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No more lame consoles! Build it into the ship!
rodentmaster
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I see yet ANOTHER way overpriced $25 USD ship that makes the same mistake of having a special feature that is console-specific.
STOP WITH THE CONSOLES! Build it into the ship itself. Like the spinal lance on dreadnaught. Like the cloak on KDF ships. There aren't enough console slots to go around as it is. Stop making the dread, the deffy retro, use a valuable console slot for a cloaking device which is built into the very frame of the ship itself. The oddy/bortasqu crappy consoles I can understand as you were going for a pack type of cross-compatibility -- which BTW is not impressive and not worth the money -- but please stop making all these innate ship abilities be consoles.
If you're making a Regent class with a radiation cannister, build it into the ship. Don't make it a console. This ship is NOT the best end-game ship as it already stands. Trading one of the eng slots for a tac does not make it any more survivable. It's a cruiser, not an escort.
So many bad decisions lately, but I couldn't keep quiet about this one. Stop making special functions as consoles. You want to make a console make it freakin' univresal across ALL ships, like pulse generator or isometric charge. If you're making it a limited-ship console BUILD IT INTO THE SHIP ITSELF, but not as a console option.
STOP WITH THE CONSOLES! Build it into the ship itself. Like the spinal lance on dreadnaught. Like the cloak on KDF ships. There aren't enough console slots to go around as it is. Stop making the dread, the deffy retro, use a valuable console slot for a cloaking device which is built into the very frame of the ship itself. The oddy/bortasqu crappy consoles I can understand as you were going for a pack type of cross-compatibility -- which BTW is not impressive and not worth the money -- but please stop making all these innate ship abilities be consoles.
If you're making a Regent class with a radiation cannister, build it into the ship. Don't make it a console. This ship is NOT the best end-game ship as it already stands. Trading one of the eng slots for a tac does not make it any more survivable. It's a cruiser, not an escort.
So many bad decisions lately, but I couldn't keep quiet about this one. Stop making special functions as consoles. You want to make a console make it freakin' univresal across ALL ships, like pulse generator or isometric charge. If you're making it a limited-ship console BUILD IT INTO THE SHIP ITSELF, but not as a console option.
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The fleet version of this ship won't have the nifty console or the cool torp launcher.
They want you to buy the C-Store version now, so you'll put those modular toys on your fleet ship later.
If they didn't do it that way, they couldn't sell both the C-Store ship and the fleet module for the fleet ship.
I'm not saying I really like that plan, but nobody's twisting any arms to buy either one.
All in all, I like the idea behind the consoles. People have been bugging Cryptic to be able to customize and upgrade their ships for a long time. Consoles let you outfit the ship you want with the ability you want (mostly).
I like being able to move my Ionized Gas Sensor and my Impulse Capacitor and my Enhanced Plasma Manifold to whatever ship I want to fly today.
Okay, some stuff is really out there. I don't think Saucer Sep should be a console. But I can live with it.
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I suspect he meant build them in as special upgrades, not actual consoles. Such a change would be somewhat balance-changing, especially in favor of the Odyssey and Bortas'qu, but... they really should figure out a way to put gear on ships (and move it around as permitted) without impeding console min-maxers.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
Plus with Consoles slots everyone can slot the same amount - everyone has 9/10 Console slots - whereas different Ship Classes have different numbers of Device slots.
Yeah me too! Especially the Cloaking Device for the Federation Dreadnaught and the Defiant.
The different numbers of device slots drive me a little crazy. I keep the subspace modulator thing (can't remember its actual name) permanently equipped, and it leaves my escort with only one open device slot. Choosing which battery to equip is kind of a nightmare sometimes. PvPers always have the attacks you don't have the right battery for!
That way no one need to sacrifice their standard console slots unless they wish to equip more than one.
That would leave standard in game ships a bit in the dust, since they don't coem with a console.
Although those ships still having the slot could be an incentive to buy one, since I bet there are a lot of people like me out there who can not just let an empty slot be empty forever.
I've been pushing for a major overhaul of consoles to devices for a long time.
A lot of the consoles make far more sense as devices, and don't get me started on the cloaking DEVICE.
I feel this would actually increase their profits. For one, it would make these consoles more desirable because they would not take up valuable space from other consoles. This would lead to more people buying C-store ships for the console alone. It would also lead to more people buying C-store ships and fleet modules for the additional console slots. And finally, people would buy the additional Special Console slots so they don't have to waste one of the main slots for the special console. It's a win-win-win scenario for PWE.
