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adon333
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Lets face it, Fedbears have more OP c-store ships than Klingons do, actually, Feds have more ships than Klingons do period. I think its high time we got a new ship ourselves. That new ship should be a BoP, and that BoP should be a K'Vort. The K'Vort is a large fixed wing BoP almost identical to the Brel. As to the reasons why:
1.) The K'Vort is just a re-skin of the Brel, only slightly bigger...Cryptic still gets to be cheap AND lazy.
2.) The K'Vort is a light cruiser.... and IMO it is high time for that BoP/cruiser hybrid since feds evidently get an escort/carrier hybrid now.
3.) It's canon, it's been in the video games, tt games, movies, and shows. AND it's not a new lego looking mess scrapped together during a lunch break by someone who doesn't even like the Klingon faction.
4.) It is "classic" Klingon and should have been in the game since launch, it's right up there with the Brel and Ktinga (imo)
5.) The Klingons desperately need new ships. The Klingons need BoPs more-so than cruisers...I mean cmon.. we have enough cruisers already.
The K'Vort should have a damage buff...and utilize a unique 8 weapon load out....<Massive frontal DPS> 6 hard points fore, 2 hard points aft,
with a slow turn rate...less hull than a sci cruiser...with an additional BO penalty and hit to shields like all the other Klingon ships..I believe these nerfs/handicaps will more than make up for the forward firepower and battlecloak and help to hold the QQ at bay.
I believe having a BoP cruiser like this would fundamentally HELP to improve over-all game-play as well as add more escorts to the KDF that can compete with the feds MVAE and Fleet Escorts. <Cuz we all know they retain an advantage over raptors.> This would also add more escort options to a game that is starting to turn very "tank" heavy. As in, zombie cruisers everywhere kinda heavy. Variety is always a good thing.
Well anyways, those are my thoughts on that... I know the dev's prolly wont ever see this but, perhaps my fellow Klingons might .. and offer feedback. Cya in game:biggrin:
K'Vort!!
1.) The K'Vort is just a re-skin of the Brel, only slightly bigger...Cryptic still gets to be cheap AND lazy.
2.) The K'Vort is a light cruiser.... and IMO it is high time for that BoP/cruiser hybrid since feds evidently get an escort/carrier hybrid now.
3.) It's canon, it's been in the video games, tt games, movies, and shows. AND it's not a new lego looking mess scrapped together during a lunch break by someone who doesn't even like the Klingon faction.
4.) It is "classic" Klingon and should have been in the game since launch, it's right up there with the Brel and Ktinga (imo)
5.) The Klingons desperately need new ships. The Klingons need BoPs more-so than cruisers...I mean cmon.. we have enough cruisers already.
The K'Vort should have a damage buff...and utilize a unique 8 weapon load out....<Massive frontal DPS> 6 hard points fore, 2 hard points aft,
with a slow turn rate...less hull than a sci cruiser...with an additional BO penalty and hit to shields like all the other Klingon ships..I believe these nerfs/handicaps will more than make up for the forward firepower and battlecloak and help to hold the QQ at bay.
I believe having a BoP cruiser like this would fundamentally HELP to improve over-all game-play as well as add more escorts to the KDF that can compete with the feds MVAE and Fleet Escorts. <Cuz we all know they retain an advantage over raptors.> This would also add more escort options to a game that is starting to turn very "tank" heavy. As in, zombie cruisers everywhere kinda heavy. Variety is always a good thing.
Well anyways, those are my thoughts on that... I know the dev's prolly wont ever see this but, perhaps my fellow Klingons might .. and offer feedback. Cya in game:biggrin:
K'Vort!!
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http://www.startrek.com/database_article/kvort-class-bird-of-prey
A K'Vort BoP is a larger version of the Brel.. however it is fixed wing so both wings are attached to the body as well as to the wing meshing atop the hull. Unlike the Brel...whos wings are only attached to the meshing. The wings although fixed..<i.e. can't move> are in a more upright position..somewhat like that of a hawk or falcons wings as it preparing to dive. The wings to not move down..up or at all when engaged unlike the smaller Brel.
I had someone PM me asking what a K'Vort was exactly, that is the reason i put this up. Hope this explains it.
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If the Geko sees fit to increase hull and turn on the Armitage, MVAM and other vessels that function very well as is, then the BoP definately needs to be looked at since its the lowest hull and shields in the game for any non-shuttle/fighter based vessel.
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Yeah, the K'Vort even had a refit variant in Star Trek Legacy, it deserves to be here.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
of course, it'll be a caitian version for Starfleet.
