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lowestlvllowestlvl Member Posts: 698 Arc User
come you guys do some research before you start trying to re-write trek history


this excerpt comes straight from the game reguarding the the TR-116 tritanium bullets

The TR-116 fire chemically propelled tritanium bullets. It was designed to combat Borg.[/qoute]


source material http://ditl.org/pagweapon.php?WeaponID=29#w21
source series and episode DS9 Field of Fire

The TR-116 was developed by Starfleet for use in areas where normal phasers would be useless - within dampening fields or radiogenic environments, for example. The weapon was designed to be as simple and foolproof as possible - it used a chemical explosive to fire a Tritanium bullet and had no electrical or optical systems at all. The performance was poor by the standard of phaser weapons - range was limited to around one kilometre at most, and the largest feasible magazine was only capable of carrying thirty or forty rounds. However, in the kinds of environments the rifle was designed to operate in most opponents would be completely unarmed, while species like the Klingons would be reliant on swords and knives. Against that kind of opposition the TR-116 was more than adequate.

The development of regenerative phasers which can also operate within energy-hostile environments made the TR-116 obsolete, and Starfleet dropped the program as soon as they were confident of its replacement. For some years the design remained merely a forgotten replicator pattern, but in 2375 a modified TR-116 was used to commit three murders on board Deep Space Nine.

The altered weapon included two major changes. First, it was fitted with a microtransporter; when the bullet was fired the transporter beamed it to within less than 10 centimetres of the target. By using an exographic targeting sensor the killer was able to scan through many layers of bulkheads, allowing the TR-116 to be fired through walls or flooring. Chief O'Brien reproduced these alterations on another TR-116, which Lieutenant Dax subsequently used to find and capture the murderer. Operating the weapon is simplicity itself; the targeting scanner is located on the rifle, transmitting its viewpoint to a headset worn by the user. A simple thumb control moves the viewpoint forwards and backwards, allowing it to pass through walls as needed. The targeting graphic cues the user to fire whenever a target is in the line of fire.

Some thought has been given to producing the modified TR-116 as a field weapon, but while the displaced targeting system is ingenious the basic limitations of a projectile weapon remain. Since phaser beams can be transported on the way to the target much as bullets can, displaced firing is likely to become a feature of phaser weapons in the future.


debunked
There is no QA there is only ZUUL
called out the bs and got BANNED. and i would gladly do it again.
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    zodiemishzodiemish Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Wait... what?


    What is debunked? how are they busted? what is the meaning of this madness?
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    n0vastaronen0vastarone Member Posts: 389 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    did you see post season one STO? they didn't even get ships to look proper either. this is cryptc....Don't be surprised they screwed up.
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    cormorancormoran Member Posts: 440 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    OMG Their entire company will now unravel! I'm sure right now some government stooges are going to be coming around your house man. YOU KNOW TOO MUCH!

    This actually makes me wonder something about star trek. Who the hell designed the exographic targetting sensor, and why? Seems like you could sell it as the ultimate perverts tools. Or on a more sinister note, it could have uses in keeping tabs on any one of note, no matter where they hid, at all times. It seems like a tool that would be designed by Romuland or Cardassians rather than the Federation.
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    darren0kitlordarren0kitlor Member Posts: 36 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    lowestlvl wrote: »
    come you guys do some research before you start trying to re-write trek history


    this excerpt comes straight from the game reguarding the the TR-116 tritanium bullets


    [gibberish]

    debunked

    You know what's busted? Your sense of logic. :D

    If I say a Defiant was designed as a warship in hostile environments that doesn't mean it isn't also designed to fight the borg (both are "canon"--for whatever that means).

    Saying something is designed for x doesn't necessarily preclude it from also being designed for y or z.

    Now if Cryptic said its sole design was ONLY for Borg, they'd be wrong--but that's not what they said.

    Those traits listed and the ones in-game are not mutually exclusive.

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    cusashorncusashorn Member Posts: 461
    edited July 2012

    If I say a Defiant was designed as a warship in hostile environments that doesn't mean it isn't also designed to fight the borg (both are "canon"--for whatever that means).

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    "Canon" means that it's an official part of the established series, confirmed by the developers, authors, producers, designers... creators in general. In other words: It happened in the series and there's nothing that the fans can say to dispute it.

    However, there is such a thing as Canon Discontinuity, where the creators admit that a certain element never happened. Case in point: "Threshhold" from Voyager. The creators confirmed that the episode never happened and later enforced it by later having Tom say he had never traveled in transwarp before.
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    denizenvidenizenvi Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Saying something is designed for x doesn't necessarily preclude it from also being designed for y or z.

