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sindiel
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Now first of all, forgive me if this is the wrong section to be posting in, I am new to this particular forum and I also apologise because I imagine you've seen this proposed a thousand times before.
Here is my idea for how the Borg Collective could work:
Now I have seen people claiming there are only three Borg ships to work with... this is incorrect, You have Cubes, Tactical Cubes, Spheres, Probes and to take a dip out of Armada II, there were certain advanced ships called Fusion Cubes and Tactical Fusion Cubes, which were eight either regular cubes or tactical ones, combined into a massive cube, now we can argue the point of canon back and forth all we want, but there we go.
What about if you could become Collective Borg by being assimilated in a certain mission, etc..., now hear me out, everyone is going to want to come back and play Borg Collective right? well just like you need a level 25 Federation character to play Klingon, what if you needed a max level Klingon or simply max level Fed, to play as the Borg? it helps with balance simply put and furthermore you have to go and get assimilated with your ship to join the collective, I am sure the Collective would love to get their assimilation tubules on a Sovereign class starship, etc...
Obviously by adding Collective Borg, those who payed for Lifetime Subscriptions would feel cheated that the Borg have become a faction, but wait a minute, you didn't pay or rather get given the Borg faction, you got given Liberated Borg to play as, with the Lifetime Sub.
Now of course is the argument that, well it would kill the canon for multiple reasons:
1.Borg Cubes are too powerful for just one character to go around willy nilly in, well what about if Borg Cubes were something like moving starbases for your 'fleet' or something? if you get me, and you had to work together to use it, obviously smaller Borg vessels like the Sphere and Probe could be manned by one player, balancing out the canonical difference in production between Cubes and there smaller brethren.
2.The Borg aren't individuals, now I have seen counter arguments like Borg Queens as playable, that obviously breaks canon to the nth degree, but would it be so far fetched to suggest that multiple of those like Locutus and Seven of Nine, were created or assimilated for the same purposes that those two were? given some form of individuality to better themselves for invading the Federation or Klingon Empire? I am not sure how other's would react to this, but I don't think it bends the Canon too much.
Another idea of mine is that, they don't need to be individuals, you are just a drone, be it Tactical, Medical, etc... that helps in running the ship and assimilating others on the ground.
Or the third option, you are the collective, you do not have an individual body or mind, 'We are as one.' your objective is to enhance your own ship by assimilating others, etc... or other such missions, you aren't commanding the vessels, etc... as one individual, you are just the Collective working in unison and you can command drones on the ground, etc..
These are just some ideas I had for a playable Collective, what are your thoughts?
Here is my idea for how the Borg Collective could work:
Now I have seen people claiming there are only three Borg ships to work with... this is incorrect, You have Cubes, Tactical Cubes, Spheres, Probes and to take a dip out of Armada II, there were certain advanced ships called Fusion Cubes and Tactical Fusion Cubes, which were eight either regular cubes or tactical ones, combined into a massive cube, now we can argue the point of canon back and forth all we want, but there we go.
What about if you could become Collective Borg by being assimilated in a certain mission, etc..., now hear me out, everyone is going to want to come back and play Borg Collective right? well just like you need a level 25 Federation character to play Klingon, what if you needed a max level Klingon or simply max level Fed, to play as the Borg? it helps with balance simply put and furthermore you have to go and get assimilated with your ship to join the collective, I am sure the Collective would love to get their assimilation tubules on a Sovereign class starship, etc...
Obviously by adding Collective Borg, those who payed for Lifetime Subscriptions would feel cheated that the Borg have become a faction, but wait a minute, you didn't pay or rather get given the Borg faction, you got given Liberated Borg to play as, with the Lifetime Sub.
Now of course is the argument that, well it would kill the canon for multiple reasons:
1.Borg Cubes are too powerful for just one character to go around willy nilly in, well what about if Borg Cubes were something like moving starbases for your 'fleet' or something? if you get me, and you had to work together to use it, obviously smaller Borg vessels like the Sphere and Probe could be manned by one player, balancing out the canonical difference in production between Cubes and there smaller brethren.
2.The Borg aren't individuals, now I have seen counter arguments like Borg Queens as playable, that obviously breaks canon to the nth degree, but would it be so far fetched to suggest that multiple of those like Locutus and Seven of Nine, were created or assimilated for the same purposes that those two were? given some form of individuality to better themselves for invading the Federation or Klingon Empire? I am not sure how other's would react to this, but I don't think it bends the Canon too much.
Another idea of mine is that, they don't need to be individuals, you are just a drone, be it Tactical, Medical, etc... that helps in running the ship and assimilating others on the ground.
Or the third option, you are the collective, you do not have an individual body or mind, 'We are as one.' your objective is to enhance your own ship by assimilating others, etc... or other such missions, you aren't commanding the vessels, etc... as one individual, you are just the Collective working in unison and you can command drones on the ground, etc..
These are just some ideas I had for a playable Collective, what are your thoughts?
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1. The Borg are a group consciousness, there are no individuals.
2. I don't think there would really be anyway to make it balanced.
3. We already have plenty of missions with plot problems.
4. Romulan and Cardassian faction supporters will be up in arms.
5. I dont think Fusion cubes would be practical in this game, and also they are not canon anyway. Diamonds should be in the game, but they arent. This would be the science ship.
6. I just dont think a Borg Cube would be very fun to fly. It would be ok at first, then it would get boring I think.
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I never stated this needed to be some instantaneous thing, but something for down the road, I am well versed in the lengths of patience required for these types of games.
An IP with the standing of Star Trek rates a full-blown treatment. But Cryptic flat out refuses to expand on the 2nd faction of the game, the Klingons, to a true full-faction experience. This is after TWO YEARS after STO went live.
The Romulans won't stand a chance of being a true full faction experience if the Klingons can't after 2 years. The Cardassians and Dominion will never occur.
Cryptic and PWE are too busy finding ways of fleecing people instead of expanding the game and shoring up the factions to where they should be. They can't even do it with terrible cookie-cutter generic missions.
I can see that there would be issues, but they can be ironed out, given enough thought.
But, playable Locutus you say?
But maybe....
Now I will say that "Getting a Captain Assimilated" wouldn't work. It would be easier to just be a drone. I've said this in other threads before, but we could use some kind of Pvp Fleet actions, or STFs, fighting player Borg in that sort of situation would be lots of fun!
But yeah, Cardassian and Romulan fans would go bonkers.
The reason I brought up assimilation as the introduction to the faction, was for balance and for another way of making the faction viable, it also gives those long-term players something else to look forward when they hit the cap.
The only way a Borg Faction might work in STO is to have a liberated faction similar to Hugh's group in TNG. Even then it is not a real Borg Faction. A real borg faction would not work since you would have no control of your character or ship. It might work as a PvP match where you have one player being the Borg and have them set up troop deployments and defenses while the others try to defeat the Borg Commander.
You are a drone.
Game goes in observer mode.
You auto recive and accept a mission to go repair a <item>
Your char walks without you being in control to <item>
Your char repairs <item> without you being able to do anything.
Your char returns to alcove.
Rinse/repeat.
She was dead on.
Ha!
As funny as that is, controlling a Locutus would be interesting. I'm not sure if it would work, but it could be interesting.
I think the idea there is something of a cross between Seven of Nine, Hugh's rogue Borg, and the Borg Cooperative from Voyager.
So they'd be former Borg who have individuality and a culture BASED ON the Borg but something of a Constitutional Monarchy, so to speak. They'd value their tech, have more identification with eachother than their species of birth... But also recognize individuality.
An all Seven of Nine faction, basically.
I suspect we'll see that setup if Into the Hive ever happens, something like a few million Borg getting cut off and taking over a Transwarp Hub with a fleet of cubes/spheres.
But it wouldn't be playable until sometime after Romulans. And I think Cryptic will wind up having to redefine what the game is about just to make Klingons really work.
For example. You don't play as a drone, you play as the ship. You are given orders, then you carry them out, playing essentially the same as any other space combat in-game. You finish your mission, turn it in, get a new one, and so on and so forth. Flavor assumes that the drones within you, the ship, are doing their jobs, sparing you the dull nonsense suggested a few posts above.
For ground, instead of the Captain and four BOffs, you can customize five types of drone specifically for ground missions. You pick which one you want to control directly, the other four behave as BOffs. From there it plays as any ground mission.
There would be no social zones, no item shops. As you level, gear is given to you. As you complete assignments, gear is handed to you. Gear you remove could only be discarded if you wanted to get rid of it.
Basically, it would be monster play.
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No! Noooooooooo!(Smashes Mouse on the wall)
No more factions , you have a good create a character system and leave this new faction TRIBBLE.... Not again. The line must be drawn here! This far, no further!:D
My character Tsin'xing
Player 1: Shoot that Cube!
Player 4 killed Player 5
Player 1: No! The other one!
Player 4 killed Player 2
Player 1: "Expletive removed"
Player 1 killed Player 4
Plus Romulans are the confirmed next faction...when Klingons are finished.... :rolleyes:
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Something should be done for those who cared enough to have a 1000+ day sub.
There are decet boss fights?
Undine and Borg Player factions could work as a mini faction for time gated pvp events... they both hate each other... they both kill on sight...
I didn't understand a word you said.
It's a great idea! I would love to see stuff like that!
I think it would be Hilarious to see a mission where a Lvl 50 is pitted against 5-7 players in T1 ships.
My character Tsin'xing
Sorry, but what are you thinking?
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5. Probes = Escorts. Spheres = Science Vessels. Cubes = Cruisers. Tactical Cubes = Battleships. Same formula that every other race follows (even though some races have shuttlecraft as well.)
6. The biggest complaint would be the borg cubes pitching and yawing left, right, up, and down as they turn, just like they accidentally did a little while back. The 2nd issue is finding which direction your ship is actually flying in. Also, how would putting the borg-impulse engines change the look of the ship?
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Essentially, there are tons of liberated borg captains, bridge officers, and duty officers that are still with the Borg Collective and are currently acting as sleeper agents. Any crew that has at least one liberated borg in their crew are at risk. Having that many spies in a military organization is not a good idea and the Federation will suffer for it eventually. If we had a Romulan Faction, then I would not be surprised if they have a minature bomb in the brain of every liberated borg officer.
they were the bad guys in the first show......good guys in TNG...bad...then good guys in DS9..and practically non-exiastant ( besides a half-breed one) in voyager.....
The game would be just fine if they never added the faction to begin with..
accept it for the monster play that it is...because OBVIOUSLY atfer 2 years its not gonna get better.
not everyone wants to be a fedrat.
You forgot the D7 Cruiser that traveled from Qo'Nos to the Delta Quadrant 4 generations ago in search of the Kuvah'Magh.
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