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seventhpawn
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Hey all!
Been looking around and didn't see much talk about the Recluse and possible loadouts that people might have used to good effect. My captain is a Sci, and I mainly do PvE, so I was sitting on 4 beam arrays now, the torp that it comes with, and a quantum in the back. Have most of the fun consoles sitting in it, and I threw in a tac officer in the universal slot.
Hope that people can share some of their loadouts to good effect. Who knows, maybe this will start something around here for the Recluse Carriers. Catch everyone later.
Been looking around and didn't see much talk about the Recluse and possible loadouts that people might have used to good effect. My captain is a Sci, and I mainly do PvE, so I was sitting on 4 beam arrays now, the torp that it comes with, and a quantum in the back. Have most of the fun consoles sitting in it, and I threw in a tac officer in the universal slot.
Hope that people can share some of their loadouts to good effect. Who knows, maybe this will start something around here for the Recluse Carriers. Catch everyone later.
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Tactical team 1
Beam overload 2
Fire at will 3
Attack pattern beta 3
LtC science
Jam sensors 1
Hazard emitters 2 or TSS2
Gravity well 1
LtC engineering
EPtW1
RSP1
Aux to Battery 2 or Aux2SIF
Ensign science
Science team 1
Ensign tactical
Torpedo spread 1
5X polarized tetryon arrays
Omega set
Red matter capacitor
Sub space modulator
Etc.
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Always depends on which role you want to play on the battlefield.
Using a Tac Commander means doing more weapondamage. This looks good for you, but might hurt your group.
Using a Sci Commander gives you more Utilities and Heals.
Having 2 Gravity Wells/Tyken's on a Group of enemies can be very entertaining and is superduper for Torpedoboats, which work best with tight groups of shieldless "things".
Using a Eng Commander gives you the available slots for EPTS/EPTW-cylcing, while using a strong ship for tanking (only downside is you need to invest on Threat Control to make it work).
It is one of the things I like about the Tholian BOFFlayout, you have a very strong station to switch frealy, which alters your skillset in a way, that it changes your gameplay by more than a bit (on the fly).
Currently working on a Tac Alien for a Orb Weaver, to use this advantage on the battlefield. Haven't decided about traits yet, though.
So far this is one of the BOFFlayouts I consider using (for Blockade in specific):click
Ignoring the Universal Slot, it basically gives me the "basics" I always want, with having the Universal Slot switched by needs. it should be easily adaptable for a Recluse.
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Right now I am running the Recluse like this
Comm Univ - Tac - Torp Spread, Torp Spread, AP - Beta (Because I can't find anyone yet to do Fire At will 3), AP - O 3
Ens Tac - Fire At Will
LT Comm Eng - EPTS, EPTS, Emerg Power SIF
LT Comm Sci - Sci Team, Transfer Shield, GW
Ens Sci - Polaraize Hull
Weapons
Consoles
Like that it is okay with the GW and it lines eveything up in a tight little ball for a Torp Spread of doom. Takes a bit to get through the shields on that setup, and it seems to TRIBBLE off groups of baddies. With the Tholian fighters, they hurt on a normal basis but as soon as I get the disruptor debuff on they wreck stuff. Then I throw on the Tholian Grid and things explode. Seems to do well as a DPS machine in PvE. Don't know if it can be tweeked better or differently to handle the task.
Gravity well 3
Tractor beam repulsors
Hazard emitters 2
Science team 1
Photonic shock wave 1
Transfer shield strength 2
Jam sensors 1
Eject warp plasma 1
RSP1
Emergency to shields 1
Science team 1
Tactical team 1
Borg set
Vent Theta radiation console
jump console
Borg console
RCS turn accelerator
1 particle damage enhancer
1x graviton generator
Antimatter spread console
Shield % increase console
2x energy weapons consoles (or leave the universals here for an extra particle and graviton console)
Run 55-55-25-95
Whatever way the wind blows, I highly recommend;
Jump Console. Helps the Recluse stay pointed at the target, avoid some damage and maintain control superiority.
56,000 HP hull, focus on shields instead of healing. Even if a side goes down you will survive for a while. Always have something to heal, but don't give up on shields if there's a sacrifice. Avoid aux to SIF, use hazard emitters for NPC's survival.
Use tetryon weapons if you run with the on board widow fighters. Tetryon glider from the omega set works wonderfully.
Bottom line is in PVE you are up against lots of strong opponents, 10+ enemy ships with 150k hull apiece. Whereas in PvP I would run a full shutdown/VM science build, in PvE you face much higher shields and hull. The commander tactical really goes far. GW1 is about the only useful science skill I've found to work in PVE lately, I've tried everything, tachyon beam, photonic shock wave, scramble sensors, and I've found that only gravity well is 100% reliable as you get chain reactions. If you are running STFs, or fleet events, use the tactical commander and his debuffs to escalate the DPS. More often than not in PVE you win if things die quick, but crowd control and healing won't match the enemies DPS. You've got to knock them down...
EDIT
fighters are funny. When they attack a target they just circle it and shoot. Not so hot for effective, concentrated fire. To maximize their damage, constantly replenish them. Reason is, once out from launch bays the fighters immediately start firing at the target and launch their torpedoes. That means 6 more beams and 6 more torpedoes are hitting the shield face that's closest to you, instead of just randomly flying around. Helps damage spikes.
