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Good Job on Tomorrows patch

brokenmirror2012brokenmirror2012 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
edited August 2012 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
Thank you very much cryptic. Keep up the great work. TAILOR FIX+NO MINE REVAMP

This shows Cryptic has:

1. Developed the ability to prioritize what people want.
2. Realized don't release Overpowered content that isnt ballanced in any way.
3. LISTENED TO PLAYERS!

Mine revamp was terrible. if it went live, it just shows cryptic didnt listen to any feedback from pvpers. Mine revamp would have had no effect on pve at all, and killed whats left of pvp.

Good Job on NOT letting this make it to live. I now haz moar hope that cryptic wont kill STO afterall.
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  • mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Forgive my non-PvPing ignorance, but...what do you mean by a 'mine revamp'?
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  • bohiapbohiap Member Posts: 535
    edited August 2012
    mimey2 wrote: »
    Forgive my non-PvPing ignorance, but...what do you mean by a 'mine revamp'?

    http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=336581

    There were several major changes proposed for the mechanics for mines. I don't use mines or PvP. I don't quite understand it. But, apparently the changes were tested on tribble, but are not being published in the holodeck patch tomorrow morning.

    The OP is assuming they dropped the idea and it will die. I'm thinkin' that's a pretty big change that they wanted to polish some more before it goes live.
  • cormorancormoran Member Posts: 440 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    After getting 2 boffs in off-duty outfits I'm almost gonna miss the tailor bug.
  • levi3levi3 Member Posts: 1,663 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    levi3 wrote: »
    They did not fix the most glaring problem in Colony Invasion - the fact that you beam up the diplomats while taking dmg or the diplomat moving you LOSE the bonus!

    In all parts of the game you cannot interact with anything while taking damage - or if you start interacting and then start taking damage the interaction stops until the damage stops - but not with the diplomats - this is a bug that costs as much lost points as the dying colonists!!

    Please fix this - it has been reported by many many people
  • mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    bohiap wrote: »
    http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=336581

    There were several major changes proposed for the mechanics for mines. I don't use mines or PvP. I don't quite understand it. But, apparently the changes were tested on tribble, but are not being published in the holodeck patch tomorrow morning.

    The OP is assuming they dropped the idea and it will die. I'm thinkin' that's a pretty big change that they wanted to polish some more before it goes live.

    Interesting. I read through all that, and I could understand why people would be...fussy, to put it mildly.

    I do know of a few people who would be very happy knowing that you could use the Dispersal patterns with Tricobalts though, if this still happens though.

    Thanks for answering my question.
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    pwlaughingtrendy wrote:
    I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
    I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Patch isn't even out yet. Lord knows what else could possibly break with it :D
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  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Ohh notes on Foundry. I really hope they are turning back on the Editor.
  • lordmalak1lordmalak1 Member Posts: 4,681 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Problem is, someone thinks the lack of mine usage by players is a balance issue, discounting the fact that mines and torpedos are different weapons meant for different purposes. The solution is to try to make them interchangable with torpedos and to make some so OP that they will be used more in liu of torpedos.

    More B&B trek.

    I can hardly wait to start spamming STF's with mines !
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  • lpthomasmariklpthomasmarik Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Mines are a tricky subject. I've always thought they were odd in teh context of the game. I personally feel that mines should be a device rather than a weapon slot.
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  • vesphavespha Member Posts: 43 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    brokenmirror2012 wrote: »
    Thank you very much cryptic. Keep up the great work. TAILOR FIX+NO MINE REVAMP

    This shows Cryptic has:

    1. Developed the ability to prioritize what people want.
    2. Realized don't release Overpowered content that isnt ballanced in any way.
    3. LISTENED TO PLAYERS!

    Mine revamp was terrible. if it went live, it just shows cryptic didnt listen to any feedback from pvpers. Mine revamp would have had no effect on pve at all, and killed whats left of pvp.

    Good Job on NOT letting this make it to live. I now haz moar hope that cryptic wont kill STO afterall.

