Wow. The first race we encounter in STO that doesn't want to make endless bloody war with us and actually values living in peace with their neighbors, and you call them "cowards".
I agree with the OP. The Deferi are useless. In the most recent (and last?) FE the Borg are invading their space and their attitude is that they aren't sure they want to fight? They take indecisiveness to a new level.
I say respect the prime directive in regards to the Deferi and allow them to get assimilated and go extinct. Some species just aren't meant to survive.
I really like the design of some of the Deferi ships - I think they'd make a great lockbox reward.
Also, it'd be nice if they were added as a playable race for new Fed and KDF characters.
You can make a perfect Deferi already with the Alien creator, but I know what you mean by faction. Some type of "Neutral" to the Fed/KDF war faction would be appealing to some players.
Failing that, a Deferi purchaseable Captain in the c-store would apeal to some, but it would be lackluster due to the fact you can already make a perfect one with the Alien creator. PLUS, the Deferi's philosophy towards balance would introduce a strange conudrum. What if there are more Def captains in Starfleet than the KDF? Wouldn't "Balance" dictate that excess Fed Defs resign and join the KDf to rebalance their inclusion in the Fed/KDF war?
It's best that they maintain their "Neutral" status and be included in a "Neutral" faction.
That being said, the Deferi Battleship is my vote for a ship from them.
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Wow. The first race we encounter in STO that doesn't want to make endless bloody war with us and actually values living in peace with their neighbors, and you call them "cowards".
You play a game where the majority of players demand dreadnought warships, battlecarriers, miniguns, bombs, havoc and doombringer weapons for the united federation of planets
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
But that's what they want and that's what Cryptic will provide
I was just saying, don't waste your breath on something like that. This is Mirror Universe Online: Total War 40.000.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
They just strike me as blue fish people with terrible fashion sense. There's nothing wrong with a race that values peace and harmony, but if they're incapable of defending themselves (which they don't), then that comes across as incredibly weak. Sure, one can argue "Technologically Behind" and all that, but there's no harm in trying.
If they were ramming Breen ships in order to fend them off, and collapsing buildings on Borg encampments to hinder their progress, then I would respect them more.
But I'm saving them over, and over, and over again, to the point where I genuinely wonder if they would even try to defend themselves.
Not only does that go against their own philosophy, but their philosophy opens up all kinds of disturbing possibilities; If someone has atomic/biological/thalaron weapons, then wouldn't the balanced thing to do is get some of your own? If someone TRIBBLE a member of your family, shouldn't you go **** one of theirs? If you end up killing someone's kid in a construction accident, shouldn't they get to kill one of yours? The more you think about it, the creepier it gets.... :eek:
Even discounting all that, their design is kind of lazy. They don't look like there was much thought put into them. They're blue fish people with weird bits on their faces. They could have looked much cooler.
I'm with the OP. Not only are they terrible Allies with not much to offer to the table, it would cost a lot to help them out. Absolutely useless. Maybe if you strapped enough of them to your hull though.... :P:D
As far as 'Allies' go, they really CAN'T do much to help simply because they've only just recently expanded into space. The Preserver archive will help, should they be talked into making use of it's tech.
As Kirk said at one point in ST: "Another Belgium. Another weak, innocent group on the natural paths of invasion" (Or something along those lines). Deferi is part of that group, as being 'invaded' by the Breen (and the Borg).
The Deferi aren't really meant to be useful allies, by virtue of that quote. But it's still nice that in this galaxy, there's at least one race who isn't interested in war, even a little
And also, as far as Balance goes, the only aspects of it we've actively seen with the Deferi is Environment vs Expansion, and the galactic balance of power. There's no hints yet that they do those creepy possibilities centersolace...
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
As far as 'Allies' go, they really CAN'T do much to help simply because they've only just recently expanded into space. The Preserver archive will help, should they be talked into making use of it's tech.
Yes... but it wouldn't hurt for them to help themselves every so often. I'm not saying that the fact that they enjoy peace is bad, it's that they're little leeches who give TRIBBLE in return.
And also, as far as Balance goes, the only aspects of it we've actively seen with the Deferi is Environment vs Expansion, and the galactic balance of power. There's no hints yet that they do those creepy possibilities centersolace...
But there's nothing that says they don't either! :eek:
Yes... but it wouldn't hurt for them to help themselves every so often. I'm not saying that the fact that they enjoy peace is bad, it's that they're little leeches who give TRIBBLE in return.
But there's nothing that says they don't either! :eek:
Well, any ships we save in the 'Aid the Deferi' Dailies do their best to aid us against the Breen we fight. It's not much, but they are trying (but due to underdeveloped weapons, they only do any real damage against unshielded facings... and even then not much).
