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Defiant class, DHCs and turrets atm, all phasers. I've heard to go with either the Prefire Chamber or the Phaser Relay on many occasions, and I'm always told that X is better than Y on any given occasion. Anyone have any feed back? Currently I'm running Prefire Chambers.
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If you want to check just buy one of each with exploration badges (or exchange for cheap white) and swap them out in space and hover your mouse over your cannon on the weapons bar.
Prefire Chambers will only effect DHC's, and turrets. Whether they are disruptors, Polaron, Phaser, or any other type of weapon.
Phaser Relay will only effect phaser weapons that you have. Beams, DBB's, Cannons, & turrets.
It doesn't really matter which one you have because they both will give you +26, and they both will have diminishing returns. That is the reason why I ran a quantum up front with one quantum chamber console when I fly my Defiant-R. Hope this helps.
if you run different kinds of weapons but all with the same energy type, you use consoles that boost that energy type, for example phase relays.
If you run all the same kind of weapon with different energy types, use consoles that boost those weapon types, beams or cannons.
If you run a mix of weapon types and energy types, you are screwed
If you run one weapon type with one energy type, it doesn't matters which of the two choices you use, or if you mix them. The end result will be the same.
I stand corrected, thanks
But that is what I would do, it works great. Your 3 DHC will strip their shields, then your quantums will take care of their hull. I would go with CRF 3, THY 3, and APO 1.
They stack without diminishing results. Kthxbye
So This:
4x Quantum Console
3x DHC + 1 Quantum + 3 turrets
= less beneficial
Then:
4x Prefire chamber (Or whatever_
3x DHC + 1 Quantum + 3 turrets
(For an escort i.e.)
Its not that you get more buff for the quantum because it doesnt cover any of your energy weapons. If you would put 7 Quantums on your escort they all would get the same damage buff per weapon as if you would have 1 quantum on it. Thats why its best to cover as much of your weapons as possible.
Another example; If you would be using 4x Prefires with a full DHC 4x + 3x turrets on the aft, the other weapons will not get an extra damage buff when you would say, remove 1 DHC, or remove 2 DHC's, the damage buff is not being shared over the other remaining weapons. Thats why full coverage = most benefit.
It would ofcourse be much better if we would have a system that could actually buff 1 weapontype more then the other, like I use 3x DHC + 3 Turrets and a Dual beam bank, so that i could actually put 4x Beam Consoles on my ship so that all the benefit would go to that single weapon only. Unfortunately thats not how it works
No, they are both +26, just stick with Prefire Chambers.
DHCs and Turrets atm, Phasers.
You can go for both 4x Prefires or 4x Phaser relays. The dmg difference doesnt matter.
The only thing you can consider is that if you would later choose to go with, lets say, 3x DHC and a DBB, and 3 turrets, all phaser, if you would have phaser relays, you wouldnt have to change to phaser relays.
If you later would decide to go for 4x DHC + 3 turrets but as a disruptor energy type, you could stay with your Prefires. thats how it works.
Thanks for the feed back guys. It's greatly appreciated
That isn't really true. Strictly speaking no console has diminishing returns. If it says it gives +20, it gives +20, whether its the first console of its type or the fourth. The only issue comes in certain after the fact calculations that makes it seem like you aren't getting the full effect, and as far as I know this only applies to armor consoles. But even for armor, you still get the full value of each console added into the equation.
Yeah, energy specific consoles such as Phaser Relays are better than Prefire Chambers. It's fairly obvious looking at the percentages, so fill your Tac console spaces with Phaser Relays. That's why rainbow ships are considered a sign of noobishness (other than on a Torpedo built that just uses a couple of beams and all its consoles boost the torp damage), they're giving away damage for no reason other than to have pretty colours.
I can't remember the evolution of weaponry in this game exactly, (probably because I took a break from STO around the time of this thread) but I believe at the time these posts were made, the Prefire Consoles had the same boost as energy-specific consoles, but it was offset by the fact that the skill tree had energy specific skills, which aren't there anymore. You'd have to spec in to phasers or disruptors or whatever. So it was still best practice to use one energy type.
Rainbowing/Skittling has always been a sub-optimal option in this game.
Anything that stacks additively has "diminishing returns", no matter what: you gain less going from 200 to 215 (7.5% increase) than from 100 to 115 (15% increase), even though it's always +15.
Just stop. Diminishing returns has a specific meaning and that's not it. I do realize you meant to type 15% and not just +15 in your second example.
The actual output of the consoles doesn't decrease so there are no diminishing returns built into the calculations. They return the same value each time. Get it? Not diminished. Equal. The same.
If the first console gave an output of x, and the second console gave x-1, you would have diminishing returns.
And putting it in quotation marks doesn't change anything. It is still incorrect.
Why did you ressurect this thread?
There is a rule against ressurecting a thread older than 30 days... for some reason.
Rainbow boats don't do as much DPS as a boat with one Energy type and the corresponding consoles.
If I ask you a question it is not an insult but a genuine attempt to understand why.
When I insult you I won't be discreet about it, I will be precise and to the point stupid.
I think what he meant to say is that, compared to the previous amount of damage you did, the percentile change is less. An example:
Say you deal 100 damage. You add a console that lets you deal +10 damage. That means you now deal 110 damage, which is 10% more than you did before you added that console.
If you now add a second console, that will add another +10 to your damage, making it 120 damage. However, compared to 110 damage previously, suddenly you're not adding +10% to your damage, but rather +9.1%.
The idea behind this is that because each console adds a fixed amount, rather than multiplying the previous amount, your damage is increased with a smaller percentage of the amount you had before. I think it stems from World of ********, where players upgrade single pieces of equipment rather than all at once, and dps increases are often measured in % boosts.
It is a form of diminishing returns, but mostly due to the way of looking at it. I totally agree with you that you don't get an additional penalty for adding more consoles.
What she meant to do was clarify that the "diminishing returns" that were talked about in the thread are simply a natural function of absolute increases resulting in lesser relative increases when the base value is higher and that, as a result, it's not exactly restricted to one kind of stat over the others.
Why Thissler got so arrogant and aggressive in reaction, I do not know nor do I care to learn.