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What happend to Cryptics trademark: Customization?

theanothernametheanothername Member Posts: 1,511 Arc User
Pushed aside? Nobody wants it anymore?

Take the recent released EV Suits in the C-Store. I really love the look of them. One of the first things in my mind when I saw the first Nukara NPC with such a suit was "Where to get THIS?"

Now its out in C-Store as a item=visual suit. Why can't I (when I bought it of course) customize my current EV suit to look like that? Get something like a EV suit tailor in game, that would give me a good reason to buy it & use it for my Tholian-Set Suit. Same for body armor. There are some with a style I prefer above the ones I use for stats.

I mean seriously: You can get make-a-wish creative variations of whole big military space ships but a single armor/ EV Suit is a nono; who do you try to kidding?

Yeha, yeah, "No tech, cannot do, yadayadayada"

I know you dont have that yet, go make it; and don't try to sell us you don't have the basics of that in a virtural drawer already. :)

Time for my first coffee today.
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  • jovusamberosejovusamberose Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Its simple enough, PWE apparently don't care. As they hold the pursestrings, what they say...goes.

    They don't actually seem to give a toot about what the playerbase think/want. They just want to ream us all for every penny they can get.

    Sure businesses have to make money...but the ones that make money consistently for a long time are the ones that care for their customers needs (or at least manage to convince the customer that they do).

    So...don't expect much, since PWE took over the focus seems to have -very- much been "Money! Money! Money!".

    /endmytuppenceworth
  • fewzzfewzz Member Posts: 242 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    It went out of the window when Craptic thought fvck the players we dont give **** about the IP either.

    Why would they when they make a simple EV suit and charge us 700zen and give it no customisation, all simple add more and more gambling to the game.

    TBH customisation stopped after the first few months of the games release really.
  • degalusmedivandegalusmedivan Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Dont forget that they want 700z for a non accountwide suite (have 6 chars). i never spend any zen on non accountwide items anymore.
  • tharkantharkan Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Maybe they are working on the customizations? Or we could always go for an in-universe explanation of "mass produced protective suite designed for effectiveness instead of flashiness".
  • mikewendellmikewendell Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    tharkan wrote: »
    Maybe they are working on the customizations?

    Seems like whenever customization comes up, they him and haw around the subject. Fleet logos on starbases was asked about recently and the response basicly was "Well if we have the time..."
  • palpha2clearancepalpha2clearance Member Posts: 432 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    it has fallen by the waste side along with quality, reasonable pricing and the addition of free season feature update.....with next to no story line content
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  • tacofangstacofangs Member Posts: 2,951 Cryptic Developer
    edited July 2012
    I don't think it's necessarily tech holding that back, it's the concept. EV Suits are singular, self contained units, that fit over whatever the person is wearing. There are no breaks in the suit, and thus, why would you artificially divide the suit up? Even if they wanted to, you'd have to figure out where to put in break points, as there are no natural ones (i.e. pants and shirts have natural break points at the waist, and cuffs.) And then, you have to make sure that those parts all work together. When we're trying to make something as iconic as the First Contact suit, having to modify it so that it's sleeves could be used on the old suit, means that if you just want the FC Suit, and put all those parts together, it won't look right.
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  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    tacofangs wrote: »
    I don't think it's necessarily tech holding that back, it's the concept. EV Suits are singular, self contained units, that fit over whatever the person is wearing. There are no breaks in the suit, and thus, why would you artificially divide the suit up? Even if they wanted to, you'd have to figure out where to put in break points, as there are no natural ones (i.e. pants and shirts have natural break points at the waist, and cuffs.) And then, you have to make sure that those parts all work together. When we're trying to make something as iconic as the First Contact suit, having to modify it so that it's sleeves could be used on the old suit, means that if you just want the FC Suit, and put all those parts together, it won't look right.

    You could theoretically have the glass helmet be transparent for species that have reasonable head restrictions.

    Or simply require people to use reasonable head restrictions if they opt for the transparent glass choice.
  • meurikmeurik Member Posts: 856 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    As I said in another thread, why penalize those of us who use "normal" head proportions? Transparent helmets in CO doesn't appear to be a problem, no matter what size or shape you have there. Why should it be a problem in STO?
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  • borg7of10borg7of10 Member Posts: 68 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    fewzz wrote: »
    It went out of the window when Craptic thought fvck the players we dont give **** about the IP either.

    Why would they when they make a simple EV suit and charge us 700zen and give it no customisation, all simple add more and more gambling to the game.

    TBH customisation stopped after the first few months of the games release really.

