because you want to do everything with one toon.
I certainly agree that even F2P players should get a free respec at 50. Most people don't understand the skill tree fully, and it's a little unfair to them to lock them into potentially poor decisions they may have made, simply because they didn't have the full understanding of endgame play and mechanics.
500 years in the future and we still look like schmucks when getting our ID photos taken...
I agree with you there. especially considering how powerful the endgame (C-store) ships are.
Dilithium is free to get. Converting to Zen is free. So respect tokens are free. Heck your ship is free too. Using it on all characters on your account.... free. More characters.... free.
Ohhhhh... you want it all now.... then pay the piper.
i'm not against pay to play or pay to make your life easier but 500zen for a respec or farming a lot to get it for free is not really fair imo. anyway the prices in the c-store are really high if we compare them with others mmo's shopmalls. and when u need to pay 25bucks for the best ship this game transform from free2play to pay2win. i know u can get the zen from dilithium but u need to farm your gear too and pvp sucks anyway why they need to make it even worst?
when i started this game my main goal was to get lvl 50 and go for space pvp cuz i saw some videos on youtube and thought it s freaking awesome but when i dinged lvl 50 i had a huge disappointment, not only the pvp is a joke but the gear and the ship and the spec are the things that matter there. some players says that teamwork is much more important then those things but from what i seen...
p.s. the game provide u with almost unlimited builds and gameplay styles and if this is a huge advantage of this game why not to explore it to maximum?
About changing ships. Here is my idea. Make a general spec, a jack of all trades. Good at nothing, you might say. I don't know. Good with beam weapons is always OK. Engines and defenses against tractor beam, your sensor capability etc. that stuff is fine for any captain. Also never go red when you spec.
If you really want to go all out with captain, ship and spec, make one, a specialist, and leave it to that.
And that is nice of them that they dish out some free but game necessities as you level up! It still does not change the fact whatsoever that this system intentionally or not, places penalties on players like myself who have a multitude of C-Store ships, and who also only want or have time to play a single Character. I work for a living and support a family. Due to this, I cannot spend my time to grind for gear or to earn Zen in this game; if I did, I?d be working at the game in a completely un-enjoyable manner and would therefore simply find something entertaining to do other than play STO in my few free hours a week.
I suppose you keep missing the point that a working person like me simply does not have the free time to create level up and then grind multiple characters to earn Zen points. You might have that time?.?
This is completely deceiving. In fact, it is so completely ignorant of the factual limitations of bound items to Characters that I just nearly deleted my reply because, frankly, it is so dishonest that I consider your statement nothing more than forum trolling. However, I?ll grant you the benefit of the doubt that you are merely ignorant with regard to the shear quantity of resources/currencies etc. that are Character bound items. With that in mind, I would like to inform you that the best loot in the game and the loot and/or resources that are worth the time to get, are un-transferable in this method. They are in fact Character bound. Also, did you know that the new Fleet Starships are Character bound items? That is correct! You cannot share them with other Characters no more than prototype gear. The same goes for lock box goodies that you open up!
Anyway, I hope that my reply here clears things up!
Yeah, again, when you have a family of your own and work to afford to live on your own you might understand my disagreement here with how easy it is to grind for Zen! Anyway, my point of contention is not even about earning Zen, I can simply buy a whole lot of it much faster than you could grind for it. I earn a good wage after all! My issue is with being penalized for having purchased over half of the Federation C-Store ships in support of this game; penalized by a game mechanic that is possibly not all that well thought out? Why should I be penalized unless I re-spec each time I want to fly a different ship with the same Character or why should I be forced to never specialize and go with a lackluster skill point spec that is not really great at anything?
In my own opinion, it would be fair to tie skill points to ship costumes. That way, if I chose to do something different with a particular ship, I could just buy a re-trait token and do something different with it. It would also mean, I could happily leave space dock with any one of the many ships I had purchased, and feel great about doing it, because I would have spent my skill points specific to each ship!