IKS Korrasami (Fleet B'rel Bird of Prey Retrofit T5-U)
My Gorn would be all over that. :biggrin:
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maybe a mix of a BoP and a Vor'Cha refit:
7 Weap-slots total (5 front/2 aft) >> unique!!
turnrate between vor'cha refit and Heavy BoP
Battlecloak
some Hull/shield-modifier then BoP
console 4xEng/ 2xsci/3xTac
BO-slots: same then regular Heavy BoP
+15 to weap-power
so the drawbacks for battlecloak/layout: 1 Tac-console less, 1 BO-ability slot less (missing ensign), lower turnrate. lower amount of shields and hull compared to others.
so a larger version of the the Heavy BoP, with more weaponslots, but less turnrate and modified console-layout.
what you think?
the OP mentioned a 8 weapon-slot ship, but i think that is to much for a ship with battlecloak.
- The Emperor about the GreyKnights
a T5 BoP with ALL the parts of T2-4 BoPs and able to use the C-Store skin versions for T2-4
Can I get a T5+1 seige destroyer in D6 clothing please ?
A raider is a small ship so 5 forward weapon slots is anything but typical of a small ship.
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This is very true... IMO the Brel size needs to be scaled down and the KVort should be a fixed wing version of the current brel...WITH all the improvements that is.
Someone mentioned that having 8 weaps slots for a BC capable ship is too OP.. well,, it still takes a hit in BO slots... hull and shlds...AND has a slower turn rate... so you would have to do either strafing runs or sit and shoot then pop cloak and disengage bursts. I think this would nerf it enough to keep fed players happy.
-PLUS you have to remember the feds already have a hybrid of there own.. the Armitage.. and it is getting buffed even more in its turn rate and hull. Fair is fair and all is fair in love and WAR. :P
Besides.. who doesn't love this thing. .I mean look at it ...
http://trekkiesblog.blogspot.com/2009/01/klingon-bird-of-prey.html
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Don't forget too for every function that the KDF gets... Their will be a *GREAT* skill balance that will only benefit the fed side examples like the counter to teleporting and the class only skills that were designed around fed ships and how they are played. So if we do get something it will be cut and paste and offer the feds a new disable against it where as we have no counters to anything they have it just goes on and on how they bias things for the federation.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=277621
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To the above poster D- Yes I did read your post a few days ago.. and I do agree the ship system needs a revamp, however- Do you really think Cryptic will redo and revamp all of our ships and re create the entire system all over again? Even just adding this many ships for each side and keeping it fair and even requires alot of balancing.. I believe that's a little too tall an order for the STO dev team.<Which I believe has like 3 guys working on it in their off time from NWN>
So, to sum it up.. we can only hope to achieve this balance.. one aspect..in this case, one ship at a time. That is why I put forth the idea of the KDF's first hybrid.. the K'Vort BoP/Cruiser. :biggrin:
Besides.. before we add even more Cryptic ships to this game <which I am not a fan of personally> why not finish adding the rest of the canon ships to the game? Klingons dont have half has many canon ships as the feds do.
-The K'Vort is the next most widely used canon ship. It makes more appearances in the shows than either the Negh'Var OR the Vorcha.. yet it is still not in game and we need another ship. Actually we need like 5 more ships to start to make things fair but, who's counting? I'd just be happy with one more myself.. I don't expect a lot from Cryptic.
Why not have the next Klingon ship be something that is already according to canon a hybrid?<which is something we need now with the Armitage>Also the K'Vort is a really awsm and Klingon associative ship to begin with, and lastly, the game needs more escorts.. and the Klingons need more BoPs, not just rehashes of the Heghta over and over. This ship will improve overall game play in ship pvp AND pve too.
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I want one. :biggrin:
I'm confused. You say we have enough cruisers but you ask for a BoP/cruiser hybrid?
BOP with slow turn rate = fail.
On top of that you wish to neuter the ship's configuration, why? The balance fairness card was trashed when Cryptic started to release ships like the Armitage.
Did Cryptic take away something from the Armitage??? Less BOFF?, less weapons?, Less hull?, Less turn rate? No. All they did was add a whole lot of OPness.
The KDF should get a BoP that have the same stas and layout as the Qin-raptor (just universal BO slots), turns like the Brel and is able to shoot energy weapons without dropping cloak. :biggrin: That this is not against canon and technically possible in the world of ST was shown in Nemesis by the romulan warbird Scimitar.
