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On the Sovereign Refit design:
atrus19
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Why? Whyyyyy does Cryptic have such an obsession with forward swept nacelle pylons? Why? Seriously Cryptic, stop it. Most canon Starfleet ships either have straight up or down or out pylons or backward swept pylons, they really don't do much of the forward sweeping stuff, yet you made the akira into the armitage, you made the Imperial class assault cruiser skin, there's a star cruiser skin with forward swept pylons, there's an advanced escort skin with forward sweeping pylons, and now there's this...A refit of something shouldn't look COMPLETELY different from that thing. I.E., changing the backward sweeping nacelle pylons on the akira and sovereign into forward swept pylons on the armitage and regent respectively is a complete change of the look of the ship, it is not, as you say, keeping to the fundamentals of the sovereign.
What I would have liked to see, and this is just my opinion, is exactly what you have, with upward thrusting straight pylons, remeniscent of the Connie, but mirrored from what they are now, sweeping backwards.
TL;DR: Forward sweeping pylons, ftl!
What I would have liked to see, and this is just my opinion, is exactly what you have, with upward thrusting straight pylons, remeniscent of the Connie, but mirrored from what they are now, sweeping backwards.
TL;DR: Forward sweeping pylons, ftl!
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Stop nitpicking. Don't like it, don't use the design. You can still get the same ship with the sovereign skin. I'm personally going to use the imperial skin, I love the way it looks.
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The Sovvy and Connie 2409 skins are best, IMHO.
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It makes them go faster, didnt you know? :P
I have to admit I really like the new designs and you can no doubt switch skins on the new ship just as you can with the Armitage, etc.
Now all we need to do is add more red stripes to make the ship go fastererer.:)
Anyway sometimes they're swept forward (even if only slightly like on the Galaxy and the Intrepid) sometimes they're not...sometimes someone likes a style and sometimes not.
That's what's so great about the customization thing:
If you don't like a part just use another that suits you more.
I think it's interesting to see a Sovy with Prometheus-style pylons even though I actually don't fly an Assault cruiser.
When we design refits, generally we want the options available to expand. Another set of rear swept pylons wouldn't be terribly interesting. The current sovereign pylons work quite well with the rest of the Regent. So, if that is your preference for pylon shape, it is still available in that format.
In the end, more options to satisfy more tastes.
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This is technically only true if the Material 6 is made available to all ship parts, which in so far it hasn't for any class of ship. The only ship that can mix and mach parts right now and use Material 6 is the Akira if the person just uses Thunderchild and Armitage class parts. So unless the material is available, or the person doesn't want to use Material 6, they are in a way forced to use the forward swept pylons to use the 2409 style material.
Have you guys not thought about selling costume pieces for ships at an individual level? Such as a nacelle type that can fit multiple classes, or alternative mission pods or pylon angles?
I dont buy ships that often but I would buy smaller costume pieces.
Here is to hoping they let you do the same kind of work on the KDF side. I have nothing really against anything except they only have you doing one faction with ships
But can we get that oh so lovely type 6 hull material to work still? I would actually love to see the type 6 material useable on every ship in game!
The SCOE has found that warp efficiency can be increased by locating the nacelles below the saucer, and tucked in closer to the engineering hull, like on the Intrepid, and Galaxy classes.
Or you can just put backswept pylons on in the shipyard.
First off, Cryptic phased out selling ship skins. Sucks, I know, but here's the rationale, and it applies to selling special ability consoles separately as well (Note that Saucer Separation is not a console, but a built-in ability, like the Gal-X's Phaser Lance, so you couldn't buy it even if you wanted to).
Plainly put, F2P games, or at least the variety STO belongs to (Champions Online is different, but that's another story), has a better incentive to "keep stuff premium" than it has to split everything up just to attract cheapskates (no offense).
Why? Microtransaction-driven games -some of them at least- tend to make a lot more money from high-spending players (casinos call them "whales") than from a lot of smaller transactions. Not enough to rely solely on them, to be sure (just as slots make most of a casino's money vs. the high-rollers), but the amount of money made per-whale is HUGE compared to your average silver. I don't know the numbers for STO, but a Farmville "whale" will spend thousands of times more than the lowest-end transaction a free-player might make.