Has anyone ever told you , *time is money!*? The time it would cost me to grind enough Dilithium to earn enough Zen in order to purchase that re-trait token is not worth it. Let?s say that it would cost me six hours to grind for 500 Zen. In six hours my time is worth $159USD. For a $5.00 item! Yeah, no thank you!
At the same time, if I had wanted to play with my Galaxy X, then switch to my Catian Carrier or my Vulcan D?Kyr, and I wanted to say PVP in them, I would at least be required to re-trait twice in order to be competitive or I could simply not change ships. Thus, I?m not enjoying the purchases I had previously made. Therefore, the solution currently is, not to buy re-trait tokens, not to buy any more ships and simply play the game for free, not spending a dim. This is possibly not the position that Cryptic wants to put me in as a consumer, but it is exactly the position they have put me in. So? if any of the developers read this reply? now you know why the monthly purchases of the new shiny ships have stopped from one of your loyal consumers. You screwed me over!
then u dont have to respec, you just switch to the character that suits your need with the given skills
Thx
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oh tnx dude you save my life! that s the ultimate solution and the best one! why to farm for dilithium all day when u can lvl up chars and stay hours to farm the gear!
good job man criptic should hire you for this brillian idea!
It is very clear he/she didn't read anything at all and just read a line or two and was like... I've GOT IT.
This is of course without having read why his idea has/her already been shot down... :rolleyes:
Well I'm prob a bit late posting this as you have taken another players advice on the matter but I do have to say this,
Your playing the game for FREE be greatful of that instead of winging about options that are not FREE.
As others have said on gold membership you get respec tokens every 10 levels if you want those options you have to pay for the game oh and you will find with the player who told you to go and create more toons after two that will cost you money as well lol, so in a nut shell if you really want to enjoy the game you will have to pay some dollars if not quit complaining and be greatful you can even play it!
And for all the people who feel the need to flame me and tell me you can get all of this stuff by grinding, save it the OP has already mentioned he/she is a casual player so they wouldn't have the time to grind!
It really does amaze me how so many people complain about FREE stuff.
You too perhaps have not read through the discussion. I?m not at all complaining about playing a free game. In fact, until I realized how screwed I was after purchasing these ships for my Character; I had no complaint whatsoever when I spent my money on the C-Store; well except that the Vulcan Ship did not come with its own unique Bridge as it very well should have. Anyway, I feel my complaint is completely valid and the very fact that you post some TRIBBLE about players decrying playing for free, is indicative that you didn?t both reading through the discussion. So in a nut shell your response is un-needed and un-helpful at this point in time.
See, I would be happy to have a reason to buy some of the newer C-Store Ships. As it is now however, I refuse to penalize myself further. I refuse to be screwed over for making another purchase! And why should I not take this exact stance on this issue? Three or four months ago I was happy to buy neat things in the C-Store! Especially Ships! But now that I realize how important it is gameplay wise to have properly spent your skill points tailored to each ship, why should I ever buy another ship? I certainly cannot afford to re-trait every time I play the game because I?m crazy and actually like to fly around different ships in PVP and PVE end game content.
Imagine how ticked off the RP crowed would be if they needed too, in addition of buying costumes, buy a token in order to put on that costume! It is essentially the same dilemma I?m faced with when wanting to use a different ship on the same character. I need to buy a token each time I chose to go out into the game world with a different ship. It is absurd! Now, Cryptic needs to still make money, so I?d suggested simply that they tie a new skill point tree to each ship costume; because frankly, that is how ships are handled in this game. Each ship is a costume for your character no more and no less.
If you don't want to grind...
And you don't want to pay...
Then son, you're out of options. Welcome to F2P MMOs.
500 years in the future and we still look like schmucks when getting our ID photos taken...
Yet another person who is missing the point. I would love to pay for ships and use them. I refuse to be penalized however for using them after buying them. $10.00 each time I want to take a different ship out and then go back to the one I was using is BS>
That is what i'm saying son! Get my drift??? piffffffttt...