First of all...a cruiser/bop hybrid , is NOT a cruiser... it's a Bop/Cruiser Hybrid Secondly, well...tbh I am trying to propose something that won't get immediately shot down in tribble by fed QQ and/or shot down by Cryptic cuz it isnt nerfed enough to belong in the Klingon fleet. <Let's face it, we all know where cryptic stands on Klingon ships..just look at the latest fed carriers that came out, compared to anything the Klingons have.
<Not gonna happen but,>-I would like the ship to REALLY be able to fire torpedoes from cloak....like the Brel was originally supposed to b4 they nerfed that into worthlessness. <This is more likely h/e> I would also like it to have MASSIVE frontal dps, possibly more dps than any ship thus far.. thus the slow turn rate and hit to shlds and hull.
These are some of the things I want for the next Klingon ship. Mainly a true and proper hybrid like the Armitage... I would like a ship comparable to the OPMobile Armitage. However, I am also a realist, and I know that Cryptic would never give us a truly OP ship or one that could best any fed ship avail. AND that the riotous fed QQ that would ensue would get that taken away rather quickly even if they did. So I am merely tryin to propose something within the realm of possibility. Oh, and I want it to be a K'Vort.
I am sorry if I wasn't clear enough in my previous posts... hope this clarifies my position for you.
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I'm not a big fan of the idea of playing a turret that can barely move.
I do agree the KDF need more but Cryptic, most are Federation Fan Boys, don't agree. They use the usual excuses to justify it. They are running the game into the ground losing many customers and potential customers. I too would like to see a K'vort and some new fan designs but I doubt it will happen, at least anytime soon.
I can't see new KDF designs on the horizon, too. Cryptic is making the game only for the Federation players, who are milked like a cash cow without realizing it.
Actually the Raptor is the Raptor.. it's in a class all of it's own. Raptors are generally more heavily armed and armored...slower...less agile....and are equipped with stronger shields in addition to thicker hull.
Although I don't want to have to "sell" my idea to you guys.. I can't help but defend it from the naysayers :P.. it is NOT a "turret that can barely move" The idea for the K'Vort that I am proposing makes it one of the hardest hitting ships <highest dps> in the game. I have stated that like FIVE times, literally.... "Massive frontal dps" this superior dps and the battle cloak are why it must have less hull and slower turn rate. I stated this multiple times... how many more times must I say it?
The reason for these "nerfs" are to maintain the improper balance favoring the fed-side that the majority of STO players have come to expect. Just like these two fine gentlemen above me stated.
K'Vort!!!! I wants it!!
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+1 vote for adding the K'Vort. I'd fly one.
Correct...the reason it is used so heavily in STO is probably due to it's prominent place in several Trek video games, it also has detailed info in numerous places such as Memory Alpha and Beta and numerous ship yard manuals and tt game rule books. I am personally not a fan of "Raptors". Now the K'Vort on the other hand, that has been in movies, games, shows, books, you name it. It is almost as prominent and recognizable a design as the D-7, or K'Tinga. WHy it isn't in here is still a mystery to me.
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Well Klingons tend to use ships to be used for a very long time. Look how long the D7 / K'Tinga has been around? Besides, the Raptors in STO were based on the ones from Enterprise and actually new ships.
Anyhow, I want the K'Vort in too. And for the life of me, I don't know why Cryptic never added it.
Sometimes, when I fly my B'Rel, I like to think of it as the K'Vort because the size looks to be the size of the K'Vort on screen, while the B'Rel Carrier pret appears to be the real size of the B'Rel.
This man's opinion and stance on this particular topic are of relevance and comparable to my own!
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You fly the raptor for ground tacticals.....wait.....what?
I fly a raptor (Birok) and love it! I would want to see a Lt General ship in this class without having to get it via the starbases!
I really dont see the need for more BoP's, in fact I find the Lt Gen B'rel to be ludicrous, since this is a TMP era ship. I know we want more content but another BoP? Really? We need missions and much more development before we need a 'fed' type (read OP) BoP.
The K'vort skin/outfit really adds nothing to the game, so why ask?
We need content! not cosmetics!
Although as with everything else posted, this is just my opinion!:)
It was actually Martok who brought the type of ship back and Kurak built it.
http://www.warcry.com/news/view/89845-Star-Trek-Online-Klingon-Raptor-Revealed
this was on the STO front page wayyyyy back before launch.
Since we can't have anything related to the Klingons on the STO page, you now have to dig through google to actually find this stuff.:mad: