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matteo716maikai
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is this ability, being used for what its intended. or is it now considered a "must have"?
i ask becasue if its a must have, does that means it needs to be looked at (like tactical team is a must have) in order to be a good choice but not the "only" choice.
thoughts?
i ask becasue if its a must have, does that means it needs to be looked at (like tactical team is a must have) in order to be a good choice but not the "only" choice.
thoughts?
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Also, love having 2 of those super rare Conn Officers doffs that reduce the cooldown of Beta/Omega/Delta by 15% each, so with 30% cd reduction it allows me to rotate Omega/Delta. Having EPtS always up and either Omega/Delta up at all times is great for protection.
Combine a constant EPTS with constant TacTm, and you have a sturdier ship at all times. You never know when a decloaking Defiant / KDF warship is coming out of cloak to deliver alot of punishment. There are guys out there that will zap you to 0 hull before you can say, "Huh?" if you don't have EPTS+TT going. They'll wait for any gaps in timing and TRIBBLE you to eternity during those vulnerable times.
you have a point.
the conversation should continue, definitely.
Fixing it is not so easy. I think we could live without Tactical Team, because we did before. EptS has been part of STO PvP in its form since Season 1.2, I think. I believe without a power at its strength, we would find PvP difficult to enjoy as nothing could withstand focused fire and escort alpha strikes for more than a few seconds. That wouldn't really be good gameplay, I think.
The problem in STO has always been the extremes in damage and healing, and if you fix just one half, you wreck whatever semblance of balance is left entirely.
That doesn't mean we maybe shouldn't try, but we'd probably have to start on a more fundamental level. We'd need a do-over of Season 1.2 .(Which, make no mistake, was probably the best that happened to PvP beside Private Challenges, even if did introduce or fail to fix some issues).
Its really best with tactical team. Its second best with distribute shields and some other ability. TSS perhaps. It should give players the moment they need to take some action. But plenty of ships explode with it running. Ships with Tactical Team running or that distribute shields well usually don't.
Tactical team on its own bumps the effective strength of a single shield facing to 400% of that facings normal value. Emergency to shields bumps that, oh lets be generous, to 125% of its normal value.
And NO we aren't going to factor in the innate shield regen as over the course of an alpha it isn't significant nor will we consider the increase in resistance due to increased shield power levels as that is also not significant when compared to 400%. Remember your only looking at the difference that EPTS applies, so its whatever the difference an average delta of 25 power grants.
EPTS is a great power. It can be always up so that's not much of an "emergency" style to it. But its not that useful on its own. You really need to be able to take advantage of the increased power levels and be running some sort of ancillary ability to compliment it. If you don't you still blow up.
EDIT: Part of the OP was the question is EPTS a must have in the same way as TT is? The 30 seconds of buff that epts brings is of course measurable and significant when a ship is under normal fire. Of course. But under those conditions you could also use other abilities to survive. EPTS isn't irreplaceable. Under an alpha strike, tactical team IS irreplaceable. Under an alpha strike, EPTS on its own is next to useless.
EPtoS - Reduce resist to 3/4th of the current
EPtoW - Make the damage bonus last 30 sec. Reduce weapon power drain by 25% for 30 sec.
EPtoE - Make the speed buff last 30 sec. Add a small bonus defence (evasive) to make it a valid alternative to EPtoS.
EPtoA - drop stealtsight bonus. Give 30 seconds of +30/40/50 to particle&graviton generators and flow capacitators.
I'd also like to see them bump AtoSIF and AtoD down one rank, To make the T1 version a ensign ability. And EWP bumped down so T1 becomes a LT ability.
All these changes together, would allow non-cruiser players to actually make a choise when it comes to engineering abilities. Right now, all I have to choose from is EptoS1/EPtoS2 or EPtoS1/RSP1.
(I'd also like to see APO1 bumped down to LT, to help counter the massive hold-spam)
well...
I do not agree with that. Unless you are talking about a normal setup of someone to survive a alpha strike. Then yes, this holds true.
By normal I mean someone who does not cycle their shields fast enough or often enough and does not run other shield enhance/resistance in their settings.
Some of us super tanks, we can hit a EPtS3 on an alpha strike against the shield facing and handle it well. BUT understand I make that statement cause I have a ship outfitted, characters skilled out, and equipment, along with the pilot interaction keeping my shields balanced out.
Only skill that will take an alpha strike from a Tac, with not much help from the pilot is just TT, even then you better be helping it some. Some of those tacs can toss out some serious damage in short order.
It is a strong ability. It is an ability that is very strong when used in combination with other abilities. It may be very different from abilities with SIMILAR NAMES. This doesn't make it hilariously out of line.
Tactical team, on the other hand, is so hilarious I'm still giggling from the first time I used it.
Prove which?
That I agreed with your statement?
Or that I cited and example where it did not apply, due to an experience pilot/player who has pvp/pve and has survived countless encounters. Who has built ships, and is sought out by many for my super tank builds.
or that I still have a standing boon that no one has collected on, with any ship, with any build, get through one of my tank builds with me being the pilot and get me down past 50%? the reward for that is a free ship I buy you from the Cstore, any single ship of your choice? regardless to say in the past 2 years and 5 months, no one has collected it yet on any 1 on 1, and over 148 different people tried till i just let the challenge go due to pvp being so out of whack months ago.
You have done your work, and TT is an impressive skill, still I gave you one example through experience of where a good pilot can handle a alpha strike with a EPtS3. If you like some numbers, hey np, i will be happy to parce you some out later and repost them.
Understand you present one view, but just one. This game has so many ways of doing things that while TT power is all that you and I claim it to be, it is not the only thing to handle what was stated, in the way it stated.
Very true. or at least a complete redo of all defense setups completely.
that is a scary thought...
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ie all may encounter combat or danger so em pwr shields makes sense for all starships to have. Makes sense in game and canon.
Tbh as it stands it benefits nearly all classes pretty equally , perhaps slightly more for escorts as they have a higher defense can can easily take advantage of tac team, maybe some sci ship builds lose out a very little (then they did nerf trans shileds a bit too hard)
I wouldn't change emergancy power to shields.
Fed Random-Sci Monte-Eng Monte Banks-Tac
Klingon Warfarin-Sci Gamble-Tac
On the other hand, using 2x rank 2 or 2x rank 3 is just useless imo and the higher the rank you go with two Emergency power to X abilities, the more you waste them, because thats the way they work, you always throw away some part of the ability by rotating them.
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Let me reply to that by paraphrasing the definition of "out of balance", as some dev once explained it (i think it was snix or dstahl)
"when an ability is so good that everyone has to use it. When replacing it with any other ability would make any build worse, that's a balance issue"
Yeah, EPtoS is so worked into the game, that nerfing it would upset balance as a whole. The alternative is therefore to make the competing abilities better. (with the fact in mind that cruisers can take better advantage of these powers, they should be made to be a bit more helpful to sciships and escorts)