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I want to support STO, but the price of the lifetime subscription is too high.

foxinthesnowfoxinthesnow Member Posts: 9 Arc User
edited September 2012 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
Back in the beta the price of the LTS was $250, now it's $300 and free to play. I know crytic had a LTS sale awhile ago for $200, a pricepoint, I ultimately decided against. Considering STO is a f2p game, and we're around the half life of the game, I decided it's overpriced. Also, I had a gold membership so all my bank + inventory is maxed out, and I bought the one billion EC wallet, so I basically have all the advantages of a gold member right now.

I want to support STO, but the price of the LTS has to come down to a more appropriate level.
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  • thetruthurtsthetruthurts Member Posts: 22 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Then dont buy a LT sub. Buy some zen every month, then whenever something comes along that you want you'll already have enough.
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Currently the LTS is not worth it and this is coming from a Lifer that got their LTS the day it first came out in Open Beta. Considering that you have the advantages of a gold member, then the only use a LTS has is veteran rewards and the liberated borg race. Those benefits aren't worth $200 IMO. If I was a person looking into getting a LTS right now, then I would take more consideration than I did when I bought it right now. Basically, I saw myself playing the game years later and decided it was worth the investment. Therefore, it might be in your best interests to not purchase the LTS even if it comes down in price. If you have money to burn, then go for it. Otherwise, use it on more important things.

    If you want to support STO, then there is the C-Store and Master Keys.
  • foxfire2000foxfire2000 Member Posts: 160 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Why buy a LTS when you can play the entire game for free now......as others have pointed out $300 for a monthly stipend and a toon borg is very steep indeed....and with the silly prices on the zen store you could by what with the montly stipend....... 2 ships a year. lol

    Save yourself a lot of cash and stay ftp..........i mean do you really want to reward the people who run this game for making STO The grind lockbox fest. lol
  • cosmoscolacosmoscola Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    foxinthesnow wrote: »
    Back in the beta the price of the LTS was $250, now it's $300 and free to play. I know crytic had a LTS sale awhile ago for $200, a pricepoint, I ultimately decided against. Considering STO is a f2p game, and we're around the half life of the game, I decided it's overpriced. Also, I had a gold membership so all my bank + inventory is maxed out, and I bought the one billion EC wallet, so I basically have all the advantages of a gold member right now.

    I want to support STO, but the price of the LTS has to come down to a more appropriate level.

    I feel the same way, however, a bunch of lifetimers cannot keep the game around in the long run. You need a steady income as a basis. Given the price for LTS is so high, and only supports the game in the short term, I now buy Zen every month instead. That said, I am that cheap, that I no longer am a Gold member. For me, it?s way more priceworthy to just buy Zen one or two times a month.

    What I am curious about, is when you say the game is: "around the half life"... What/how do you mean??
  • foxinthesnowfoxinthesnow Member Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    thetruthurts wrote: »
    Then dont buy a LT sub. Buy some zen every month, then whenever something comes along that you want you'll already have enough.

    I have all the ships/outfits I want, I also have hundreds of millions of ec. I'm on the other side of the f2p endgame, the only way to make money off of me now is the LTS.:P
    cosmoscola wrote: »
    What I am curious about, is when you say the game is: "around the half life"... What/how do you mean??

    What I meant was that we are around the midpoint of the games life, IMO of course. I don't see it going much longer than three more years, it can even end much sooner depending on the profits (or lack of) STO generates.
  • comm0nsensecomm0nsense Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    It sounds like you have an existential quandary.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    I got LTS, why? Because it rocks. How many months of Gold is the cost of LTS?
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  • crusty8maccrusty8mac Member Posts: 1,381 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    markhawkman wrote: »
    I got LTS, why? Because it rocks. How many months of Gold is the cost of LTS?

    Right about 20 months. Not worth it, now.
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    foxinthesnow wrote: »
    I have all the ships/outfits I want, I also have hundreds of millions of ec. I'm on the other side of the f2p endgame, the only way to make money off of me now is the LTS.:P
    Considering they put out around $300.00 worth of C-Store items each year, not including Lockbox items, it's unlikely that you won't be buying additional things over the next year+. Cryptic is going to get money out of you one way or another. If you're a Trek fan you can't help but buy your favorite geek-moment Trek thing. :)
    What I meant was that we are around the midpoint of the games life, IMO of course. I don't see it going much longer than three more years, it can even end much sooner depending on the profits (or lack of) STO generates.
    Same old DOOM arguments. I remember those all the way back from 1 month after launch, over 2.5 years ago. :)
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    crusty8mac wrote: »
    Right about 20 months. Not worth it, now.
    I suppose you think that you won't keep playing that long?
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  • ericsonxxericsonxx Member Posts: 253 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    foxinthesnow wrote: »
    I have all the ships/outfits I want, I also have hundreds of millions of ec. I'm on the other side of the f2p endgame, the only way to make money off of me now is the LTS.:P



    What I meant was that we are around the midpoint of the games life, IMO of course. I don't see it going much longer than three more years, it can even end much sooner depending on the profits (or lack of) STO generates.

    Wanna buy me a Recluse or Dkora? Pweeease? :)
  • crypticarmsmancrypticarmsman Member Posts: 4,115 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    From a strict ROI viewpoint - at $300 for the LTS; (unless you have a LOAD of alts which in the long run offset some other C-Store costs); at the rate of the 500 Zen monthly stipend, it would take you 60 months (5 years) to effectively recoup that $300 inventment. After that you've 'saved' some cash (assuming you continue to find items in the CStore or Dilithium Store is you covert the Zen - that you want to obtain.)

    I'm also one of the folks who's been LTS since day one in 2010 when trhe game launched; and I still like the game, so I have gotten a ROI at this point. That said, were I looking at an LTS today, I do not think I would find it worth the money. You'll get better enjoyment just buying what you like as they release it - and would still be supporting the game.

    In the end though, the choice is yours.
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  • medtac124medtac124 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    I can't see myself getting a lifetime sub anytime soon, although I am a month-to-month member. I'm seeing how it goes.
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  • snoge00fsnoge00f Member Posts: 1,812 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    medtac124 wrote: »
    I can't see myself getting a lifetime sub anytime soon, although I am a month-to-month member. I'm seeing how it goes.

    Smart man. I probably should not have purchased the LTS, but I was so drunk on the game back then. I figured that the game would keep getting better and better.

    PvP has actually gotten worse since then. :|
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  • foxfire2000foxfire2000 Member Posts: 160 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    snoge00f wrote: »
    Smart man. I probably should not have purchased the LTS, but I was so drunk on the game back then. I figured that the game would keep getting better and better.

    PvP has actually gotten worse since then. :|

    I am sure many of us LTS thought the same way when we parted with our hard earned cash for that LTS way back at launch.
  • syberghostsyberghost Member Posts: 1,711 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Transwarped thread to "General Community Feedback", since it's Feedback of a General nature. :)
    Former moderator of these forums. Lifetime sub since before launch. Been here since before public betas. Foundry author of "Franklin Drake Must Die".
  • kyeto13kyeto13 Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    I want to support STO too, but right now i can't justify even going Sub. There is just no incentive for me to spend $15 a month to gain access to the game that I can get in for free. I can then use that $15 to buy Zen and that stuff, that is 75% of the way to a new ship. Where as, if i went sub, I would have only 400 zen in 30 days... and a bunch of other perks I can upgrade and buy on my own.
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  • crusty8maccrusty8mac Member Posts: 1,381 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    markhawkman wrote: »
    I suppose you think that you won't keep playing that long?

    I'll be here until they close the doors.

    Since I am already a lifer, it doesn't matter to me.

    If I were purchasing now, I would just get a one month sub, and convert to F2P after the month. The 100+ day rewards aren't worth the money.
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  • xcom43xcom43 Member Posts: 723 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    14$ a month ver's a life sub hmm i would rather save up for a life sub be cause for one you can unlock the Borg Officer two you get the 500 stipend per month and the date you bye your lifesub and three no more paying for the game other then the Z points.
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  • foxinthesnowfoxinthesnow Member Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    I'll put a dollar figure on what I think the LTS is worth at this stage of the game, f2p/2.5 years old. I'd be willing to pay $100 for a LTS "lite" membership without the $5 monthly zen funbucks stipend. Essentially, I'm willing to pay $100 just for the veterans rewards, and to support STO.
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    Same old DOOM arguments. I remember those all the way back from 1 month after launch, over 2.5 years ago. :)

    I just put it out there as a possibility, crytic has been very "cryptic" regarding the business side of STO. Besides, if I really thought STO was going to close down soon I wouldn't be interested in a LTS.
  • majesticmsfcmajesticmsfc Member Posts: 1,401 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    snoge00f wrote: »
    Smart man. I probably should not have purchased the LTS, but I was so drunk on the game back then. I figured that the game would keep getting better and better.

    PvP has actually gotten worse since then. :|

    I have to agree, I thought it was getting better when I bought mine then we get those overpriced EVA suits, fleet modules and Account Banks slots, not to mention the whole season 6 waste of time. If all of that was released before the sale my decision would be totally different.

    I really want the KDF fleshed out and some more story missions, it's what attracted me to STO to begin with.

    In the grand scheme of things, people don't get enough benefits for a LTS, to be honest you shouldn't have to wait the time for the vet rewards you should get at least up to the 600 day off the bat considering your spending what, 600 days worth of gold subscription fees in the one shot.
    xcom43 wrote: »
    14$ a month ver's a life sub hmm i would rather save up for a life sub be cause for one you can unlock the Borg Officer two you get the 500 stipend per month and the date you bye your lifesub and three no more paying for the game other then the Z points.

    If you're thinking the Borg Species is what will make you spend $300, I'd say you'll be totally disappointed. I bought mine for the increased storage slots. Having the amount of characters I do it was worth doing that rather than buying the extra slots in the c-store. I often make new ones and delete old ones.

    The Borg was actually a bit of a let down. Pretty poor traits. Standard Human and Klingon are much better in terms of traits and the Borg only have a few unique customisation options, not wroth $300.

    I'm of the opinion that the Borg species should have either of the following:


    1. The base traits of the standard species (Leadership and team work for a Human and Honourable and Warrior for a Klingon) with a special Borg trait.
    2. Alternatively they should have the trait pool of the entire faction (minus a few race physical specific ones like seduction (Orion), mind meld (Vulcan) etc), showing they regained their knowledge from the collective and with no forced traits like the Alien species.
    3. Have the choice of what Liberate species you want to play, be it Vulcan, Orion, Lethean etc, all we superior traits to that of the standard species. You paid the money so I feel you should get something that is on par or better than the Joined Trill out of it.
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  • red01999red01999 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    You could do what I do - pay the sub on a monthly basis.

    This is cheaper in the short term, and while I personally believe the game will be around at least long enough to justify the cost of an LTS, I get something with the subscription - a voice. They already have a lot of your cash with an LTS. They get a steady stream of it with a sub. If I dislike something badly enough I can always close my wallet for a bit (or for good) and let them know /why/ I closed my wallet, and there's a chance that someone may notice if I write and complain about it.

    It also helps that I don't really care about the Liberated Borg character option, although that's just me.
  • bluegeekbluegeek Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    I would do it, if I got partial credit from my previous time as a full subscriber. I can't expect that they'd give me full credit for my 600+ days, but I really can't justify paying more than about $100 in one transaction.

    Right now it's way more cost-effective for me to pay for Zen and sub a month at a time when it makes sense to do that (for various reasons). I stay on budget, Cryptic still gets my money, and we're both reasonably happy with the arrangement.

    Now if they sweeten the pot for LTS at some point, that could change everything.
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