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New Requirements Needed for STF Elite Games
kemcha
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There needs to be some changes to STF Elites. Cryptic still refuses to acknowledge that newbie players keep fouling it up and frustrating those us of us who are trying to play the game.
What I've seen?
Not only that but the 1 hour ban is not effective. Cryptic needs to expand that ban to 24 hours, much like the "chat ban" that spammers have been abusing. If not, prevent players from quitting the STF until it's over. My suggestions?
It has gotten ridiculous. In the past two weeks, when playing STF Elite (random PUG teams), 95% of the STF Elite games I've played have ended with players quitting the game. New players seem to be only playing the elites to grind and it's making the STF Elites very difficult from those of us who wish to play them. Sure, there are private games you can make, but the lack of players understanding how the elite works because they don't practice with the STF normal games is making the experience very un-enjoyable, to say the least.
I'm not the only one who has expressed frustration at new players because they completely bypass the normals and just jump into Elite games thinking they're easy. The purpose of STF Elite is that you practice on STF normal games to learn how to do the STFs. I do think that Cryptic needs to overhaul the STF Elite system so that before you can jump into it, you need to learn on the normals and play a certain number of the normal STFs before jumping into the advanced STF Elites. It would make the game more enjoyable and less frustrating for the rest of us.
What I've seen?
- quitting after the STF has started
- quitting when the objective fails
- quitting at the final boss fight
Not only that but the 1 hour ban is not effective. Cryptic needs to expand that ban to 24 hours, much like the "chat ban" that spammers have been abusing. If not, prevent players from quitting the STF until it's over. My suggestions?
- the first two players who quit an STF get a 24 hour ban from all STF games
- players cannot queue for STF Elite until they have played 100+ STF normal games (or until they obtain the MK XI Maco or Omega sets)
It has gotten ridiculous. In the past two weeks, when playing STF Elite (random PUG teams), 95% of the STF Elite games I've played have ended with players quitting the game. New players seem to be only playing the elites to grind and it's making the STF Elites very difficult from those of us who wish to play them. Sure, there are private games you can make, but the lack of players understanding how the elite works because they don't practice with the STF normal games is making the experience very un-enjoyable, to say the least.
I'm not the only one who has expressed frustration at new players because they completely bypass the normals and just jump into Elite games thinking they're easy. The purpose of STF Elite is that you practice on STF normal games to learn how to do the STFs. I do think that Cryptic needs to overhaul the STF Elite system so that before you can jump into it, you need to learn on the normals and play a certain number of the normal STFs before jumping into the advanced STF Elites. It would make the game more enjoyable and less frustrating for the rest of us.
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Care to elaborate how I'm to get full MK XII gear without being able to do elite stfs?
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Oh, I made an error, I meant to say Omega and Maco MK XI gear ... not MK XII gear.
WTF is this... 0o
Gear or number of times completed DO NOT have any impact on how well a player plays. That is all up to them.
There are quite a number of people who have ranted and raved about how many thousands of STFs they have done and then, when I ended up in a group with them, they SUCKED. In capital letters.
One dork, one of the admins of the EliteSTF channel (which, by the way, is a joke ...) managed to fall into the plasma 3 times in Infected Ground. On normal. Thats just a taste of his general uselessness.
You can gear a monkey in full XII, run them through 57k stfs and they will still be a monkey.
Just today I had a run with a player who havent played in over a year. We did cure ground elite and we still managed to complete it very fast (missed the optional like 30 seconds).
So a gear check or a check how many times someone has run a stf is totally stupid.
Maybe a brain check is in order for those that always bash not so good players.
If it frustrates you that much...
Don't Do Pugs.
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There are walkthroughs for the STFs available.
Elite STFs are run by experienced players who already know what to do. There is a time-sensitive optional objective as well, so there is not time to hold someones hand during the STF if you plan to finish with the optional.
Also, not everyone that is on your team uses voice chat. Its very hard to type out everything to someone who doesnt know what to do, and fly a ship, and fight, and still try to beat the optional objective time all at once.
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So it's not their problem to fix, nor could they.
Switch character, ban "solved". Does it change anything? No.
Would an account wide ban change anything? No.
People who "stink", will always do that, regardless of repercussions they recieve.
In nearly any game, which had a purely itembased check, it only increased abuse of the system. It increased problems with "bought items" for the company.
And 100 STFs to learn the freakin thing, you must be kidding. You need 5 minutes to learn all the basics in any normal STF, its just that simple (add 2 minutes for endboss)
So anyone who doesn't learn it after one full run, doesn't want to learn.
I'd like to add screaming, raging, and name calling are not effective training methods. My Ignore list is full of such Elitist people. More so than the leavers, needers, and inexperienced players. I have found some excellent players who just needed a little training and could make the leap from Normal to Elite pretty rapidly. I train new RA in my fleet on elite tactics in normal, we run several missions, get optionals... and then switch to elite... doesnt seem to be a problem. So A # of missions or Gear Requirement is just, imo, not necessary.
I commented in another thread that the penalty is not severe enough, so on that point I do agree with the OP. However, I think his suggestion is a bit severe.
