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What do we know about Caitian history?

sophlogimosophlogimo Member Posts: 6,507 Arc User
edited July 2012 in Federation Discussion
With those doff missions about the Caitian Diaspora, we have learned quite a lot about the Caitians in STO:
  • Caitians are gengineered Ferasans. For the transformation, Nepata leaves were used somehow. (Caitian Diaspora chain)
  • About 800 years ago, those genetically changed Ferasans left Ferasa and settled on an unspecified planet, which they later left to settle the Caitian homeworld. (Caitian Diaspora chain)
  • Some time after settling that planet, they suffered a terrible starvation period, which transformed their culture "for ever". (Doff mission "analyse digested remains.)

What else did you get from those doff missions, or from other sources?
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  • rawskilzrawskilz Member Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    I only know pretty much what you've said there, interesting history, would like to know more - I play a Caitian and a Ferasan too, have to say I think they are the most interesting looking.
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  • lordmanzelotlordmanzelot Member Posts: 468 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    i think ... they were in war with all breeds of dog.
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  • rustiswordzrustiswordz Member Posts: 824 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    I like my Caitian G'rowler. Triple pony tail, stripy tats on face. Hes an imposing looking kitty! All the fleet guys just call him 'The Cat'

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  • dknight0001dknight0001 Member Posts: 1,542
    edited July 2012
    sophlogimo wrote: »
    [*] Caitians are gengineered Ferasans. For the transformation, Nepata leaves were used somehow. (Caitian Diaspora chain)

    I got the impression that the Ferasans started manipulating there DNA and the Catians split off wanting no part of it.

    I'll have to go read both sides of the chain again to be sure.
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  • ussultimatumussultimatum Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    fulleatherjacket wrote: »
    ...because the live action show didn't have the budget for them and the creators of Trek wanted to show that there were true "aliens" out there and not just people in makeup with pointy ears.


    And they did that by creating a race of cat people...
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    edited July 2012
    The Cat's sense of style and fashion is impeccable.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Actually Caitians also showed up in at least one of the TOS movies.

    TAS had a few things about their history too.

    http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Caitian
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  • jhubellejhubelle Member Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    markhawkman wrote: »
    Actually Caitians also showed up in at least one of the TOS movies.

    TAS had a few things about their history too.

    http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Caitian

    The brown "Caitian" looks more like a Kzin, but M'ress claimed they were related so I could see a few Caitians looking like that. The black one... I'm not sure what he really is, but he looks more like a bat than anything else. I don't think either was actually confirmed as a Caitian in-universe.

    STO's history of the Caitians doesn't line up with anything that's been done before either. It's an interesting take, but I find it kind of odd.
  • dknight0001dknight0001 Member Posts: 1,542
    edited July 2012
    sophlogimo wrote: »
    That's an interesting twist... any sources?

    Yes playing the Klingon version of the chain.

    Looking it up on STO wiki, I can't find the right pages. If somebody can link it who can navigate that site better than me. Or simply post the text from the chain.
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  • bluegeekbluegeek Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    jhubelle wrote: »
    The brown "Caitian" looks more like a Kzin, but M'ress claimed they were related so I could see a few Caitians looking like that. The black one... I'm not sure what he really is, but he looks more like a bat than anything else. I don't think either was actually confirmed as a Caitian in-universe.

    STO's history of the Caitians doesn't line up with anything that's been done before either. It's an interesting take, but I find it kind of odd.

    There's a necessary retcon of the Caitians related to the fact that the Kzinti are not licensed for Star Trek... they're a creation of Larry Niven's that was used only for TAS.

    Since STO doesn't have permission to use the Kzinti, we have Ferasans. And since Ferasans are a STO creation, the background story can be whatever the heck they like.
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  • jhubellejhubelle Member Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    bluegeek wrote: »
    There's a necessary retcon of the Caitians related to the fact that the Kzinti are not licensed for Star Trek... they're a creation of Larry Niven's that was used only for TAS.

    Since STO doesn't have permission to use the Kzinti, we have Ferasans. And since Ferasans are a STO creation, the background story can be whatever the heck they like.

    Way off point. Read the reference material that the STOwiki links to, Memory Alpha and Memory Beta (no whining about canon, most of what we know about Caitians in the "normal" universe comes from books).