I'd argue that the time or money Cryptic spends to create a new 2500z ship - art assets, balance considerations, CBS licensing/approval, etc. - is paid for several times over when the whales who want it shell out. Especially for a popular or demanded design, like the Regent is right now.
Compare this to the potential cost-to-profit analysis for selling consoles separately (let's say, for 500z apiece), or opening up special ability consoles to low-tier players. The cost of figuring out balance (yes, they probably still do care about balance in some small way) alone might not be worth it. It also devalues the appeal of premium ships (without the Nadeon Detonator the Bellerophon is barely more than a new Intrepid skin) Better to keep the consoles a comparatively rare thing that the whales get to use on each other and themselves. And seeing a pretty ship with cool abilities makes free players jealous (some of them).
Here's an anecdote: As a lifetime player I get 500z a month from them. After a long break, I looked at my stuff and realized I never spent my 600-day veteran reward, which is a VA ship token. I bought a Defiant retrofit. I could have been happy and enjoyed my new Deffy without paying a cent. The money I spent buying lifetime had already paid for itself 6 months ago. And yet I coughed up $20 because I saw the Sao Paulo skin and wanted its Quad Cannons. Call me a whale if you like, but that's the power of a premium ship.
This is also the reason why they stopped selling ship skins and folded skins into the fleet ships, or into new C-store modules. Premium ships got MORE premium. And suckers will pay if the appeal is right.
I won't argue price with you. 2500z is way too much. 2000z should be the upper limit for C-store ships (makes it easier to charge zen), but premium will stay that way in STO.
That said, the model doesn't always work for every game. Compare to Champions Online, where buying small costume pieces one by one is a better proposition than selling expensive sets. For their custom heroes most folks only need single bits or pieces, and with the way the game works costume pieces are entirely cosmetic, unlike new ships or consoles.
Rant over. TL;DR Cryptic makes more money selling ships than skins. DEAL WITH IT :cool:
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Sorry I complain so much, but so what I want isn't really available on the variants you mention. I think the classic sovvie is the closest I will get, straight up and back , and not curved like, say the odyssey pylons (curved pylons are really hard to build and really structurally unsound, why would starfleet make more of them? anyway...) But I want them more up than they are... what I really want is what you have on the regent, but reversed, mirrored, etc. So a lot like the connie refit pylons I guess? I like it when ships harken back to that sleek simple straight-line design, rather than the more complicated/elegant TNG era designs....I would buy just that pylon part if you made it...and wouldn't it be so easy to make? Seriously, mod my client, I'll pay you directly........
Edit: Agh, looking now it looks like the current regent pylons ARE curved, I missed that on the first pass of the pictures. Eh, give me the Imperial pylons then, but mirrored!
Edit2: And for the guy with the Armitage...you can get the type 6 skin back on it by clicking on the armitage option in the far left list...I believe. What we really need for type 6 is to be able to use it across ALL ship variants once we have unlocked it on a ship variant related to those. (i.e. you bought the armitage, you can use it on the akira classic skin, or you bought the venture, you can use it on the galaxy classic skin).
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I find your forward swept pylons awesome. It's like NASA's X-29 tech demonstrator
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Uh, the Constitution went from perfectly straight pylons to swept back and replaced most of the structure of of the main hull and neck, and it's the first refit seen in any Star Trek material ever. So... Yeah.
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And if anything, the "fundamentals" of most Feddie ship design is the "nacelles, pylons, saucer, hull" quardifecta. Everything else is flavor.
As long as the other Sovereign variants are still available, i don't see a problem.
Personally i find pylons with holes much worse than forward or backward facing pylons.
Are there any pictures of it?
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The saucer shape and design did not change drastically, the hull shape and design did not change drastically, the nacelles were the same length, and went from round to sort of trapezoidal, again, not really that drastic of a change (as opposed to, say, the armitage nacelles versus the Akira nacelles). Finally, the pylons. They do get swept back instead of straight up, but I would argue that they stay straight (as in, not curved), and at basically the same angle, and going from straight up and down to swept back when they are that far UP rather than back, is not that much of a change compared to the extreme swept back nature of the sovvie versus the forward swept regent.
But, as jamjam said, their intent is to give extreme variety. I just think it shouldn't be called a Refit then.
Edit: Oh...also..."Chicken in a pan." I think if TV producers came to the conclusion that it was a bad design, unless you have figured out a way to cure that problem, you shouldn't just go back and use rejected designs.
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