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pwebranflakespwebranflakes Member Posts: 7,741
We've added a new screenshot to the screenshot gallery. The new Federation and KDF Combat EV Suits are available in the C-Store.


Link to the gallery.
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  • meurikmeurik Member Posts: 856 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Nice to see that the massive criticism about the "Combat EV suits" hasn't slowed the higher ups from publicising the existence of the canon EV suit in STO.
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  • cratchmastercratchmaster Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Now that Cryptic has time gated AND added cooldown to Nukara, they themselves are basically saying that these EV suits are a waste of money - provided that you're in a fleet and expected to contribute to fleet projects.
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  • trekadicttrekadict Member Posts: 36 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Hows about first making whats already in the game work?
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  • c0nd1t10nr3dc0nd1t10nr3d Member Posts: 638 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    meurik wrote: »
    Nice to see that the massive criticism about the "Combat EV suits" hasn't slowed the higher ups from publicising the existence of the canon EV suit in STO.

    It's not the suits that are being criticized... It's the ridiculous 700 Zen Per Suit, Per Character that is being justifiably criticized! The suits themselves look awesome! ;)
  • drogyn1701drogyn1701 Member Posts: 3,606 Media Corps
    edited July 2012
    I used to like the Friday screenshot, but then I took a Foundry outage to the knee...
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  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    is this really the thread to air all your grievances?
  • meurikmeurik Member Posts: 856 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    is this really the thread to air all your grievances?

    If not here, then where?

    Anyone looking at the Friday screenshots, will have already seen it, and thus it doesn't matter what comments are said here. But the powers that be should/could see our grievances. Just because you DON'T have an issue with the EV suits (and it's pricing/availability), doesn't mean that others opinions doesn't count.
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  • jexsamxjexsamx Member Posts: 2,803 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    is this really the thread to air all your grievances?

    This is the STO Forums, where every thread is the thread to air your grievances!
  • zeuxidemus001zeuxidemus001 Member Posts: 3,357 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    I'd buy the suit even at its price because of nice it looks except for the fact that if i wanted all 12 of my KDF characters to have it that is 700 zen * 12 = 8400 Zen. So lets see if I were to actually pay for that... $105 dollars so yeah I am not even going to bother with it unless I see them in exchange for a super low amount.
  • palpha2clearancepalpha2clearance Member Posts: 432 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    We've added a new screenshot to the screenshot gallery. The new Federation and KDF Combat EV Suits are available in the C-Store.


    Link to the gallery.

    Are you kidding me put a picture in the gallery after nearly every comment on the subject was Condemning the whole fiasco....time to issue some drug tests, because you folks must be out of your mind.
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  • meurikmeurik Member Posts: 856 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    In the "complaint thread" about the EV suit, i'm pretty sure most complaints were unanimous: The Art Team did a phenomenal job on the canon Starfleet EV suit, and the Klingon suit looks rather appropriate for the species. Due to limitations in Cryptic's tech (i.e, bad engine coding), we can't have transparent helmets. Which is not a limitation in itself, since other games handle it just fine. Oddly, CO which uses the same engine, can handle helmets of all types, and on heads of all shapes and sizes, just fine.

    The complaint, is in regards to the logistics surrounding the sale of the EV suits:
    - Character Specific (Not account wide)
    - High cost (700 Zen for a 1-time use, vs Costume Packs of 550 Zen per account)
    - No ingame acquisition method (random chance, purchasable for EC/Dilithium)
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  • captaindencaptainden Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    It's not the suits that are being criticized... It's the ridiculous 700 Zen Per Suit, Per Character that is being justifiably criticized! The suits themselves look awesome! ;)

    Agreed,beautifully done and the Fed true to the FC -Voyager suit, I honestly mean that. Would love to have them, but not at this time if ever. I wondered why the other suits looked so bad when my away teams had these, now I see.

    I know you have to generate income and have no problem with that, but this is disappointing. It has been planned to milk money off everyone with these suits since the beginning. Though the price is way too high for them, I am not as disappointed by that as by the low quality that they are AND the price. It's the principle of the thing.

    I had hoped things were getting better with the setup of the new lock boxes, seemed like you guys were starting to listen to the players, then this.

    Anyone getting these the way they are now should be ashamed of themselves for supporting a bad and dishonest practice, you are hurting yourselves in the long run.

    I apologize for the bluntness of all of this, I haven't been on STO long but I have been fortunate enough to benifit from the Free to Play additions to the game. Have enjoyed STO immensely. It's just that I would have expected better from a company that represents Star Trek and has fans that work in it.
  • meurikmeurik Member Posts: 856 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    captainden wrote: »
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    Agreed with all of the above. Great post.
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  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    meurik wrote: »
    In the "complaint thread" about the EV suit, i'm pretty sure most complaints were unanimous: The Art Team did a phenomenal job on the canon Starfleet EV suit, and the Klingon suit looks rather appropriate for the species. Due to limitations in Cryptic's tech (i.e, bad engine coding), we can't have transparent helmets. Which is not a limitation in itself, since other games handle it just fine. Oddly, CO which uses the same engine, can handle helmets of all types, and on heads of all shapes and sizes, just fine.

    The complaint, is in regards to the logistics surrounding the sale of the EV suits:
    - Character Specific (Not account wide)
    - High cost (700 Zen for a 1-time use, vs Costume Packs of 550 Zen per account)
    - No ingame acquisition method (random chance, purchasable for EC/Dilithium)

    Er. The engine would support transparent helmets fine.

    They have the helmet replace your head because of custom aliens with cone heads and the like.

    In theory, they could make the helmet transparent for everyone except Gorn and custom aliens. They could probably have a special EV suit helmet for Gorn. But it boils down to the fact that they can't have believable looking hats or helmets on bobbleheads and coneheads.