    I think you'll find that the "Ferasans" and the "Caitians" are actually the same species, with "Ferasa" actually being "Cait". STO is the only place using Caitians (that I've been to) where this isn't true.

    Like I said, it's an interesting take. But I personally think they should have used a different name since the Caitians call themselves Ferasans. ;)
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Hehe... well duh... it's basically the same as the Vulcan/Romulan/Debrune split. But the Ferasans went one step further and used genetic tinkering to enhance themselves.

    and the books are NOT canon unless Gene or Larry said so. :p Wait.... what other games have the Caitians been in? I don't remember any.
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  • bluegeekbluegeek Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    jhubelle wrote: »
    Way off point. Read the reference material that the STOwiki links to, Memory Alpha and Memory Beta (no whining about canon, most of what we know about Caitians in the "normal" universe comes from books).

    I think you'll find that the "Ferasans" and the "Caitians" are actually the same species, with "Ferasa" actually being "Cait". STO is the only place using Caitians (that I've been to) where this isn't true.

    Like I said, it's an interesting take. But I personally think they should have used a different name since the Caitians call themselves Ferasans. ;)

    Since the books aren't licensed either, I fail to see the relevance.

    STO deviated from existing works to create their Ferasans, and tinkered with their version of the Caitians along the way. No argument there.

    Since they did, and since they had to do so in any case, and since they probably have the blessing of CBS to do what they did, I think this is something we are simply going to have to accept.
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  • thepatriot1776thepatriot1776 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    bluegeek wrote: »
    Since the books aren't licensed either, I fail to see the relevance.

    STO deviated from existing works to create their Ferasans, and tinkered with their version of the Caitians along the way. No argument there.

    Since they did, and since they had to do so in any case, and since they probably have the blessing of CBS to do what they did, I think this is something we are simply going to have to accept.

    Caitians were written up for FASA Star Trek's RPG supplement Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home. It was a very interesting read that jettisoned the Kzin due to Niven owning them.
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  • mkilczewskimkilczewski Member Posts: 284
    edited July 2012
    Male Caitians will, most of the time, kill, and sometimes, even partially, eat, their rival's cubs.
  • drasketodrasketo Member Posts: 148 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    We also know that it took them only 800 years to forget literally everything about their own history, where their homeworld was, all of it.

    Losers.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Those who left didn't teach the next generation about it. BOOM! history erased. It's happened in real life more than once.
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  • drasketodrasketo Member Posts: 148 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    markhawkman wrote: »
    Those who left didn't teach the next generation about it. BOOM! history erased. It's happened in real life more than once.

    They supposedly left cause they didnt like what was going on in their society.

    Those who dont know their own history are doomed to repeat it.

    1 + 1 = 2

    IE, still losers.

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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    drasketo wrote: »
    They supposedly left cause they didnt like what was going on in their society.

    Those who dont know their own history are doomed to repeat it.

    1 + 1 = 2

    IE, still losers.

    (yes, Im mostly kidding, but then Im not that big of a fan of anthro-cats, or anthro-much-of-anything for that matter, and I think its funny)
    You got the quote wrong. It's: "Those who do not LEARN from history are doomed to repeat it."

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  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,885 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    bluegeek wrote: »
    There's a necessary retcon of the Caitians related to the fact that the Kzinti are not licensed for Star Trek... they're a creation of Larry Niven's that was used only for TAS.

    Since STO doesn't have permission to use the Kzinti, we have Ferasans. And since Ferasans are a STO creation, the background story can be whatever the heck they like.

    Kzinti are also in SFB...but they never made it to SFC...had to change the name to Mirak.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Actually.... SFB had a HORIBBLE rendition of the Kzinti. I blame SFB for why the Niven estate stopped letting CBS use the Kzinti. :(
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  • agentexeideragentexeider Member Posts: 180 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    anyone realize that this whole thing is pretty much a carbon copy of the Vulcan/Romulan Diaspora?

    Philosophical differences force one group to move away from another and settle far away from the other.

    The history is eventually forgotten, giving us the current situation.

    Using the Vulcan/Romulan separation as a model could we not expect at some point in the future a Caitain/Ferasan reunification?

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