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Caitian Atrox Carrier turning question
possumlips
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Under ships status,movement, my Atrox carrier says turn rate 3.0 deg/sec. I got a RCS console for it level XI in rare that says +35% flight turn rate but the stats stay the same and i can't tell that it turns any shaper with it equiped.I was wondering what i did wrong? As you may know, its one of the worse ships for turning which is why i went with beams and turrets. Seems like i remember a warp theorist duty officer added to space duty will add a turn rate debuff but that was only if i used Tachyon beam and i might try that. thanks in advance....jesse
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turn rate+ or not i prefer armor it grand you long battles no armors = dead.
I have only 3 engineer slots and they have a tetraburnium hull XI in very rare,a diburnium hull plating XII in rare and a emergency force field mk XII in rare so yes, i hate to give one of them up to turn tighter.Maybe i better leave the turn rate as is.
Also, cannons do work for the Atrox. I use cannons and turrets on mine over beams.
Kyle
You can't get an accurate read on your turn rates unless your ship is flying at at least half impulse if not higher (varies depending on the efficiency rating of your impulse engines as well as your skills and doff assigments)
Generally the rule of thumb is the bigger the ship is the worse it turns, and the Atrox is a big damn ship.
You can use cannons and should learn the tactic of hitting reverse impulse to bring fore weapons to bare, since you will never be able to turn fast enough to lead a target circling you while in forward impulse.
Kyle
I see no advantage other than more DPS in a 45' arc
When you're turnrate is so low, how often does this happen during Fleet Events? If you're only dong STFs, not so as bad considering you mainly fight Borg structures. I see a DHC hurting the atrox in any other instance...
I mean its possible if you run mainly runabouts and tractor beams.. still tho..
Kyle
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yes please. i have been only doing missions and fighting the borg as i seem to be getting in the way on the fleet ones? i don't know what to shoot at or in what order and i can't type fast enough to ask people during the mission but have noticed a few chat remarks about doing it wrong.I still haven't figured out voice chat tho i have a mic headset. I can't really tell you my fighting style so anything that will help me stay alive longer i'll take under consideration. By the way i did add a purple gravimetric scientist to add aftershock to my gravity well 3 and tykens rift 3 tho only 1 DOFF can be used at a time.flight,tech,projectile weapons officers in purple or blue added also.I'm off to extend my energy credit to 1 billion as i think these upgrades are going to be expensive....thanks for the different opinions......jesse
make 1 turn in 5 min then make a shot and you talk about your great dps.
i hope i will see this show anytime.:D
and anyone told you you not only must have the enemy in righ position to a cannon also short range, or dmg not exist on any way?
seriously if you have no plan from the gamemechanics join a fleet ask the players to help you, and they will do it for free. xD
Yes on paper it can't turn, but give it end level engines and you can turn at about 8-9 without moving. With power I hit about 10-15 degrees per second.
This may take some time possumlips so give me a little bit.
Kyle
so you have the new tier 25/ MXIII space marine sub engine, so gogogo kill the bad boys.:D
I am a Tac Fed toon who uses the Atrox Carrier and it is my favorite ship and my main.
I use 3 Phaser DHCs up front. (I may go to Anti-proton but not sure yet.) 3 Phaser turrets in the back.
I have 2 Phaser relays for Tac consoles. 3 Armor consoles, Nuentionion is what I use. 2 Field genterators right now, not sure if I should get 1 more or have something else, and assm. console. (Don't have the Borg console yet because one of the missions is broken.)
BOFF, Tac: TT 1, CRF 1.
Eng: EP2W 1, RSP 1, AUX2SIF 2.
Sci: HE 1, TSS 1 TR 2.
Sci: HE 1, PH 2, TSS 3, GW 3. (May get rid of some of my heals, I have too many.)
DOFFs: Still working on this. Almost have 5 Hanger DOFFs of different types. Still trying stuff out here.
Hangers: 2 Pringine fighter wings. Best for DPS. If you just do PVE and STFs then get these. If not try out other wings.
3-peice Brog set and the MACO shield is what I like.
Can't think of anything else. Any other questions?
Kyle
Look, just because the Wiki says it is bad at turning does not mean it really is. If you don't believe me than try the ship out. And if you have then you didn't set it up right or you don't know how to use it.