Perhaps a small buff is needed for their ships, with the explanation being Preserver tech in use. Make them better, but not do all the work for us. And on a more idealistic idea, possibly be introduced alongside a new bunch of Preserver-influenced tech, for use on both factions
True, very true... and until we get hints/confirmation either way, speculation will get us everywhere.
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
And on a side-note centersolace, the Deferi like it when all things are balanced. They'll do their best to correct any imbalances, that is true, but it seems most likely that willingly/knowingly creating an imbalance...
Well, that'd be like treason for us. So I highly doubt any imbalances, such as murder of a child, would willingly be done by any mentally-sane Deferi.
So I think most of those creepy possibilities aren't very likely. Possible, yes, but not likely.
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
You play a game where the majority of players demand dreadnought warships, battlecarriers, miniguns, bombs, havoc and doombringer weapons for the united federation of planets
Kidstuff! I want full Section 31 or Terran Empire status! They get S%&# done!
They just strike me as blue fish people with terrible fashion sense. There's nothing wrong with a race that values peace and harmony, but if they're incapable of defending themselves (which they don't), then that comes across as incredibly weak. Sure, one can argue "Technologically Behind" and all that, but there's no harm in trying.
The Deferi have defense worked out, though: They can sic both the Federation AND the Klingons on them. With that kind of pull, who needs a military?
I'm with the OP. Not only are they terrible Allies with not much to offer to the table, it would cost a lot to help them out. Absolutely useless. Maybe if you strapped enough of them to your hull though.... :P:D
Well, apparently they offer SOMETHING, enough to make the Klingons obligated to help them. Just because that something isn't visibly apparent in-game, where everything is around stuff blowing up, doesn't mean it isn't there.
The Deferi have defense worked out, though: They can sic both the Federation AND the Klingons on them. With that kind of pull, who needs a military?
Well, apparently they offer SOMETHING, enough to make the Klingons obligated to help them. Just because that something isn't visibly apparent in-game, where everything is around stuff blowing up, doesn't mean it isn't there.
Those sneaky TRIBBLE! They're more conniving than the Undine! :eek:
All the opponent races in STO are cowards, especially the Breen.
They all need to use holds to win.
The Breen freeze you in place by venting their life support. Of course they don't realistically collapse from heat frustration at that point like they should, but continue to spam it like the Sub Nucs their cruisers spam because they can't face a functioning ship or a fair fight.
Klingons have to launch boarding shuttles as the "Great Warriors" couldn't stand a fair fight with an opponent that has all systems working. Let's not even mention the unrealistic Battle Cloak that allows a BoP that's been pounded down to no shields and very little hull to just disappear.
They should be making ships out of cloaking device bits instead of hull material as indestructible as they are.
The deferi refuse to fight, but at least they don't CHEAT.
All the opponent races in STO are cowards, especially the Breen.
They all need to use holds to win.
The Breen freeze you in place by venting their life support. Of course they don't realistically collapse from heat frustration at that point like they should, but continue to spam it like the Sub Nucs their cruisers spam because they can't face a functioning ship or a fair fight.
Klingons have to launch boarding shuttles as the "Great Warriors" couldn't stand a fair fight with an opponent that has all systems working. Let's not even mention the unrealistic Battle Cloak that allows a BoP that's been pounded down to no shields and very little hull to just disappear.
They should be making ships out of cloaking device bits instead of hull material as indestructible as they are.
The deferi refuse to fight, but at least they don't CHEAT.
And Star Fleet hides behind children...They bring children with them on starships, and say they are their strength, but what fools would bring kids with them in a warzone. If someone happens to take their children, and use them as hostages they act surprise....maybe they should not have been there in there first place.
Failing that, a Deferi purchaseable Captain in the c-store would apeal to some, but it would be lackluster due to the fact you can already make a perfect one with the Alien creator. .
You can make a perfect Klingon with the alien creator as well. And to get the hair I want, or to make a TOS Klingon, that is exactly what I do.
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Also, it'd be nice if they were added as a playable race for new Fed and KDF characters.
I agree with the OP. The Deferi are useless. In the most recent (and last?) FE the Borg are invading their space and their attitude is that they aren't sure they want to fight? They take indecisiveness to a new level.
I say respect the prime directive in regards to the Deferi and allow them to get assimilated and go extinct. Some species just aren't meant to survive.
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You can make a perfect Deferi already with the Alien creator, but I know what you mean by faction. Some type of "Neutral" to the Fed/KDF war faction would be appealing to some players.
