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The Assault Cruiser is by far my favorite looking ship. I play it sometimes even though it sucks. Please revamp the Assault Cruiser, maybe give it the same officer stations as the Ugly slow Odyssey cruiser without the extra separation stuff. Don't TRIBBLE up its maneuverability either. Leave it as is with maybe better hull and shields, more Officer stations and a universal station and put it up there with the big boys. I would love to fly in that ship all the time! It is the meanest looking ship the Feds have! Can't believe you have just let it sit as a poor excuse for a cruiser. Put it in the new fleet ships or something or even give us a quest to get the better ship (like you should be doing with the lockbox ships instead of trying to **** anyone that wants one).
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What would be the point if its just a copy of the Odyssey minus some special consoles? All that would do is TRIBBLE off people who already purchased the Odyssey.
i'm 100% sure there will be a sovy refit in z-store soon...and the fleet version in fleet shipyards
sovy now is T5...endgame, has as many BOFF powers as the oddy, only 1 console less, but so do all other t5 ships right now.
Not my opinion, but a dev statement (simplified by me)... Look through one of the last episodes of STOked for confirmation.
The Fleet Sovereign was pulled, I don't know why but I certainly didn't want to fly it.
@ armax, The Sovereign is one of the best Cruisers in this game I don't see why it needs any changes, does it need a Fleet Version? Well yes I think it does. But the current base model is on par with any other T5 ship in the game. The thing is it's a Cruiser not an Escort and should be treated as such.
I think half the reason we currently have the Fleet Heavy Cruiser was so they could make a more tac focused Fleet Assault, honestly I think they did it backwards. The Fleet Assault should just be like the Fleet Star Cruiser, the same ship you know and love with just a bit more everything. The Fleet Heavy Cruiser should be more Tac Orientated with a higher turn and less hull.
With the Odyssey filling the role as the adaptable Universal Cruiser.
If I ask you a question it is not an insult but a genuine attempt to understand why.
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Yes the Sov is on par with other T5s but unless you are flying an escort u better not step in an Elite STF or Fleet Action for that matter in a T5. Timers have killed T5 cruisers and Sci vessels. I want the Sov revamped so I can play it End Game. I love that ship!
I fly a Sovereign built to tank, I have not failed an Elite STF optional in months. Bringing it home with time to spare. The trick is not to join a random PUG but to take four other people who know how to play and won't do stupid things.
If I ask you a question it is not an insult but a genuine attempt to understand why.
When I insult you I won't be discreet about it, I will be precise and to the point stupid.
With an escellent team yes, Sov is fine...not really the point though.
If they are not doing it they really need to come out with an End Game Sov. One on par with all other end game ships. Hell I would be happy with 1 extra tac station with 2 slots. Now it would be an assault cruiser!
Not an Excellent team, I wouldn't describe myself as excellent nor is my build the cutting edge of perfection. Just when everyone knows what they need to do and how to execute the plan next to no communication is needed and it goes without a hitch.
What do you mean an extra Tac Station? Are you asking for a 6th BOFF? Because I don't see any ship going over the 12 standard BOFF abilities every ship but the BoP has at T5.
If I ask you a question it is not an insult but a genuine attempt to understand why.
When I insult you I won't be discreet about it, I will be precise and to the point stupid.
They can lower our engineer skills or something. Not saying we have to go over 12 BoFF abilities. The assault cruiser just needs more assault to it. It would also no longer be a T5 ship, I want it over the T5 ship like all these other refits or new ships. I was looking for it to be an End Game ship up there with the other End game ships. I don't care if it is a fleet ship or a store bought ship (just don't put it in those damn boxes). Just want an End Game Sov ship.
Very nice as long as they keep it a Sov and not something pretty much new. That includes being able to use the Sov visual mod which makes it one freaky tough looking ship. This looks like a new class all together. We'll have to see what they do with it. Nice looking ship though.
it may have the same stats as the T5 version or the new stats as seen in my post on page one...and it certainly is interchangeable with the t5 parts.
Actually if you build it right, the Sovereign can be a force to be reckoned with. I believe as far as cruisers go, it has the best balance of firepower, and tanking, and manuverability if built properly. I've succeed most of the time in STFs even with PUGs and get 1st place in fleet actions majority of the time. Any ship can be made to succeed if play up its strengths and play down its weaknesses.
