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theagoeb
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Good evening everyone! (Or whatever greeting, for your timezone of choice.)
So lately, I've been playing a bit too much STO, (don't we all? Haha) and kind of just had some ideas on the back burner of my mind for a while. Namely, it's in regards to my first real ship, an NX class, that I have mothballed away into that magic little place where ships go as you gain new commands.
Anyway, what I've been thinking, is to gather some ideas from the community on how to still have these ships, well, playable in late to endgame content. Now, this isn't a thread to ask for new, VA versions of old ships. From what I can tell that has been vetoed down by the higher ups. But, mostly it's kind of a place for some of you more experienced players out there to maybe pass down some knowledge, possibly if there is anyone out there who shares my interest to relive the glory days of newbie-hood. I have an NX class myself, but I can definitely see this including the TOS Connie as well. They are both ships that cost us some money, and it kind of feels a shame to leave them in spacedock.
Also, on a related note, I've done some experiments myself, to test the feasibility of this. Trying to equip my Paratrinic Sheilds, which has the highest cap from my understanding (to overcome the probably most important factor of terrible hull) seems to have an interesting, and annoying effect. Equipping the 8000 something cap shields suddenly drops them to a greatly reduced something, then it goes back after taking them off.
I'm assuming this is some sort of factor to the ship itself, but really, I don't have much experience in the matter. Is there a way to overcome this?
Anyway, thanks for the time. If there is any readers out there that have some ideas to toss around, this is the place. Or if you've already figured out a sustainable plan, don't be shy! I'm sure i'm not the only one interested in this kind of thing.
So lately, I've been playing a bit too much STO, (don't we all? Haha) and kind of just had some ideas on the back burner of my mind for a while. Namely, it's in regards to my first real ship, an NX class, that I have mothballed away into that magic little place where ships go as you gain new commands.
Anyway, what I've been thinking, is to gather some ideas from the community on how to still have these ships, well, playable in late to endgame content. Now, this isn't a thread to ask for new, VA versions of old ships. From what I can tell that has been vetoed down by the higher ups. But, mostly it's kind of a place for some of you more experienced players out there to maybe pass down some knowledge, possibly if there is anyone out there who shares my interest to relive the glory days of newbie-hood. I have an NX class myself, but I can definitely see this including the TOS Connie as well. They are both ships that cost us some money, and it kind of feels a shame to leave them in spacedock.
Also, on a related note, I've done some experiments myself, to test the feasibility of this. Trying to equip my Paratrinic Sheilds, which has the highest cap from my understanding (to overcome the probably most important factor of terrible hull) seems to have an interesting, and annoying effect. Equipping the 8000 something cap shields suddenly drops them to a greatly reduced something, then it goes back after taking them off.
I'm assuming this is some sort of factor to the ship itself, but really, I don't have much experience in the matter. Is there a way to overcome this?
Anyway, thanks for the time. If there is any readers out there that have some ideas to toss around, this is the place. Or if you've already figured out a sustainable plan, don't be shy! I'm sure i'm not the only one interested in this kind of thing.
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CBS who own the license this game is built on have said no to the NX, Constitution (and the A) and I believe the Oberth from being T5 ships.
So to get them into the game at VA, first you need to go petition CBS to allow this, than once they agree you need to petition Cryptic to than add T5 variants of these ships. It's going to be a lot of work, and many people think it's a hopeless case but I wish you the best of luck.
Yeah I'm serious, it's not meant to be insulting, and yes your chance of success is below .01% Good Luck.
If I ask you a question it is not an insult but a genuine attempt to understand why.
When I insult you I won't be discreet about it, I will be precise and to the point stupid.
Thanks for the speedy reply Dknight!
But I'm afraid you may have missed a line above. This thread is not asking for new versions, but ideas on tweaking the current versions with in game equipment to make them useable at higher levels.
Also, thanks for the tip on the 10 decrease! I wasn't aware!
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I'm just thinking if my sheilds drop, just for couple seconds even, I'm toast.
Second, I'm not so... down with the lingo to be honest.
An armor slot, that would be like the alloys and armors right? Regarding that specifically, which would I want?
And, a field cap... Did you mean a field emitter?
Sorry, new to the scene here. But thanks for all the tips already!
The paratrinic shield may have the highest cap but alco the lowest regeneration.
the maco shield has a fairly high cap decent regeneration and a 10% damage resistance mod. plus the stacking special ability that increases your power levels when you take damage.
Yes. Sorry its the engineering console slot and all armors are engineering consoles. neutronium alloy is what I was thinking since it reduces both energy and kenitic damage.
I may be wrong since but the field capaciter is the one that raises your shield capacity by a percentage. If im wrong about the name I'm sorry but you want the one that comes from the dilithium store and had a % to capacity bonus. Not the one that has the % to regeneration bonus since you whant a second hull raising the overall capacity is better for you.
Most of your setup is really going to depend on your captain since most of your available skills are going to be your captains.
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Though, now I've kind of hit a wall, one I mentioned in the original post.
I equipped my Paratrinic shield from my main ship, and it once again dropped it's cap and regeneration. Dknight mentioned this was normal, as escorts suffer in the category. But then I looked at the numbers...
The base stats on my shield is 8551.4 cap, and 99.7 regen. Though when equipped on my NX, these stats drop to 5005, and 58.3 respectively. That is not by any means a mere 10% drop. Am I missing something here?
I've tested it on other types of shields and the all experience a terrible drop. If this happens to the MACO shields as well, it kind of kills the whole project all together. Is there a way around this?
http://spidermitch1.com/sto/fed/SpidermitchFEDShipChart.jpg = useful
Not sure about the shield moddifier but its listed as 1.0 which means no loss. The stats should be listed in the description in the ship vendor.
could be somthing programmed in for the starter ships. are you checking the shield stats in sector space/on the ground or in instanced space (like outside ESD)?
If your in sector space/on the ground the numbers are always wrong
If your in instanced space id check and see if the shielding suffers the same kind of drop on the miranda or a vessel of the next tier but remember to test on one that has the same shield modifier as the nx.
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I do apologise, I read maybe the first sentence and than skipped that paragraph thinking he's asking for a Tier 5 NX.
I was using the last version of Spidermitch's chart to check and read the -10% shield right next to the NX and thought it's modifier was .9 and was going by that since I don't have the ship to try out.
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Yes I'm far too lazy to actualy look at mine so I used the chart. But if what he is reporting is correct the the modifier is wrong on both our counts.
The chart does mention escorts having less shields but does say that does not apply to starter/light ships.
As I said im not terribly sure.
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The only Idea is NOT to show up in a T5 instance, STF, Fleet Instance with one of them.
It is probably the rudest thing that anyone can do as a VA to show up in a t1 or t2 ship (non retrofit) in one of those instances. It disrespects the other players who are giving of their time to help accomplish that mission so that all may benefit from it.
If you wish to play the ships, hey by all means, but do so in the correct context. Bringing them to the context mentioned is about the most selfish thing that a player can do to you neighbor.
So you know, there is not really a good way to spec them to survive for long in those instances. they miss critical health, slots, and bo powers to be truly effective and survivable. Sure you can putter around in the instance with it, but you might as well not shown up at all to the team mates who will now have to carry your weight in completing the objectives, and who will take notice of you, and your fleet in a not so nice manner.
It is why he, DKnight, stated to you good luck making them T5, that is the only way to make them viable for what you are asking. There are groups out there who adventure in those type of ships in VA instances, but they do so privately, which is about the most respectful thing that I have ever seen. These group shows some serious class in doing it that way, i suggest you seek them out, and if I run across one I will note this post for them.