    Yes, the helmet replaces a character's head. It couldn't HAVE TO because of the engine. Cryptic chose for it to to handle unusually headshapes that would distort a helmet until it no longer looks helmet like.
  • tinead51tinead51 Member Posts: 449 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    drogyn1701 wrote: »
    I used to like the Friday screenshot, but then I took a Foundry outage to the knee...

    This lot could learn a thing or two from Bethesda ;)

    Awesome quote too :D
  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    meurik wrote: »
    In the "complaint thread" about the EV suit, i'm pretty sure most complaints were unanimous: The Art Team did a phenomenal job on the canon Starfleet EV suit, and the Klingon suit looks rather appropriate for the species. Due to limitations in Cryptic's tech (i.e, bad engine coding), we can't have transparent helmets. Which is not a limitation in itself, since other games handle it just fine. Oddly, CO which uses the same engine, can handle helmets of all types, and on heads of all shapes and sizes, just fine.

    The complaint, is in regards to the logistics surrounding the sale of the EV suits:
    - Character Specific (Not account wide)
    - High cost (700 Zen for a 1-time use, vs Costume Packs of 550 Zen per account)
    - No ingame acquisition method (random chance, purchasable for EC/Dilithium)

    And something I've said and see other people say:

    A lot of us could deal with per character unlocks...

    IF it had a special power and IF it came in a bundle of 5.

    Buying it once per character IS pricey. Buying it once per bridge officer is insane.

    But if these came in per character bundles of 5 that we could outfit an away team with, 700 ZEN would be easier to swallow.
  • meurikmeurik Member Posts: 856 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Er. The engine would support transparent helmets fine.

    They have the helmet replace your head because of custom aliens with cone heads and the like.

    In theory, they could make the helmet transparent for everyone except Gorn and custom aliens. They could probably have a special EV suit helmet for Gorn. But it boils down to the fact that they can't have believable looking hats or helmets on bobbleheads and coneheads.

    Yes, the helmet replaces a character's head. It couldn't HAVE TO because of the engine. Cryptic chose for it to to handle unusually headshapes that would distort a helmet until it no longer looks helmet like.

    Quoting myself:
    meurik wrote: »
    Oddly, CO which uses the same engine, can handle helmets of all types, and on heads of all shapes and sizes, just fine.

    I suppose the tech could be modified, in such a way that if your head shape is "beyond X proportions", it simply ignores the shape, and gives you an opaque face mask. Why penalize the majority of players who have relatively normal head proportions?
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  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,164 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    drogyn1701 wrote: »
    I used to like the Friday screenshot, but then I took a Foundry outage to the knee...

    Poor soul :(
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  • lordfuzunlordfuzun Member Posts: 54 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    meurik wrote: »
    I suppose the tech could be modified, in such a way that if your head shape is "beyond X proportions", it simply ignores the shape, and gives you an opaque face mask. Why penalize the majority of players who have relatively normal head proportions?

    The issues is that it has to be one way other the other for everyone. As a guess on my part, Cryptic made the decision (presumably with input from CBS) that having transparent scalable helmets for the the exteme possible settings for Aliens was too far removed from the look and feel of Star Trek. And you can see those type of artistic decisions throuh out the character creator. The sliders of the canon races are very to what's possible with the Alien race. The canon races are basically humans in latex. So that's what they modeled.
  • ddplattddplatt Member Posts: 83 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    What gets me is the total blanking of the subject by "officials" etc., at least try and save a bit of face explain why they cost so much!
  • xenor002xenor002 Member Posts: 424
    edited July 2012
    ddplatt wrote: »
    What gets me is the total blanking of the subject by "officials" etc., at least try and save a bit of face explain why they cost so much!

    To fund Neverwinter like the rest of the C-store's items.
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  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    meurik wrote: »
    Quoting myself:



    I suppose the tech could be modified, in such a way that if your head shape is "beyond X proportions", it simply ignores the shape, and gives you an opaque face mask. Why penalize the majority of players who have relatively normal head proportions?

    I think what you propose would be tricky, actually. Really, for any of this to work, it would need to be a costume slot item.

    The default would be opaque helmet.

    If you choose a transparent helmet, the sliders would be restricted.

    And while maybe the parts wouldn't mix and match, it would be nice to adjust the accent color on these outfits.

    I know, I know, character data storage... But why ever have someone appear in an uncustomized avatar?
  • sumghaisumghai Member Posts: 1,072 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    It's also being mentioned that PW effectively considers Cryptic to be their "R&D" lab for the Western MMO market - basically, seeing how far they can push pricing models of in-game virtual goods before the players start complaining.
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  • robeasomrobeasom Member Posts: 1,911 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    sumghai wrote: »
    It's also being mentioned that PW effectively considers Cryptic to be their "R&D" lab for the Western MMO market - basically, seeing how far they can push pricing models of in-game virtual goods before the players start complaining.

    Well they certainly do a good job with that.
    Like the screenshot as the suits are good and hats off to the designers but unless we are super lucky we will never see them in any events unless the zen price drops or they become account wide etc.

    As for the guy who says he will try the exchange anyone who buys it for the exchange will charge triple if not quadruple the price since they will be a rare commodity until the zen price drops.
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  • sumghaisumghai Member Posts: 1,072 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    robeasom wrote: »
    unless we are super lucky we will never see them in any events unless the zen price drops or they become account wide etc.
    Or if one is very patient at grinding dil / answering zen surveys.
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  • robeasomrobeasom Member Posts: 1,911 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    sumghai wrote: »
    Or if one is very patient at grinding dil / answering zen surveys.

    I have the Zen to buy it and one for my KDF character but it's not worth it at all
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  • startrek1warsstartrek1wars Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Yippee! Looks awesome.
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