But I have to agree, it would be nice if it gets even a slight tactical boost, either through boff layout or special console/ability.
Now that we know the refit is coming very soon, I really hope Cryptic does it right and give us Sovereign flyers the ship we've hoped for. Perhaps a boff layout like this:
Com ENG
LtCom ENG
LtCom TAC
Lt Sci
This layout gives us the tactical boost without compromising its tanking power.
LTC Tac
LT Tac
CMD Eng
LT Universal
This just screams to me that it can dish out better punishment and in return can still tank with the big boys. Just slot that LT universal as sci for your HE1 and TS2, and you're golden.
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As I said in previous posts, its tanking ability has been severely nerfed as it went from Com ENG and LtCom ENG to Com ENG and ENS ENG. Yes, you have a Lt Universal to use as a ENG slot but then you will have no SCI abilities to clear debuffs or helping in tanking. If you compare it with other tier 5 cruisers, it is actually has the weakest tanking potential.
Yes...it has lots of TAC but what is the point of all the extra TAC if can't tank the damage as before. The problem with the layout is that despite the extra TAC abilities, a cruiser is nothing if it cannot tank. The main reason for this is the poor turn rate and speed of cruisers in general. This means lower defense and as a result an easy target. At least escorts can avoid enemy fire better with its high defense due to its higher speed and maneuverability.
The boff layout above will only work if they increased the speed and turn rate of the sovereign. Otherwise you are going to be a sitting duck wiht a big sign saying "Hit me".
Another thing is even with the extra tactical abilities, it will never produce the DPS of an escort as it cannot equip dual or dual heavy cannons. Sure on paper the extra TAC layout looks awesome but in practice I don't think it'll last long in a mass battle (fleet action). With the extra TAC, you will certainly do more damage drawing more aggro, leading to more enemies attacking you. But you will not have the tanking abilities to survive the increased aggro.
As a compromise, I ok with this layout:
Com ENG
Lt ENG
LtCom TAC
ENS TAC
Lt Universal.
This layout is not as drastic as the layout above.
Lt.cmd
Cmd.
Ens.
Lt.
Lt.
Much better. Using eng in the universal would mimic Excelsior, while using either sci or tac would create more choices for loadout.
You actually do not need so many tactical abilities for a beam-boat, and trust me, with 7 turn rate it is a beam boat.
I'm of similar optimism, not looking to Fleet ships this is what I hope for/expect:
Com Eng (typical of cruisers)
LtC Tac (the only Fed cruiser to see this as pure tactical LtC. has been the Excelsior Retrofit)
Lt Uni
Lt Sci (every fed cruiser going back to Tier 2/Commander level has this slot... fleet ships might be different though)
Ens Eng (really there to make it cruisery, but I would love to see this be Uni)
Folks posting 4 BOFF layouts need to realize that so far the only ships to get that have been BoPs and Carriers (at endgme.)
Actually I like this arrangement. However, if you put an ENG in the Lt Universal slot, you have exactly the same boff layout as the Excelsior retrofit but minus the better turn rate of the excelsior. Of course you can stick another TAC there but tanking will suffer.
Ideally, as I mentioned before I'd like the 2 LtCom stations:
Com ENG
LtCom ENG
LtCom TAC
Lt Sci
You lose no tanking ability but gain the LtCom TAC. This layout is different then what is current out there.
Using 1 scatter volley and 1 torp spread lets me do probe duty with no problem in KASE so doesn't slow my team down at all. Also they can fly near me while I'm on probe duty for heals. Much easier to hold aggro usings cannon then beams too.
so glad to know that W0W Elitist attitudes have found a home on STO
As I mentioned, the issue with that layout is ONLY BoPs and Carriers have been given a 4 BOFF layout so far. Granted, new ship means potentially breaking this mold- but I'm very skeptical that they will do that.
I think the Devs' greatest challenge with this ship is making it not feel like a light-Ody. It has to be feel different enough from the Ody to be worth a purchase. Something about it, besides it being closer to a movie enterprise than the Ody, has to pull in a potential customer over buying an Ody or the Ody pack.