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why do you dislike having options in outfitting your ship so much?
Also a console for the Dreadnaught laser would be awesome. I would buy it the second it went up.
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The Defiant.
Only a Single ship in the Defiant Class ever had a cloak, it was the one stationed at DS9 and the Cloak was on loan from the Romulans. If that doesn't describe a console than nothing does.
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Riker when made Admiral in alternative future chose the Enterprise D as his personal ship and had it upgraded, one of those upgrades was the Cloaking device. Since the standard Galaxy never had a Cloak I don't see how it could have been buit into the ship from the beginning.
The Federation doesn't cloak, the game breaks it's own internal logic by making ships that can use a Cloaking device at all. So perhaps you should simply be grateful you don't have to make a KDF toon just for the cloaking device.
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Nice idea.
If they were going to do this I would like it only for C-store ships and not Fleet Ships, that way they would have the same console slots as the Fleet Ships/Lock Box ships, bringing some more value of money back into C-store ships. Perhaps add two per ship to make up for the less hull etc. That way people have the choice, the fleet ships have the better stats, but the C-store ships have the two universal console slots, even if they are only restricted to special consoles and not tactical, science or engineering ones.
Remember Cryptic is a business and if they did that think of the amount of money they wouldn't get, that all 1000 Zen for bank slots would look cheap in comparison to what ship and console prices would be if they implemented such an idea like single console purchases.
I totally agree, I run the Defiant Retrofit and my wife runs the Dreadnaught and neither of us use the darn thing, Federation shouldn't have cloaking devices, and all those sprouting the Defiant and Galaxy-X on screen references simply don't get it, nor the concept of a one off. I don't need to go there as dknight has said it quite well for me.
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Exactly. Is a Regent worth $25 if you can get the wide-angle torp and metreon gas separately for, say, $5 each (average price of a ship skin pre-Season 6)?
Premium-priced items are premium-priced for a reason, and consoles are part of what makes buying ships worthwhile. When I bought a Sao Paolo I didn't just get a nifty Defiant skin, but a set of cool-looking cannons I can use on my Armitage. When I buy a Regent I'm getting a cool torpedo that I can also use on my Armitage when I get bored of flying a broadside-boat.
We simply don't know the math right now. In all likelihood Cryptic and PWE make more money selling a small amount of high-priced ships than a large amount of consoles. That's probably part of the reason why they folded ship skins into the Fleet Ship system, too.
Now, I don't want to give them ideas, but I imagine they might sell consoles...if they where per-character unlocks, like the EV suits. Do you really want that?
Beautiful idea. But I do think normal ships should have at least 1 SC slot if a C-Store ship has been purchased. Some people just buy that stuff to outfit later ships :P
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
Assume, for the sake of argument, that all ships and console slots are balanced against eachother. That would mean that if you remove a specical console from a ship, you'd have to remove the slot too. Adding the ability but keeping the extra slot would create an imblance, since the ship would effectively gain +1 slot.
If you rebalance the ship that way, then you'd have a ship with one of the console slots permanently reserved for your special power. So instead of choosing to bring it, you'd be forced to bring the special power.
A change to this system wouldn't make any difference, except that it would make it impossible for non-ship specific consoles to be used on other ships.
So what you're proposing is less player freedom, with exactly 0 changes to the ship's effectiveness. I'd vote against that.
I think the current system forces you to think about your choices when you build a ship. It makes you weigh the options, consider alternatives. It makes the game challenging. Where would the fun be if you could load your ship with everything you could ever think of? The game would become boring and stale as every single person would have every console on board. This would also give a decisive advantage to those who ave bought all C-Store ships.
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So, something that is included in your power tray, but doesn't take up a console slot.
I understand where you're coming from.
The problem is that doesn't seem to fit with Cryptic's direction.
Say they built the metreon gas thing into the Regent as a feature of the C-Store ship...
Now what happens when players want a Fleet version of the Regent?
Either the Fleet version doesn't get that ability, or it's built in from the start.
If it's built in from the start, that's great for people who just get the Fleet version, not so great for the people who paid for the C-Store version.
This way, people who want the +1 C-Store ability can get it, and they can get the Fleet version of the same ship at a discount later on.
Yes, it does boost the cost involved of getting a Fleet version and I can't say I like that. But the alternative is people grinding to get a better, more feature-complete ship than the one being sold in the C-Store.
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