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I have tried numerous combinations of BOF Skills and weapon loadouts with the Recluse on my TAC captain and settled on the following build for STF's and FE's:
Comm Univ - Tac - TT1, CSV1, CRF2, APB3
Ens Tac - TS1
LT Comm Eng - EPTS1, RSP1, EPTS3
LT Comm Sci - HE1, FBP1, GW1
Ens Sci - TB1
Weapons
Front - 2 Cannons (Phased Tet - MK XII acc x2), Quantum Torp (MK XII borg)
Aft - 3 Turrets (Phased Tet - Mk XI acc crth)
Consoles
Eng - Neutronium, Tholian Grid, Borg Console, Subspace Jump
Sci - Field Generator x2, Particle Generator x2
Tac - Tetryon consoles x2
This is actually what I would run if I had the phased tet turrets. (somehow my 24 boxes of weapons have only two turrets- and my $170 didn't even net an orb weaver-anyone have an extra, gimme!
I would replace epts 1 and 3 with eptw1 and aux to battery1
And replace HE1 and FBP with PolHull1 and TSS2
I actually have several BOF's that I switch out depending on the specific STF / FE, but the ones I listed work as a good all around setup when I get lazy
I had fairly good luck with the phased tetryon packs that I bought and got the rest of the weapons straight up on the exchange when the prices were low. (6 BA's, 2 DBB's, 6 Turrets and 3 cannons) just so I could try all combo's on my Recluse and Weaver
I haven't used my 6 MK XII acc x2 Beam arrays yet as I was hoping they would be account bound after the patch today but they show as character bind on equip
BOFF powers:
CMDR ENG: EPtW1, EPtS2, ET3, Aux2Sif 3
LTC ENG: EPtW1, EPtS2, ES2
LTC SCI: Haz EM 1, TBR 1 , GW 2
LT SCI: TSS 1
ENSG TAC: FAW 1
Ship Gear:
3 part Borg, Maco MK XII shields
Weapons: working towards 6 phased tetryon beam arrays mk XII acc x2
Eng consoles: Ablative Hull armor, Electroceramic Plating, Monatonium alloy, (Currently empty)
Science Consoles: 2x Field Generators, Borg, Tholian Console
Tacical Consoles: 2x Tetryon
Hanger: Widows, (perhaps not the best but i love their little blue beams)
Doffs:
Energy Weapons Officer
Tholian Warfare SPecialist: borg
warp core engineer
Technician
Gravimetric scientist
Lucky. In using polarized tetryon arrays, I find the 10% proc increase up from 2.5% a better advantage. You want some phased tetryon dual cannons, I've got like 10 of em.
Aux to Battery, with Technician Boff helps skill resets amazingly. I run that and Eject warp plasma as interchangeable.
Damage= commander tactical.
Without swapping much I would trade FAW1 for TacTeam1, run Aux to Battery, ditch the engineering armor consoles, and put 2X particle generators in with the gravity generators. You may want the shield cap console in science though...add a dual beam bank up front, that will increase front DPS, and limit arrays to 5, remember the fifth array is firing at -40 weapons energy, -45 with the EPS regulator.
Are you running...nadion inversion? The engineering skill which does increased DMG through shields?
Commander Tactical=Not a Tank ^_^
Nadion inversion reduces the power drain of a power, I think you are talking about DEM (Directed Energy Modulation) I am not currently running, though I am seriously considering it. Perhaps by making my build a bit more selfish by dropping extend shields.
While Engineers certainly get a suite of exceptional survivability tools, in space "tanking" is heavily decided by your ship.
In the same vein the amount of damage, particularly burst damage, you will be capable of will also be heavily decided by your ship.
All of that being said, a Tac brings huge damage potential to every ship type just as an Engineer brings survivability to every ship type.
Finally, while an Eng in a cruiser will certainly be much more survivable - a Tac in a Cruiser can basically tank nearly everything this game's PvE environment has to offer.
The things it can't are generally things that tend to one-shot some all cruisers - like the infamous borg torpedoes.
Now, with all of that in mind a "tank" needs NPC ships to shoot at it, if you actually intend to be a tank - a Tac in Cruiser with 6 ranks of threat will consistently out threat an Eng in the same Cruiser with 9 ranks of threat.
Where does that leave the Engineer?
Well, the Engineer has what I like to consider 'survivability to spare' - meaning that while they are tanking they can also afford to toss out quite a large portion of their heals to other ships.
The tac can tank just fine, but tends to be unable to share those resources.
the comment is not about Tactical Captains tanking, it was about using the commander universal boff slot. In which case the 4 tac powers over 4 engi powers would be a massive DPS increase, but with a huge loss of tanking ability.
Several possibilities : Photonic shockwave, tractor beam repulsors (the level III is epic), tractor beams, one or two transfer shield strengh, a gravity well (you don't want to put this at level III tough, it's just a control ability, not a dps one), maybe a tykens rift I or II...
For your LtCmdr engineer, two EPTS are recommanded. If you want more turnrate, you can add an aux to dampeners I, if you want more survivability, a reverse shield polarity I is fine too. I choose the turnrate. You'll need more.
Consoles? Just no RCS one, it's a waste of credits there. There is no difference. Take whatever console you want, accordingly to your science choices and put every universal console you want in the eng slots.
God, lvl 60 CW. 17k.
Wheras theres a better ship for almost any reason, the Recluse's highest potential is in bringing control and snare options or heavy healing to the field; it's a team player ship, not a solo boat. While soloboats are in fashion, and I do have one, I find the Recluse just as capable in any STF or Fleet Action, on any difficulty. In PvP you can run a full science VM3 shutdown build, and still have a spare LtC engineering skill. You can put cannons on it, you can have almost double the hull of an escort, it turns faster than the other ships in its class. If you put 3DHC's and 3turrets damage approaches escort level.
In my soloboat there's been plenty a time where I was whacked by a Borg crit with all hands lost, in the recluse, same Borg crit I can walk away with 15k hull while healing and maintain debuff support. Even with a tactical commander this ship survives far longer than any of my others.