Kyle
i have finally quit my fed account about this big piece of TRIBBLE called atrox what i have used ~2 weeks befor i start play KDF only:eek:
You left! So you don't know how it runs with the Atrox. I took mine out today. Did you? I know how it runs and what turning it gets. You have never used my ship.
Kyle
turns really well....in sector space hahaha, in normal space running at 1/4 impulse is good for turning IMO...or running in reverse.
Hope that solves the discussion once and for all?
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i quit fed about this big crapy ship i played it and rofled about it!!!!!
i want a great carrier play, i got answer if i will play real carrier i must go to kdf there is the karfi+ famous pets.;)
and i try it today out again for you and start to rofl about myself to try that.:D
Dude save your money. That is a turn rate reduction for what you hit with those tetryons.
Up your engine subsystem power and you will turn quite a bit faster. Still when I use carriers, which is not often, I throw turning right out the window. Adjusting your subsystem power is an exercise in trade offs and carriers seem to need more in just about everything. At least if you fly them as a cruiser/escort or science ship that is. Get used to switching your subsystem power as you need for the role you are fulling at the time. You can even set up four different presets and save them to help you in this regard.
Your best weapon is your fighters. Get used to using the fighter commands that come with the ship, If you do not see them in your powers try then hit the P key on your keyboard and assign them where you will use them. Wanna pump out more fighters faster? Max that auxiliary power. You don't need to turn as much when you use your fighters to turn for you anyways.
The BO skills "Auxiliary to Inertial Dampers," and "Emergency Power to Engines" would help you turn faster in short boosts just like the captain skill "Evasive Maneuvers" does, (well not exactly just like but still hella faster than without any BO or captain skill used). If your ship has room for it so does "Attack Pattern Omega." Engine choice is a good place to look for a turn buff too. Try for Combat impulse engines with a [Turn] modifier and that will help you get your nose around as well, while it gives a healthy boost you the subsystems you have set to low power.
Also get used to adjusting your speed. The ship has the same turn rate in motion no matter the speed. Need to do a hard tight turn? Drop your engine speed down. Want a broad sweeper? Keep the ship's speed up.
Yes, DHC have better DPS than beams.. no argument there.. I have 7 toons at 50.. two of which are in Carriers..
However because of the lack of turnrate your overall DPS is lower than that of a Beam Atrox.
Before season 6 my Kar'fi (Which has a better turnrate than an Atrox) ran 2x DHC 1 Quad 1 Torp forward and 2x Turrets 1 Torp Aft. This was great for STFs as most things were in that 45' arc.
With the addition of Fleet Events (No Win, Fleet Defense, etc) I've found a different setup works better overall. 1 Quad, 1 DBB, 1 Beam Array, 1 Torp forward and 2x Beam Arrays 1 Torp Aft. I run with Advanced Interceptors and Advanced Frigates as my pets. This lets me put out sustained damage at 360', rather than just supreme damage at only 45'.
Just my opinion, it's your game tho... as long as you're having fun.
I agree with this opinion. The carrier is tough and can take a good beating if you set up for the healing BO skills. That ability to loiter in the thick of it and beam everything allows a higher sustained DPS even at slightly lower weapons power settings than a carrier set up to try to be an escort but can't keep it's nose on target long enough to actually deal any good bust DPS.
A all beam array carrier with FAW and three special beam DOFFs would be more flexible than a four single cannon/four turret carrier.
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Kyle
STO Forum member since before February 2010.
STO Academy's excellent skill planner here: Link
I actually avoid success entirely. It doesn't get me what I want, and the consequences for failure are slim. -- markhawman
In my Carrier Captains, I generally use the Balanced power profile with heavy investment in Captain power skills (some mentioned above). I don't really focus on trying to do a lot of DPS with my ship, I focus on support of my pets and teammates any DPS I do is just supplemental. Now on my Tactical Captain in a Recluse Carrier, I do tending to focus on DPS from the ship, but I don't sacrifice movement to do so. I bounce between power settings a lot during missions. That captain have 6 ranks in Starship Electro-Plasma Systems and has an EPS Flow Regulator Engineering console to speed up power level transfers. And FYI, I do have RCS consoles in the carriers.
i sell turn consoles as soon as i get them. they are a total waste of space. i have tried a variety of set ups on my atrox and currently use all beams (disruptors) with one dual beam bank. works pretty well for me. i also recommend using danube runabouts. let them do the running around and work on keeping yourself strategically placed.