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Captain's Log: Star Trek Online celebrates 25 years of The Next Generation

philo5oraptorphilo5oraptor Member Posts: 0 Arc User
edited July 2012 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
Star Trek Online's Season Six is in full swing! My fleet is extremely close to reaching tier one of its new fleet starbase (in all three categories), and people seem to be having a pretty good time as they team up to take on fleet missions to earn the merits the starbase is starving for. I have to admit, our Ventrilo channel hasn't been this busy in a long time. Rarely do I log in to see fewer than 20 names active in the channel.

This week we were told that a new version of the infamous lock box is being released. Part of the announcement also addressed the fact that Cryptic Studios has decided to make some tweaks to the Lobi store. The Foundry has been kept offline since the Season Six launch and remains shut down. Capping off the week, Star Trek Online began a weekend-long celebration of the 25th anniversary of the first airing of Star Trek: The Next Generation! Join me after the jump to learn a little bit more about it.

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/07/23/captains-log-star-trek-online-celebrates-25-years-of-the-next/

I have to agree with the first commenter. No excuse.
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  • th3fer3ngifi3ndth3fer3ngifi3nd Member Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    philo5oraptor wrote: »
    http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/07/23/captains-log-star-trek-online-celebrates-25-years-of-the-next/

    I have to agree with the first commenter. No excuse.

    Hear, hear!
  • kingdoxykingdoxy Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Isn't the foundry getting a big update finally? Isn't that worth putting up with some down time?

    And would the foundry authors be happy with putting season 6 on hold just to make sure it works? I see enough people complaining Starbases are taking a long time to build I can't imagine how angry they would be if they needed to wait an extra month to hit teir 1.
  • sp4cecomm4ndersp4cecomm4nder Member Posts: 65 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    kingdoxy wrote: »
    And would the foundry authors be happy with putting season 6 on hold just to make sure it works?

    Obvious strawman argument is obvious. You want people to think that putting season 6 on hold was the only possible alternative, but heres a pretty obvious one you are ignoring: actually test things out like you are supposed to before they go live and still release on time. The reality is they simply dont pay the foundry much attention on the test server and that is their own fault.
  • matteo716maikaimatteo716maikai Member Posts: 823
    edited July 2012
    at least they havent lied outright and multiple times like they have to the pvp community.
  • kingdoxykingdoxy Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    sp4cecomm4nder wrote: »
    Obvious strawman argument is obvious. You want people to think that putting season 6 on hold was the only possible alternative, but heres a pretty obvious one you are ignoring: actually test things out like you are supposed to before they go live and still release on time. The reality is they simply dont pay the foundry much attention on the test server and that is their own fault.

    So how should they have tested more in the same time frame? Hire more devs? well who wouldn't love that. But most folks who have been around know Cryptic is always short on Devs.

    I'm not sure if they ported over the foundry missions to Tribble so did folks even have a chance to test them? If not did any foundry authors create new missions to have folks test them?

    Good, Cheap or Fast. Pick Two.

    And we all know Cryptic is going to Cheap and Fast because they need the ROI and the players aren't willing to put up with slow. Foundry like PvP took a back seat because players would not be willing to wait for starbases to be rolled out.
  • sp4cecomm4ndersp4cecomm4nder Member Posts: 65 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    kingdoxy wrote: »
    So how should they have tested more in the same time frame?

    Not by "testing more", just not being sloppy. If they simply did what they were supposed to do in the first place whatever is wrong with the foundry would have been resolved before season 6 went live.
  • kingdoxykingdoxy Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    sp4cecomm4nder wrote: »
    Not by "testing more", just not being sloppy. If they simply did what they were supposed to do in the first place whatever is wrong with the foundry would have been resolved before season 6 went live.

    So the devs should have worked harder in the same time frame.

    I won't go as far as saying your calling the devs "lazy". But how do expect more to be done in the same time frame with the same number of devs?

    Criticism is easy. Finding solutions to problems is hard. And I'll be honest I don't have a solution that doesn't cost cryptic more money. And because of that I'm willing to put up with the foundry being down, because I'm one of the people who would have been angry with putting season 6 on hold to fix the foundry issues.
  • sp4cecomm4ndersp4cecomm4nder Member Posts: 65 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    kingdoxy wrote: »
    So the devs should have worked harder in the same time frame.

