I really love the Fleet Varients of the Olympic, Cheyanne and Saber Class Starships. Would it be possible to add in the NX Class, Miranda Class and Oberth Class Starships at Tier 5 as well since they are all awesome designs and much loved fan favourites. It would be nice to be able to use these classes because they are smaller vessels, quicker, better turn rate and look awesome to boot.
It was mentioned in an earlier podcast (with Geko I think?) that Tier 1 ships will not be part of the Fleet Retrofit program. This includes the NX, Miranda+variants, TOS Constitution, and the Oberth. This exception also includes the Tier 2 Constitution(Refit)+variants and speculation about it is a potent topic with the forum community.
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I don't think the concept of the NX Replica as being an in service ship makes any sense what so ever.
As an Academy training ship, fine.
The Oberth was seen in many episodes of TNG, to be honest I think they just got refitted and used as flying labs, not proper ships.
The best reason I can give is CBS said no. People keep asking, but along time ago CBS said no and that answer should be considered written in stone. STO is a licensed product and the owner of the License set certain conditions such as the approval of all things released in the game. The Federation can't have mass cloaking devices, they can't use Klingon ships and they can't have the Miranda, Constitution (A), Oberth and NX as T5 ships that could go toe to toe with our current T5 ships.
A lot of ships got the upgrade, surely you should be happy with what you got?
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Well since Cryptic lied about the Ambassador, Steamrunner, Norway and Vesta Classes which were supposed to be added to the game in Season 6. It really does not take that much work to re-use models that are already in the game.
I don't think the concept of the NX Replica as being an in service ship makes any sense what so ever.
New ship built to look old. It's not a proper NX-class. It just looks like one. Hell, for that matter they could do a 2409 skin job on it, name it another class and give us a T5.
Well since Cryptic lied about the Ambassador, Steamrunner, Norway and Vesta Classes which were supposed to be added to the game in Season 6. It really does not take that much work to re-use models that are already in the game.
ambassadors coming in a special mission series that involves it. and as for stuff they promised in season six. just because its the launch of season 6 doesn't mean they put all the content out for it yet, they do iti n waves until season 7 is announced.
They were used as survey ships, personnel carriers, flying labs, and even small freighters in the 24th Century.
Reason why it's not a Tier 5 isn't even because of how old the design is though. It's the fact that it's not made to go toe-to-toe with larger ships. I mean in Star Trek III it took a direct hit to its Engineering section and was destroyed by a B'Rel Bird of Prey. In First Contact you see a few fighting but they're not doing anything to the Borg Cube they were up against. They're not built to fight.
Refit Constitution not being Tier 5: Plain, pure, simple. CBS said 'no'. So we're never going to see one.
NX as Tier 5: Certainly not. the thing was made back during Starfleet's early days. Same with the TOS Constitution.
Miranda Class: Though versatile, is as old as the Refit Connie. I would figure at this stage, they're simply out classed and out gunned saved for simple missions. Most of them took on the role of the Oberth. Being science vessels and the like with a little more. as even in Star Trek IV, the Saratoga was acting as a Patrol vessel when it got disabled by the Alien Probe.
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New ship built to look old. It's not a proper NX-class. It just looks like one. Hell, for that matter they could do a 2409 skin job on it, name it another class and give us a T5.
No I understand they wanted it to look like an NX on the outside but be a complete new ship on the inside. I just don't understand anybody seriously doing it in a real life scenario. And than sending it out. It would be like using Phoenix replica's as shuttle craft (and while it makes a cool pet) I wouldn't expect to see them flying around the vault.
Nowhere in the history of Starfleet have they released a mark two of a ship. And no the Constitution A doesn't count here.
It would be like replacing fighter jets with Spitfire Replicas (or P51's, P38's what ever your favourite prop plane is) but with a central jet engine instead of a prop.
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how about No? those are several hundred year old designs from the early days of earth/federation shipbuilding. Let them rest.
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As an Academy training ship, fine.
The Oberth was seen in many episodes of TNG, to be honest I think they just got refitted and used as flying labs, not proper ships.
The best reason I can give is CBS said no. People keep asking, but along time ago CBS said no and that answer should be considered written in stone. STO is a licensed product and the owner of the License set certain conditions such as the approval of all things released in the game. The Federation can't have mass cloaking devices, they can't use Klingon ships and they can't have the Miranda, Constitution (A), Oberth and NX as T5 ships that could go toe to toe with our current T5 ships.
A lot of ships got the upgrade, surely you should be happy with what you got?
If I ask you a question it is not an insult but a genuine attempt to understand why.
When I insult you I won't be discreet about it, I will be precise and to the point stupid.
New ship built to look old. It's not a proper NX-class. It just looks like one. Hell, for that matter they could do a 2409 skin job on it, name it another class and give us a T5.
lmao, flyinnnnn' so high in the sky!
ambassadors coming in a special mission series that involves it. and as for stuff they promised in season six. just because its the launch of season 6 doesn't mean they put all the content out for it yet, they do iti n waves until season 7 is announced.
But it's reasonable that its only use is being a Cargo Tower, it's not something I would want as a flagship of my fleet.
Be realistic, Would you want an NX / Oberth / Conny / Miranda as the symbol of your fleet?
No.
While we're at it, lets get an Antares Class
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110414050216/memoryalpha/en/images/a/a1/Antares%2C_Charlie_X_remastered.jpg
Reason why it's not a Tier 5 isn't even because of how old the design is though. It's the fact that it's not made to go toe-to-toe with larger ships. I mean in Star Trek III it took a direct hit to its Engineering section and was destroyed by a B'Rel Bird of Prey. In First Contact you see a few fighting but they're not doing anything to the Borg Cube they were up against. They're not built to fight.
Refit Constitution not being Tier 5: Plain, pure, simple. CBS said 'no'. So we're never going to see one.
NX as Tier 5: Certainly not. the thing was made back during Starfleet's early days. Same with the TOS Constitution.
Miranda Class: Though versatile, is as old as the Refit Connie. I would figure at this stage, they're simply out classed and out gunned saved for simple missions. Most of them took on the role of the Oberth. Being science vessels and the like with a little more. as even in Star Trek IV, the Saratoga was acting as a Patrol vessel when it got disabled by the Alien Probe.
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No I understand they wanted it to look like an NX on the outside but be a complete new ship on the inside. I just don't understand anybody seriously doing it in a real life scenario. And than sending it out. It would be like using Phoenix replica's as shuttle craft (and while it makes a cool pet) I wouldn't expect to see them flying around the vault.
Nowhere in the history of Starfleet have they released a mark two of a ship. And no the Constitution A doesn't count here.
It would be like replacing fighter jets with Spitfire Replicas (or P51's, P38's what ever your favourite prop plane is) but with a central jet engine instead of a prop.
If I ask you a question it is not an insult but a genuine attempt to understand why.
When I insult you I won't be discreet about it, I will be precise and to the point stupid.