My recommendation; 1 Hour Cool Down ACCOUNT WIDE (with as many alt's as people have, 1 character CD is meaningless). Also, the leavers should face a loss in Dilithium (equal to the mission reward)... or (in the case of fleet events) Fleet Marks, and Fleet credit.
To the OP... if it bothers you that much, join a channel, and run private matches. It is rare to see leavers in those... and remember everyone started with no experience.
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#2: Put perks in that require collecting Mk X, Mk XI, and Mk XII. The current system seems to encourage skipping ahead to getting Mk XII and a lot of people never try for Mk X. Likewise with Normal mode accolades. People might play more responsibly IF they felt like they needed the Normal mode stuff.
Or if you are over a certain amount of damage dealing for that STF you automatical get the good stuff....and you get bonus points toward your overal score for say healing others and the likes....
So if people come in and sit at the spawn they get nothing, if they mess about they get nothing....so the more you do in that STF the more you get, while those who do nothing get exactly that....nothing.
What this game needs is a penalty for Unsportsmanlike conduct.
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No. I queue with my 1target DPSer. I get 1.7mil on the scoreboard, i queue with my Useless AOEr i get 4mil on the final board, Or i can queue for my Low DPS debuffer who boosts everyone elses Damage by 120% BUT im lowest becuase i have no damage of my own, even tho im the reason everyone is so high dmg.
They need better GMs so when we report people action is actualy taken! If someone gets reported 20 times it could still take 4-5 weeks for a GM to even talk to them. If when someone gets reported action is taken withen the next 24 hours.
If the Optionals ere removed, ALOT of people will stop nerdrage, OMG YOU DIDNT GET THE OPTIONAL YOU NOOBS! HOW DARE U FAIL IM LEAVING YOU NOOBS! Because they didnt get 2 Mk XI Blue items... If Optionals droped XII very rare, yes there would be rage, but comon its dropping items that sell for 10000 EC.
It's gotten so bad that experienced players have started logging into Elite PUG games just to stand safely in one spot and listen to the PUG games spout obscenities and whatnot. It's even worse than Zone Chat.
The fact that neither the devs nor the GMs monitor the situation or that they don't think that anything is worth their time anymore. You're lucky if you get anyone to address the problem. It definitely is turning into more of a problem than it's worth. STFs are supposed to be fun to participate in as a team but it's turning out to be a bigger problem that everyone on STO has been hoping that Cryptic would soon resolve.
Elitist players are terrible. They scream, cry, offend anyone if don't play right inside you own perfect and unique style. They throw all problems of your own gaming failures to other people because they can't know how to deal with a random elite STF
Want a perfect game? Make a private one! If you have friends or at least know some good and experienced people to play.
If you join in a random elite stf in an open game, you have to learn how to deal with diferent people with different skills. And learn how to not cry because is your own choice to join in an open game.
We don't need new requeriments, we need to learn how to make a private game and call good and experienced people to play private games. If play in a random game, you are giving a bet and have do deal with the random players.
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I had one noob player tell me on STO chat that the only reason noobs do the Elites is to grind for expensive drops. That seems that the dumbest reason to play the Elites since you can get better drops elsewhere in the game. I've sold doffs from the repeatable Caitian assignments and received as much as 2 to 3 million for those doffs.
After doing two or three elites and not knowing it, I decided to search for information on them and learned how to play them properly. The Elite STFs require strategy to play them and the majority of players want to get the optionals as well as the Proto tech drops for the MK XII gear.
Those who say it's eliist are just noobs who do nothing but mess up the game for the rest of us. I've grown so frustrated with it that I've joined the others and just sat back and let them do all the work and then scoop up the loot bags at the end if they make it that far.
It dont really matter who is top of the scoreboard, its about what you do in the run throughy, everything you do goes towards your end score.........attacking, healing, debuffing......as long as your taking part in the run through you are gaining towards your reward.
I might even go so far as to say also forget random drops, if you get a certain score you get a token that can be used towards all the X/Xi/XII/ Omega/Maco stuff....my main point being that if you play the run through you will be rewarded......if you dont you get nothing......the way it should be.
Anything at this stage would be better than the present way its played, as people can sit and do nothing and gain the top rewards from other people efforts.
you can run any 1 elite stf (per account) only once a week
you quit or leave you blew it
but up the rewards so that a successful run ALWAYS gives each team member something with the MVP (most valuable player) being awarded a MK Xii purple item they don't already have
hows that for a solution
Both griefers and super elitists would lose out
everyone else gets their gear in less time with less grind and is happy
I think in reality the "elitists" that everyone runs into in these games are in denial and are actually the ones who need to go back to normal but their egos will not allow them to accept this fact.
1.) If you want perfection don't pug any STFs normal or elite make your own.
2.) If you fail the "optional", so what, you have a crapton of other stfs you can run with only an hour cooldown if you don't get it this time you'll get it another, its not the end of the world.
3.) Yelling, screaming, and name calling makes you look like a tool, everytime and twice as much if its a normal.
4.) If someone makes a mistake, let it go Mister Perfect McPerfecton, I'm fairly sure you've done the same or similar in the past.
Thank you!!!!
Finally someone else says it!