test content
Logo
What is the Arc Client?
Install Arc
Options
STF Gripes
hereticknight085
Member Posts: 3,783 Arc User
Hello my fellow STO players. I decided to start a thread on your biggest gripes in STFs, PvE, and basically anything non-PvP and non-solo play. Essentially team PvE play. So here's the first gripe.
Tactical Captains in Cruisers on Elite STFs
Why in the name of all things good right and sane are you in CRUISERS on ELITE stfs??????? Cmon, you have access to among the highest damage capable ships in the game in escorts, but nooooo you fly BEAM ARRAY CRUISERS. WHY?????? I mean doing it in normal is fine, normal is just for fun, but ELITES???? SERIOUSLY????
I mean come on, I am an engi captain, but since early on I made a mistake and didn't plan for late game, I never put any points into threat control, so my cruisers were useless in elite stfs. So I did everyone a favor and got an escort so I could be useful (and yes, I am too cheap to get 500 zen and get a retrain token). At least I TRY. -.-
People Using the FREE 4 Second Remodulator in Elite Ground Missions
COME ON. I mean... just COME ON!!!! It only costs 60 EDCs to get a mk X ground set, with which not only do you get a rather nice anti-borg setup, but you also get an INSTANT WEAPON REMODULATOR. None of this wait 4 seconds then keep on shooting bit. It's "oh TRIBBLE, they adapted. *pushes button* Ok, back to killing them."
This is fine on normals. 4 seconds doesn't mean much. The borg aren't likely to brutally turn you inside out in those 4 seconds of remodulating. But on ELITE... you can die in 2 seconds, sometimes less, especially if you have an elite tac drone who decided your existence was futile and you must be eliminated.
But no. I do elite STF pugs (yes, I know, I bring this upon myself) and I see guys going in, with NO INSTANT REMODULATOR, who go, shoot for a little, then die while remodulating and cry that the borg are OP. It's ELITE. WHAT DID YOU THINK WAS GOING TO HAPPEN?? Get the instant remodulator. It's easy. You do space elites (which in comparison to ground elites are almost stupidly easy), get your 60 EDCs, go into elite ground missions, and actually be USEFUL, and not just cannon fodder for the boss. Trust me, the injuries are NOT worth it.
Anyways, first gripe of the thread done.
This post has been edited to remove content which violates the Perfect World Entertainment Community Rules and Policies . ~Bluegeek
Tactical Captains in Cruisers on Elite STFs
Why in the name of all things good right and sane are you in CRUISERS on ELITE stfs??????? Cmon, you have access to among the highest damage capable ships in the game in escorts, but nooooo you fly BEAM ARRAY CRUISERS. WHY?????? I mean doing it in normal is fine, normal is just for fun, but ELITES???? SERIOUSLY????
I mean come on, I am an engi captain, but since early on I made a mistake and didn't plan for late game, I never put any points into threat control, so my cruisers were useless in elite stfs. So I did everyone a favor and got an escort so I could be useful (and yes, I am too cheap to get 500 zen and get a retrain token). At least I TRY. -.-
People Using the FREE 4 Second Remodulator in Elite Ground Missions
COME ON. I mean... just COME ON!!!! It only costs 60 EDCs to get a mk X ground set, with which not only do you get a rather nice anti-borg setup, but you also get an INSTANT WEAPON REMODULATOR. None of this wait 4 seconds then keep on shooting bit. It's "oh TRIBBLE, they adapted. *pushes button* Ok, back to killing them."
This is fine on normals. 4 seconds doesn't mean much. The borg aren't likely to brutally turn you inside out in those 4 seconds of remodulating. But on ELITE... you can die in 2 seconds, sometimes less, especially if you have an elite tac drone who decided your existence was futile and you must be eliminated.
But no. I do elite STF pugs (yes, I know, I bring this upon myself) and I see guys going in, with NO INSTANT REMODULATOR, who go, shoot for a little, then die while remodulating and cry that the borg are OP. It's ELITE. WHAT DID YOU THINK WAS GOING TO HAPPEN?? Get the instant remodulator. It's easy. You do space elites (which in comparison to ground elites are almost stupidly easy), get your 60 EDCs, go into elite ground missions, and actually be USEFUL, and not just cannon fodder for the boss. Trust me, the injuries are NOT worth it.
Anyways, first gripe of the thread done.
This post has been edited to remove content which violates the Perfect World Entertainment Community Rules and Policies . ~Bluegeek
It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once. 
Post edited by hereticknight085 on
0
Comments
While we're at it, why not ban all Sci officers, no matter what ship they're in, right? Right?
How about we ban anybody not running at least 3 boffs in tac skills and not using DHCs?
For your info, I do all right in a cruiser. I also tank damage so your escorts can flit around freely. I also heal your sorry TRIBBLE when you bite off more than you can chew. And yes, I'm a TAC. Do I like escorts? Yes! But my end-game ship is a cruiser and I'm not spending real world money to BUY a paid escort just to please you.
P.S. I've accomplished all elites with optionals in my cruiser. I know my role and play to my strengths. How about you? You don't seem to.
P.S. I'm not just blowing smoke when I say I do all right. I've consistently been above average in any PUG game I join. I don't top escorts that know what they're doing but my damage output isn't too far behind, and is well ahead of 2 or 3 others in any PUG I've checked my battlelog in.