Failing that, a Deferi purchaseable Captain in the c-store would apeal to some, but it would be lackluster due to the fact you can already make a perfect one with the Alien creator. PLUS, the Deferi's philosophy towards balance would introduce a strange conudrum. What if there are more Def captains in Starfleet than the KDF? Wouldn't "Balance" dictate that excess Fed Defs resign and join the KDf to rebalance their inclusion in the Fed/KDF war?
It's best that they maintain their "Neutral" status and be included in a "Neutral" faction.
That being said, the Deferi Battleship is my vote for a ship from them.
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But that's what they want and that's what Cryptic will provide
I was just saying, don't waste your breath on something like that. This is Mirror Universe Online: Total War 40.000.
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If they were ramming Breen ships in order to fend them off, and collapsing buildings on Borg encampments to hinder their progress, then I would respect them more.
But I'm saving them over, and over, and over again, to the point where I genuinely wonder if they would even try to defend themselves.
Not only does that go against their own philosophy, but their philosophy opens up all kinds of disturbing possibilities; If someone has atomic/biological/thalaron weapons, then wouldn't the balanced thing to do is get some of your own? If someone TRIBBLE a member of your family, shouldn't you go **** one of theirs? If you end up killing someone's kid in a construction accident, shouldn't they get to kill one of yours? The more you think about it, the creepier it gets.... :eek:
Even discounting all that, their design is kind of lazy. They don't look like there was much thought put into them. They're blue fish people with weird bits on their faces. They could have looked much cooler.
I'm with the OP. Not only are they terrible Allies with not much to offer to the table, it would cost a lot to help them out. Absolutely useless. Maybe if you strapped enough of them to your hull though.... :P:D
As Kirk said at one point in ST: "Another Belgium. Another weak, innocent group on the natural paths of invasion" (Or something along those lines). Deferi is part of that group, as being 'invaded' by the Breen (and the Borg).
The Deferi aren't really meant to be useful allies, by virtue of that quote. But it's still nice that in this galaxy, there's at least one race who isn't interested in war, even a little
And also, as far as Balance goes, the only aspects of it we've actively seen with the Deferi is Environment vs Expansion, and the galactic balance of power. There's no hints yet that they do those creepy possibilities centersolace...
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Yes... but it wouldn't hurt for them to help themselves every so often. I'm not saying that the fact that they enjoy peace is bad, it's that they're little leeches who give TRIBBLE in return.
But there's nothing that says they don't either! :eek:
Perhaps a small buff is needed for their ships, with the explanation being Preserver tech in use. Make them better, but not do all the work for us. And on a more idealistic idea, possibly be introduced alongside a new bunch of Preserver-influenced tech, for use on both factions
True, very true... and until we get hints/confirmation either way, speculation will get us everywhere.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Well, that'd be like treason for us. So I highly doubt any imbalances, such as murder of a child, would willingly be done by any mentally-sane Deferi.
So I think most of those creepy possibilities aren't very likely. Possible, yes, but not likely.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
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Kidstuff! I want full Section 31 or Terran Empire status! They get S%&# done!
Well, apparently they offer SOMETHING, enough to make the Klingons obligated to help them. Just because that something isn't visibly apparent in-game, where everything is around stuff blowing up, doesn't mean it isn't there.
Those sneaky TRIBBLE! They're more conniving than the Undine! :eek:
They all need to use holds to win.
The Breen freeze you in place by venting their life support. Of course they don't realistically collapse from heat frustration at that point like they should, but continue to spam it like the Sub Nucs their cruisers spam because they can't face a functioning ship or a fair fight.
Klingons have to launch boarding shuttles as the "Great Warriors" couldn't stand a fair fight with an opponent that has all systems working. Let's not even mention the unrealistic Battle Cloak that allows a BoP that's been pounded down to no shields and very little hull to just disappear.
They should be making ships out of cloaking device bits instead of hull material as indestructible as they are.
The deferi refuse to fight, but at least they don't CHEAT.
And Star Fleet hides behind children...They bring children with them on starships, and say they are their strength, but what fools would bring kids with them in a warzone. If someone happens to take their children, and use them as hostages they act surprise....maybe they should not have been there in there first place.
I am aware they did that in Next Gen, but it doesn't appear to effect the gaming any.
Whereas you can't play and not get a hold put on you by PvE enemies.
"Let's put one phaser turret on every ship! That should be good enough. And something about balance."
That pretty much only held true for the long-range exploration cruisers, where folks weren't expected to return for years.
But the Feds have shifted back to Kirk-era for most of their ships - no children, more military.
You can make a perfect Klingon with the alien creator as well. And to get the hair I want, or to make a TOS Klingon, that is exactly what I do.
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The Gorn don't. They just bite your head off and drop warp plasma in your face. Both very good tactics. :P
The Deferi don't have anything good going for 'em.