    They should have actually done what they were supposed to do in the first place, which is make sure the content they are releasing onto the live server works. Of course, it goes without saying that there will always be bugs that slip through, so dont think I'm talking about some perfect bug free release. But breaking an entire game system which was the main focus of season 3 is not some minor bug that slips through, it is utter sloppiness.
  • j4ck5p4rr0wj4ck5p4rr0w Member Posts: 103 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    sp4cecomm4nder wrote: »
    They should have actually done what they were supposed to do in the first place, which is make sure the content they are releasing onto the live server works. Of course, it goes without saying that there will always be bugs that slip through, so dont think I'm talking about some perfect bug free release. But breaking an entire game system which was the main focus of season 3 is not some minor bug that slips through, it is utter sloppiness.

    /\ This! If you cant release a season without breaking one of your previous seasons then you arent doing your job right.
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    sp4cecomm4nder wrote: »
    They should have actually done what they were supposed to do in the first place, which is make sure the content they are releasing onto the live server works. Of course, it goes without saying that there will always be bugs that slip through, so dont think I'm talking about some perfect bug free release. But breaking an entire game system which was the main focus of season 3 is not some minor bug that slips through, it is utter sloppiness.
    You say that as if it's somehow simple. It's not. Look at SWTOR and 1.3. Bioware's Dev team is 5 times larger then STO's yet since 1.3 they've had their Servers down 1 to 3 times per week trying to fix the problems 1.3 caused. When you're dealing with tens-of-thousands of lines of code it's very simple for things to slip through, even when you have a large Dev team.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • j4ck5p4rr0wj4ck5p4rr0w Member Posts: 103 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    You say that as if it's somehow simple. It's not. Look at SWTOR and 1.3. Bioware's Dev team is 5 times larger then STO's yet since 1.3 they've had their Servers down 1 to 3 times per week trying to fix the problems 1.3 caused. When you're dealing with tens-of-thousands of lines of code it's very simple for things to slip through, even when you have a large Dev team.

    If this were the first time they broke the foundry with a new season your argument might have some legs, but it isnt. This just goes to show they have consistently bad testing procedures.
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    j4ck5p4rr0w wrote: »
    If this were the first time they broke the foundry with a new season your argument might have some legs, but it isnt. This just goes to show they have consistently bad testing procedures.
    Something can break a dozen times. That only means it's broken a dozen times. The Foundry was an add-on to STO. It's quite possible the issue are with it. I'm not the programmer so I can't say, but I've played at least 100 different MMOs over the last decade and Cryptic's not the first company to have problems with major patches - nor will they be the last. As I said above, if one of the largest game companies in the world can't not avoid making mistakes I can't expect more from one of the smaller companies. YMMV
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • philo5oraptorphilo5oraptor Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    Something can break a dozen times. That only means it's broken a dozen times. The Foundry was an add-on to STO. It's quite possible the issue are with it. I'm not the programmer so I can't say, but I've played at least 100 different MMOs over the last decade and Cryptic's not the first company to have problems with major patches - nor will they be the last. As I said above, if one of the largest game companies in the world can't not avoid making mistakes I can't expect more from one of the smaller companies. YMMV

    One company doing something wrong is not justification for another to do the same thing. Yes, bugs are simply a part of software development; no one is denying that. But some are preventable, and when you let those kind happen it is just because you are sloppy. And when you let the same thing keep breaking it means you arent learning from your previous mistakes.
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    philo5oraptor wrote: »
    One company doing something wrong is not justification for another to do the same thing. Yes, bugs are simply a part of software development; no one is denying that. But some are preventable, and when you let those kind happen it is just because you are sloppy. And when you let the same thing keep breaking it means you arent learning from your previous mistakes.
    The point is, we are in no position to decide what is preventable. We're not the ones doing the coding. We have no idea what was changed in the Foundry code for STO or for NWN in the last patch. All we have here is nerd rage over not having it - and nerd rage leads to finger pointing. Some things are unavoidable in life no matter how much you want to avoid them. Even the best scientific minds in the world, with 2 years of testing, can TRIBBLE up a Hubble Telescope. :)
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • kingdoxykingdoxy Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    philo5oraptor wrote: »
    One company doing something wrong is not justification for another to do the same thing. Yes, bugs are simply a part of software development; no one is denying that. But some are preventable, and when you let those kind happen it is just because you are sloppy. And when you let the same thing keep breaking it means you arent learning from your previous mistakes.

    Well calling the devs sloppy isn't exactly like calling them lazy. But its close enough and I'll take it. Thanks for saying it.
  • mainamaina Member Posts: 430 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    philo5oraptor wrote: »
    http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/07/23/captains-log-star-trek-online-celebrates-25-years-of-the-next/

    I have to agree with the first commenter. No excuse.


    Seems to me only STO paid any homage to the event, everyone else kinda complained and offered nothing new............
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