    I Compleatly Agree with this but instead of all of us
    Crying about the TRIBBLE Cryptic is doing with things such
    As this why doesn't the player base just Simply take a
    Stand like myself and 70 others and Refuse buying Anything
    From the CStore,because in all honesty until all of us as a player
    Base Continue to buy Cryptics Worthless TRIBBLE from their Highly
    Overpriced CStore thus continuing to give them our money for Overpriced
    Items and Worthless and Empty Promises and Constant Excuses they always
    Give us all they Will Not Change,Let's start making Cryptic Start Loosing Money
    In their Precious Cash Cow CStore and Stop buying their items all together and
    Then let's see how their tone with their player base is, cause if it wasn't for their
    Player base they wouldn't be making Any Money at all...just my 2 cents
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  • tankalot42otankalot42o Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    the real reason they dnt let you is this........

    if you could customize your suit you wouldnt have to buy several of them......

    its another way for them to tug at your wallet......
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  • theanothernametheanothername Member Posts: 1,511 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    tacofangs wrote: »
    I don't think it's necessarily tech holding that back, it's the concept. EV Suits are singular, self contained units, that fit over whatever the person is wearing. There are no breaks in the suit, and thus, why would you artificially divide the suit up? Even if they wanted to, you'd have to figure out where to put in break points, as there are no natural ones (i.e. pants and shirts have natural break points at the waist, and cuffs.) And then, you have to make sure that those parts all work together. When we're trying to make something as iconic as the First Contact suit, having to modify it so that it's sleeves could be used on the old suit, means that if you just want the FC Suit, and put all those parts together, it won't look right.

    With EV Suits & Armors I was more thinking in line of an appearance tab or WoWs transmogrification. You can only have one "whole" suit to show, but you can choose to have it look either like the crystal suit or the last known canon suit.
    the real reason they dnt let you is this........

    if you could customize your suit you wouldnt have to buy several of them......

    its another way for them to tug at your wallet......

    No, thats silly. Right now there is no reason for me to get it since it would rip the set bonus. Others might think the same. Also there are probabaly players with a purple EV suit with random stats that fits their playstyle better, so no reason for them too to get it (outside of collecting of course).

    If you could use the visual on whatever EV suit you're wearing as soon as you buy it there are suddenly much more ppl which would have a reason to do so.

    So its quite the opposite of what you're telling. Its another way for them to pat your back and say "Keep your money" ;)
  • tacofangstacofangs Member Posts: 2,951 Cryptic Developer
    edited July 2012
    You could theoretically have the glass helmet be transparent for species that have reasonable head restrictions.

    Or simply require people to use reasonable head restrictions if they opt for the transparent glass choice.

    Either of those require programming time, which is precious and rare. Opaque EV suit likely did not. In addition, it's not just head size/shape. Andorians for example couldn't use it if things were restricted.

    the real reason they dnt let you is this........

    if you could customize your suit you wouldnt have to buy several of them......

    its another way for them to tug at your wallet......

    This makes no sense to me. How does limiting customization mean you buy more?



    With EV Suits & Armors I was more thinking in line of an appearance tab or WoWs transmogrification. You can only have one "whole" suit to show, but you can choose to have it look either like the crystal suit or the last known canon suit.


    Ah, I see what you mean now. Like, buy the "Combat EV Suit" mechanic, and then apply whichever suit's visuals you want to use? One problem might be recognizability. Currently, if you see a First Contact suit, you know what it does. If you could swap it out, you wouldn't know at a glance whether someone had the extra bits or not. Dunno, just speculating. The concept sounds feasible.
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  • theanothernametheanothername Member Posts: 1,511 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    tacofangs wrote: »
    ...

    Ah, I see what you mean now. Like, buy the "Combat EV Suit" mechanic, and then apply whichever suit's visuals you want to use?

    Or the other way around, exactly! :)
    tacofangs wrote: »
    One problem might be recognizability. Currently, if you see a First Contact suit, you know what it does. If you could swap it out, you wouldn't know at a glance whether someone had the extra bits or not. Dunno, just speculating. The concept sounds feasible.

    Seriously, would you care so much (and have all the time the stats of each suit in your mind) what some dude (or dudette) wears to sacrifice such an awesome feature?

    Chances are if you click at somebody on Nukara in an FC EV Suit that 50% of the time its name is either "Security Escort" or "Mirror Whatshisname" :o
  • kalanikalani Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    tacofangs wrote: »
    Ah, I see what you mean now. Like, buy the "Combat EV Suit" mechanic, and then apply whichever suit's visuals you want to use? One problem might be recognizability. Currently, if you see a First Contact suit, you know what it does. If you could swap it out, you wouldn't know at a glance whether someone had the extra bits or not. Dunno, just speculating. The concept sounds feasible.

    Its an EV suit. Are you really supposed to know whats under the hood anyway?
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  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    tacofangs wrote: »
    Either of those require programming time, which is precious and rare. Opaque EV suit likely did not. In addition, it's not just head size/shape. Andorians for example couldn't use it if things were restricted.

    I get that. It comes down to how much you plan to use them, how much you plan to make off of them, and when they'll be out.

    I think the big thing that has me second guessing this is the 700 ZEN EV suit. When it was a freebie not even tied to a mission reward, I thought of it as a gimmick. With Nukara Prime, my expectations went up. Then I see a 700 ZEN per suit EV suit and my expectations went up more.

    C'est la feature creep.
  • reximuzreximuz Member Posts: 1,172 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    tacofangs wrote: »
    Ah, I see what you mean now. Like, buy the "Combat EV Suit" mechanic, and then apply whichever suit's visuals you want to use? One problem might be recognizability. Currently, if you see a First Contact suit, you know what it does. If you could swap it out, you wouldn't know at a glance whether someone had the extra bits or not. Dunno, just speculating. The concept sounds feasible.

    EV suits sit in the Armor slot, which can be turned off visually, and judging by the players I see running around ESD and SFA, most do. There are so few EV suits, and with the opaque glass face shield, it really does limit customization when using a EV suit, its just a bunch of clones running around

    It would be nice if there were ways to customize the EV suit like we do our uniforms, even if more limited, like colors and badges.
  • romineshrominesh Member Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    tacofangs wrote: »
    Ah, I see what you mean now. Like, buy the "Combat EV Suit" mechanic, and then apply whichever suit's visuals you want to use? One problem might be recognizability. Currently, if you see a First Contact suit, you know what it does. If you could swap it out, you wouldn't know at a glance whether someone had the extra bits or not. Dunno, just speculating. The concept sounds feasible.

    Honestly, with the way we currently have options to turn off all the visuals on both ourselves and our ships, recognizability doesn't have the same weight in this game like it might in other MMO's. I would really like to see more of what we have with the STF ground sets unlocking tailor options for not only things like the EV suits, but also for the starship sets. It would be nice to use, say, the Reman shield effect while actually having the MACO shields equipped.
  • diogene0diogene0 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Or the other way around, exactly! :)



    Seriously, would you care so much (and have all the time the stats of each suit in your mind) what some dude (or dudette) wears to sacrifice such an awesome feature?

    I play ground pvp and I would. It's a bad feature, don't be selfish, think to balance...
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  • switchngcswitchngc Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    When was the last time ANYTHING new came out that was customizable? I can't remember. NONE of the new ships are customizable, not even the Oddy (and don't get me started about the KDF ships), and of course none of the lockbox ships are customizable. Sure,we got the Faresians, but I imagine they are about as customizable as the Gorn (which isn't saying much). Customization seems to have been thrown away once PWE took over in place of viewing customers as resources to mine rather than customers.
  • dma1986dma1986 Member Posts: 541 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    switchngc wrote: »
    and of course none of the lockbox ships are customizable.
    The D'kora has several different materials (which change the engine colour and the side... bits... as well as the hull), and also quite a few decal patterns available under the advanced tab.

    Or at least it does on the KDF side, don't have one on the Fed but I'd assume it's the same there.
  • wraithshadow13wraithshadow13 Member Posts: 1,728 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Personally i'm a little sad that we can't use the MkXII stf costumes when using the EV suit. Why design them to look like EV suits but function as a costume separate from the armor if you can't use is as a costume when using the EV suit. Maco specifically looks better than the EV suits.
  • nalonalo Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    In order to find the answer of the title please see related search "What happened to the dinosaurs?":(
  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    diogene0 wrote: »
    I play ground pvp and I would. It's a bad feature, don't be selfish, think to balance...

    As another player noted:

    You can disable suit visuals and all anyone will see is a grey EV suit.

    You can also simply not activate the suit and it won't display as an EV suit at all. (Far as I know, activating it only protects against toxic environment insta-kills and lets you jump waypoints. So there's no reason to activate it in PvP anyway.)
  • switchngcswitchngc Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    dma1986 wrote: »
    The D'kora has several different materials (which change the engine colour and the side... bits... as well as the hull), and also quite a few decal patterns available under the advanced tab.

    Or at least it does on the KDF side, don't have one on the Fed but I'd assume it's the same there.

    Really it isn't the same as changing the entire structure like you can with many of the non-Cstore, non-lockbox ships on the fed side (again, KDF is just SOL with that). I mean, you can add different shields and get different visuals too, that doen't mean the same as changing types of nacelles or saucer sections.

    Honestly, I think the majority of the ship customization came from the old Starship Creator game anyway so the art department didn't really have to do much.
  • theanothernametheanothername Member Posts: 1,511 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    diogene0 wrote: »
    I play ground pvp and I would. It's a bad feature, don't be selfish, think to balance...

    Not sure if serious... :confused:
    switchngc wrote: »
    When was the last time ANYTHING new came out that was customizable? I can't remember. NONE of the new ships are customizable, not even the Oddy (and don't get me started about the KDF ships), and of course none of the lockbox ships are customizable. Sure,we got the Faresians, but I imagine they are about as customizable as the Gorn (which isn't saying much). Customization seems to have been thrown away once PWE took over in place of viewing customers as resources to mine rather than customers.

    I remember I was able to choose between several customization options with my KDF gorn boff and even if I don't have it I was under the impression that there where customization options with this new light escort-carrier.

    I do not think cryptic has given up on customization, otherwise I would not have bothered to bring up that topic.
  • zerobangzerobang Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    tacofangs wrote: »
    it's the concept. EV Suits are singular, self contained units, that fit over whatever the person is wearing. There are no breaks in the suit, and thus, why would you artificially divide the suit up?

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