    Prioitize what people want?? 1-21 KDF episodes...nope dont have them
    Romulan faction ....nope
    Actual endgame content....ha yea right
    Balanced pvp ...survey says.....nope
    New featured episodes...not a chance

    So far your comment isn't even close...

    PWE will kill STO. Someone will some balls needs to buy this and turn it into what its suppose to be...not this joke that it is now. Gene would **** a brick if he saw this pile of p'tak
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  • lpthomasmariklpthomasmarik Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    vespha wrote: »
    Prioitize what people want?? 1-21 KDF episodes...nope dont have them
    Romulan faction ....nope
    Actual endgame content....ha yea right
    Balanced pvp ...survey says.....nope
    New featured episodes...not a chance

    So far your comment isn't even close...

    PWE will kill STO. Someone will some balls needs to buy this and turn it into what its suppose to be...not this joke that it is now. Gene would **** a brick if he saw this pile of p'tak

    Someone needs a hug.
    This thread needs more dancing girls.

    Master using it and you can have this!

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  • empireofsteveempireofsteve Member Posts: 665 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    brokenmirror2012 wrote: »
    Thank you very much cryptic. Keep up the great work. TAILOR FIX+NO MINE REVAMP

    This shows Cryptic has:

    1. Developed the ability to prioritize what people want.
    2. Realized don't release Overpowered content that isnt ballanced in any way.
    3. LISTENED TO PLAYERS!

    Mine revamp was terrible. if it went live, it just shows cryptic didnt listen to any feedback from pvpers. Mine revamp would have had no effect on pve at all, and killed whats left of pvp.

    Good Job on NOT letting this make it to live. I now haz moar hope that cryptic wont kill STO afterall.

    If I were a developer I would feel insulted. Despite what you and some other people think they are trying to improve the game.
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  • lostusthornlostusthorn Member Posts: 844
    edited August 2012
    lordmalak1 wrote: »
    Problem is, someone thinks the lack of mine usage by players is a balance issue, discounting the fact that mines and torpedos are different weapons meant for different purposes. The solution is to try to make them interchangable with torpedos and to make some so OP that they will be used more in liu of torpedos.

    More B&B trek.

    I can hardly wait to start spamming STF's with mines !

    The problem is that mines have practically no place in a space setting at all.
    Because mines by the vary definition are not mobile explosive devices.
    You either have to deploy them over a small space that blocks off access to an area beyond them, bajoran wormhole entrance, or in such mass that they become massively cost ineffective. In all other cases, the one you want to block can just fly around them, because space is not just big, its really huge.

    Dropping mines behind you against a ship in pursuit? Why bother, just fire your aft torpedoes.

    Just get rid of them completely and replace the mine launchers with torpedo launchers.
  • lordmalak1lordmalak1 Member Posts: 4,681 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    lostusthorn wrote: »
    The problem is that mines have practically no place in a space setting at all.
    Because mines by the vary definition are not mobile explosive devices.
    You either have to deploy them over a small space that blocks off access to an area beyond them, bajoran wormhole entrance, or in such mass that they become massively cost ineffective. In all other cases, the one you want to block can just fly around them, because space is not just big, its really huge.

    Dropping mines behind you against a ship in pursuit? Why bother, just fire your aft torpedoes.

    Just get rid of them completely and replace the mine launchers with torpedo launchers.

    I don't agree they should be removed completely, but yes to the first paragraph- they are inefficient in space vs anything but a freighter in shipping lanes. Like I said tho, the spam I predict from all the new users of these revamped OP weapons may bring the server to it's knees.

    Let the games begin.
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  • brigadooombrigadooom Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    brokenmirror2012 wrote: »
    This shows Cryptic has:


    3. LISTENED TO PLAYERS!

    Oh really? :rolleyes:
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  • radkipradkip Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Prioitize what people want?? 1-21 KDF episodes...nope dont have them
    Romulan faction ....nope
    Actual endgame content....ha yea right
    Balanced pvp ...survey says.....nope
    New featured episodes...not a chance
    That's all what the vocal minority wants. The silent majority apparently wants to dress up and RP in ships.

