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Ensign Tac is pretty useless.
sdkraust
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Escorts shouldn't be sacrificing A Lt. Cmdr Boff Slot when they should be DPS orientated. Lt. Cmdr Sci / Eng should be done on non DPS focused Ships like Cruisers and Sci Vessels.
If we had a layout where we had Two Lt Tactical / 1 Cmdr tactical. This would be slightly more useful but IMO, Cmdr Tac / Lt Cmdr Tac is the best layout (2x Tac Team / 2x Attack Patterns / THY / 2x SV or CRF)
I'd like to see a little more diversity with my Boff layouts. I have no use for that Ensign Tactical besides run a THY1 which is far from useful.
I play an Eng / Escort build trying to aim for Tanky/DPS. It works really well on my AE, but these new ships don't interest me at all.
If we had a layout where we had Two Lt Tactical / 1 Cmdr tactical. This would be slightly more useful but IMO, Cmdr Tac / Lt Cmdr Tac is the best layout (2x Tac Team / 2x Attack Patterns / THY / 2x SV or CRF)
I'd like to see a little more diversity with my Boff layouts. I have no use for that Ensign Tactical besides run a THY1 which is far from useful.
I play an Eng / Escort build trying to aim for Tanky/DPS. It works really well on my AE, but these new ships don't interest me at all.
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Not ideal, but at least then it gets use (and 2x Tac Teams does provide a lot of survivability).
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Not just Armitage...
All the Tier 5.1 ships (Defiant-R, MVAE, Armitage), and the fleet versions of Defiant and Armitage all have the same BOff layout - Cmdr, LtCmdr, Ens Tac, Lt Sci, Lt Eng. (per wiki)
Now, consider that Tactical Ensign skills are fairly gimped - no patterns (attack or dispersal), no cannon skills. This leaves beam skills (BFAW & BO), torp skills (spread & overload/heavy), and maybe the target subsystems for ensign. Knowing that an all cannon build cannot use TS:x or the two beam skills, leaves exactly 3 powers to fill 3 ensign slots: Tac Team I, Torp Spread I, Overload Torp I.
Common forum posters / game etiquette claims that you don't stick one beam on a cannon escort just to use BFAW or BO (micro-lance). Wiki claims that TS:x doesn't have a tac officer I variant, but if it did, again beam for one ability? Shared cooldowns mess with using say Torp overload I & II, and tac team's cooldowns really TRIBBLE with using two, unless you dedicate to tac-team only (cause Sci team and Eng team all use the same cooldown).
I agree with the OP, 3x tactical ensign slots on a cannon escort = very restrictive.
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Defiant at least gets the Lt Cmdr Tac station unlike the armitage or MV, but yes on all of them you have to use torpedos or waste an ensign slot. I find torpedo spread 1 works ok here as its still strong enough to deal with pet spam.
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Was thinking of this but because you're limited by 12 slots total, and one of them seems to have to be Ensign a Universal Ensign slot would be what I'd like
Or a 2x Cmdr Setup =P
2x Cmdr Tac / 1x Lt Eng / 1x Ens Sci / 1x Ens Universal (Only because I want my RSP1)
That would be pretty damn good. Could run 2 Omegas III or 2 Cannon Buffs.
I am silly but I'd spec dual Cmdr Tacs something like this
TT1 / Beta 1 / THY III / CSV 3
TT1 / Delta 1 / Omega 1 / CSV 3
or
TT1 / THY 2 / CRF 2 (CSV2) / Omega 3
TT1 / THY 2 / CRF 2 (CSV2) / Omega 3
As these are the two major setups I use right now on a Lt Cmdr / Cmdr setup.
Very true.
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The Wiki is Wrong, the Fleet (and normal) Armitage has a Eng Lt.Com and thus a Tac Com, Lt and Ens.
The Fleet (and Multi Vector) Advanced Escort has a Sci Lt.Com and thus a Tac Com, Lt and Ens.
The Fleet Patrol Escort has a Uni Ensign.
If you don't want a Tac Ensign pick another ship or use a DBB/Torpedo.
Klingons for a long time got no choice with their Tac Ensign.
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The issue is not x2 its the x3 part. Some of us dont run torps or beams. Makeing the 3rd worthless.
a Lt tactical boff on a escort is not really useless. The boff's layout of MVAE is good for survival because of the LtCmr science boff. Think about this:
ensign tact: TT1
Lt tact: TT1, "what you like"
Cmd tact: "what you like", CRF1, APO1, CRF3
lt eng: EPtS1, EPtS2
lt cmd Sci: TSS1, TSS2, HE3
with that configuration you can have a great resistance, however it's true that for a really DPS oriented escort the Advanced Escort tactical boff's layout is better. And to be onest I stopped using the MVAE and start using the Adv Escort (with the universal console of the MVAE) to have a greater DPS.
At this moment I do not like the fleet advanced escort, I'd like the boff's layout of the advanced escort, so if I'll change my ship I will take the fleet tactical escort retrofit
Playing STO spamming FAW is like playing chess using always the computer's suggested moves
The far less useful Ensign Tac slot is offset by the Sci or Eng Lt.Com and the ships special abilities.
Now as the the Tactical, that's great if you want CRF, HY & CSV, TS on the one ship but less wonderful if you want a 4 DHC build. Instead of ******** pick another ship or leave the ensign blank.
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I run tac team 1 in my defiant R's ensign slot so ican have access to some more potent items like torp spread which can tagged with AP Alpha and Omega and any other tac buff like Fire on my Mark and shield sub target this turns a small group of ships into shrapnel real fast.
With the new fleet version of the AE you loose a very good BOFF layout for cannons and you are forced now into a layout for beams. Surely we could use other ships, but many of us would loose than the ability for the c-store console in the new ship. (I guess that can not be the point).
If you are using the MVAE layout, you are just handicapped. This layout just prevents you from the maximum dps possible. Cannons do just the most dmg possible. You can love or hate that fact.
It reminds me of an solider who was earlier a killer and now, i'll break his hands and force him to fight again...
Trading a single Lt. Comm. Tac slot for a Lt. Comm. Sci. slot is hardly the end of the world. Put TSSIII in there and become uber survivable. Put viral matrix in there with the right doffs and bring that fragile PVP escort to a complete stop. Put GW in there and play crowd control. I have both and always use the MVAE version. I also have no understanding about why on earth you would put beams on a MVAE unless it was to take advantage of the unrealistic ship movement in PVP. Beams on an escort just give me horrible flashbacks about pugging Elite STFs.
I would trade that slot every time and everywhere for a Lt. Comm Tac. Because you can still get a few very useful abilities in, which help with the creation of a lot damage. And thats the main purpose of an escort.
Maybe you didn't took a closer look on the layout. The MVAE layout is so clearly designed for beams, that even you should not be able to miss that. But I agree, every one who mutilates an escort with beam weapons should be banned from escorts....