Wrong. It was a total and blanket condemnation of every TAC player that doesn't roll an escort for STFs. It was a condemnation of cruisers participating in STFs as a whole. It was bigotted and myopic in point of view, and frankly a solid slap in the face to anybody that doesn't take a TAC player in a tier5 paid escort into STFs.
(Heck, I've even seen people flying lower tier ships in STF and I bet I would still see Freighters and Shuttles if they allowed it. Whatever floats your boat. There are groups to avoid "those" kind of situations, EliteSTF and PublicEliteSTF are there to help.)
And Secondly, TO GET THOSE 60 EDC YOU FIRST HAVE TO DO STF TO GET THE EDC. Everyone has to start somewhere. I go into EliteSTF with blue Retro Phasers until I can get better ones, but I do upgrade the first chance I get.
If you PUG, you have NO right to complain. This game is about how you want to play it. I'm betting your one of "those" players that starts PMing people and offering suggestions or better yet, blames everyone else when something goes wrong. If you put yourself into a situation where your are going to fail, like a PUG, you have no right to complain when you do or blame others.
LTS, here since...when did this game launch again?
Also to the other post, I don't openly condemn crusers in STFs. I only condemn cruisers that are NOT set up for STFs. If you really have a problem with this post, then don't respond in it.
Overall if set up right a tac in a cruiser can be more useful then an eng in a cruiser since you can still tank but also put out somewhat decent dps. I agree that a tac cruiser using beams is pretty useless though.
I agree that people without at least mk X sets are annoying in ground STFs, I have 4 characters that are level 50 that do ground and it never took me that long to farm 60 edc in space for a mk X set before doing elite ground. I never considered queing up for elite ground without a set as it just seems embarassing to be in elite using the free noob remodulator.
As for the free remodulator... how would you suggest I go about getting the free one? Hmmm? I could run normals I suppose but I want the Mk XII set... so I might as well kill 2 birds with one stone get the ECs/Rare tech I need for the Mk XI set... and have chances at getting the Mk XII set straight away and not have to get the Mk XI set at all.
I put my eng in an escort sometimes, it does good sustained dps although yes doesn't have the burst dps of a tac, but also dies much less. Dying less means even more dps over time. Can still give out somewhat decent heals with EPS power transfer boosting my aux power and do to being able to save my eng captain heals for myself. Also the eng abilities do help with dps a little like EPS power transfer and nadion.
Maybe the problem is most eng in patrol escorts you see run 2x EPTS and RSP which is greedy, I run 2x EPTS and Aux2SIF1 so have that hull heal to give out along with HE1 and TSS2. Lets me have somewhat decent healing while still doing good sustained dps which many people seem to prefer then having a eng in a cruiser on their team.
Beyond being selfish, I dropped the RSP pretty quick when I discovered Aux2SIF. It's simply better for me that way. I can use it myself, or hand it out. It's up every 15 seconds. And RSP wasn't really giving me as much extra survivability as it can in a cruiser. It usually got my shields back up just in time for the one-shot or heavy plasma torp to bleedthrough and kill my last few % hull anyway. Aux2SIF and Brace for Impact with Shield Distribution doffs have proven to be a much better option in the long run.
I suppose I was ditching on Engis a bit much, but I have BTDT myself. The built-in heals definitely make the escort less squishy, but if you've specced your char for cruisers, it seems a shame to waste that ability in an escort. I was never happy with the DPS I was putting out. More than the cruiser, sure, but paling compared to Tacs or even well flown Sci captains. And lacking the tanking and healing. Part of that can be negated by putting the ship together properly, though. (Engi-escort practically screams for 2xBOL and a DBB, so that you can wring out Nadion inversion.)
Proud Leader of the Massive Chaos Group
Proud Listener of Subspace-Radio.net The Voice of Star Trek Online.
[SIGPIC]http://massivechaos.enjin.com/[/SIGPIC]
Btw, this thread was an experiment I was running just to see what would happen if I threw one of these out there. Thank you all very much for your participation and very nice date and I hope you don't take too much offense to the original post.
Good hunting.
Sure, it takes longer and on elite it's almost certain you won't get the optional if you are in a group of 5 skittle boat science ships, or but you can still win. As long as each player knows/listens to what to do, what ship and what set up is totally irrelavent to the likelihood of completion of the STF.
What drops at the end has nothing to do with how professionally the mission is done either, so I don't really understand the gripe.
I also run a:
Star Cruiser that is a Shield buster with 5 Tachyon Arrays, a Tachyon Bank, plus Fore and Aft Har'Pengs.
Mirror Star running Polaron and Chronitons.
Mirror Assault Cruiser that runs Diisruptors and Transphasics (Working on accquiring Antiprotons)
Regardless of what ship I'm using I always have Transfer Shield Strength and Hazard Emitters II for whoever needs it.
Is this accomplishing anything besides setting up yet another We Vs. They feud in the forums? Because I really don't think an Escort Engineer Vs. Cruiser Tactical feud is necessary.
If this is just blowing off steam, I can appreciate that. But please make sure your posts are within the Forum rules (not picking fights, not insulting others, etc).
Thanks
Link: How to PM - Twitter @STOMod_Bluegeek