    (I admit, I'm guilty of this)
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  • diogene0diogene0 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    brokenmirror2012 wrote: »
    Thank you very much cryptic. Keep up the great work. TAILOR FIX+NO MINE REVAMP

    This shows Cryptic has:

    1. Developed the ability to prioritize what people want.
    2. Realized don't release Overpowered content that isnt ballanced in any way.
    3. LISTENED TO PLAYERS!

    Mine revamp was terrible. if it went live, it just shows cryptic didnt listen to any feedback from pvpers. Mine revamp would have had no effect on pve at all, and killed whats left of pvp.

    Good Job on NOT letting this make it to live. I now haz moar hope that cryptic wont kill STO afterall.

    Well I do hope that the mine revamp will come on holodeck at some point, these changes aren't bad, we just need to adapt our game style.

    I enjoy playing pvp a few times a week, but I will never share the love of whinning we see on the dedicated forum. It's incredible to see how conservative hardcore pvpers are. Their current build is workind and they don't want to change it just because they would have to get some different equipment or to give up some special BO ability... It's a pity. The game needs balance, but the main concern should be pay to win options, not a revamp on something everyone can get.
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  • retunred4goodretunred4good Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    diogene0 wrote: »
    Well I do hope that the mine revamp will come on holodeck at some point, these changes aren't bad, we just need to adapt our game style.

    I enjoy playing pvp a few times a week, but I will never share the love of whinning we see on the dedicated forum. It's incredible to see how conservative hardcore pvpers are. Their current build is workind and they don't want to change it just because they would have to get some different equipment or to give up some special BO ability... It's a pity. The game needs balance, but the main concern should be pay to win options, not a revamp on something everyone can get.

    This, a thousand times.
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  • brokenmirror2012brokenmirror2012 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    diogene0 wrote: »
    Well I do hope that the mine revamp will come on holodeck at some point, these changes aren't bad, we just need to adapt our game style.

    I enjoy playing pvp a few times a week, but I will never share the love of whinning we see on the dedicated forum. It's incredible to see how conservative hardcore pvpers are. Their current build is workind and they don't want to change it just because they would have to get some different equipment or to give up some special BO ability... It's a pity. The game needs balance, but the main concern should be pay to win options, not a revamp on something everyone can get.

    So do i, but just because it needs a revamp doesnt mean it needs an OP spammable ability. Tachyon Mines are a massive resist debuff and shield damage, resist debuff is not resistable. Transphasic mines basicly ignore shields and now they obliterate heals in pvp.

    The fact is transphasic mine change would effectively destroy all healers in pvp. Hull tanking is not a viable option for sci ships or escorts. if ur an escort without shields, i can 1 shot u.

    FYI, im NOT one of the players the mine revamp would hurt. I fly a Hulltank bugship. My defence is my speed, I dont rely on heals. But some people are bad enough in pvp already What happens when a noob cruiser who can barely stay alive is faced with -50% shield healing, You get less players in pvp.
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  • kimmerakimmera Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    lostusthorn wrote: »
    The problem is that mines have practically no place in a space setting at all.
    Because mines by the vary definition are not mobile explosive devices.
    You either have to deploy them over a small space that blocks off access to an area beyond them, bajoran wormhole entrance, or in such mass that they become massively cost ineffective. In all other cases, the one you want to block can just fly around them, because space is not just big, its really huge.

    Dropping mines behind you against a ship in pursuit? Why bother, just fire your aft torpedoes.

    Just get rid of them completely and replace the mine launchers with torpedo launchers.

    RL mines are only 'not mobile' because they are in a liquid environment. Even then they are semi-mobile. The whole point of magnetic mines is to be attracted via magnetism to a metal hulled warship.

    Also the context is that you are not just laying them in the middle of space with no enemy around and expecting them to be useful. You are laying them in combat near an enemy

    Regardless of whether they make sense to you or not, there are mines in Star Trek canon.
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