    ...

    Those traits listed and the ones in-game are not mutually exclusive.

    Exactly. We haven't seen the Borg use energy dampening fields or other weapons-disabling tactics, but it's certainly possible, given their advanced weapons and penchant for dangerous radiation.

    Perhaps Starfleet saw some energy readings of Borg tech and thought these things could be used to disable weapons in an area. That would push countermeasure designs forward, even if the particular threat never fully materialized. Or perhaps they thought they could disable borg tech with a similar disruptive field, leaving drones vulnerable to any weapon that could still operate.
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    twg042370twg042370 Member Posts: 2,312 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    lowestlvl wrote: »
    come you guys do some research before you start trying to re-write trek history


    this excerpt comes straight from the game reguarding the the TR-116 tritanium bullets

    The TR-116 fire chemically propelled tritanium bullets. It was designed to combat Borg.


    source material http://ditl.org/pagweapon.php?WeaponID=29#w21
    source series and episode DS9 Field of Fire

    The TR-116 was developed by Starfleet for use in areas where normal phasers would be useless - within dampening fields or radiogenic environments, for example. The weapon was designed to be as simple and foolproof as possible - it used a chemical explosive to fire a Tritanium bullet and had no electrical or optical systems at all. The performance was poor by the standard of phaser weapons - range was limited to around one kilometre at most, and the largest feasible magazine was only capable of carrying thirty or forty rounds. However, in the kinds of environments the rifle was designed to operate in most opponents would be completely unarmed, while species like the Klingons would be reliant on swords and knives. Against that kind of opposition the TR-116 was more than adequate.

    The development of regenerative phasers which can also operate within energy-hostile environments made the TR-116 obsolete, and Starfleet dropped the program as soon as they were confident of its replacement. For some years the design remained merely a forgotten replicator pattern, but in 2375 a modified TR-116 was used to commit three murders on board Deep Space Nine.

    The altered weapon included two major changes. First, it was fitted with a microtransporter; when the bullet was fired the transporter beamed it to within less than 10 centimetres of the target. By using an exographic targeting sensor the killer was able to scan through many layers of bulkheads, allowing the TR-116 to be fired through walls or flooring. Chief O'Brien reproduced these alterations on another TR-116, which Lieutenant Dax subsequently used to find and capture the murderer. Operating the weapon is simplicity itself; the targeting scanner is located on the rifle, transmitting its viewpoint to a headset worn by the user. A simple thumb control moves the viewpoint forwards and backwards, allowing it to pass through walls as needed. The targeting graphic cues the user to fire whenever a target is in the line of fire.

    Some thought has been given to producing the modified TR-116 as a field weapon, but while the displaced targeting system is ingenious the basic limitations of a projectile weapon remain. Since phaser beams can be transported on the way to the target much as bullets can, displaced firing is likely to become a feature of phaser weapons in the future.


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    aesicaaesica Member Posts: 736 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Oh ****, somebody screwed up a minor detail in an mmo that probably isn't considered canon by the actual franchise? GOOD THING THE LORE POLICE ARE ON THE JOB!
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    klytemnestra1klytemnestra1 Member Posts: 40 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Just because it was Canon in a TV SHow... does not mean any future show or video game is stuck with it. In a TV show, the producers are limited by budget constraints. In a video game the developers have to take that design and fit in in the game world environment.

    Here weapons can only be used at 30 meters. That is it. Sniper weapons can be used at 45 meters.

    In a video game people only care that the weapon works and that it makes a pretty color when used and that it matches their outfit.

    No one really cares what they said on DS-9.

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    dma1986dma1986 Member Posts: 541 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    DS9 is set in a timeline where Romulus still exists. The game is set in a timeline where Romulus no longer exists.

    Is it really so difficult to imagine that other things (such as the origins of a specific round of ammunition) may be different as well?
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    zerobangzerobang Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    since the TR-116 they sold you (i don't even have one -.-) is NOT the TR-116 from the TV Show, i do not see a problem with this at all.

    compare

    Star Trek:
    http://images.auctionworks.com/hi/3/3282/tr-116.1.jpg

    STO:
    http://i48.tinypic.com/29p7yms.jpg

    not the same rifle at all
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    angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,001 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    We have giant ugly purple "Andromeda" style battlecarriers crawling through space, piloted by "Sterfleet Captains" in most outlandish clothing while commiting large-scale genocide throughout the galaxy on every routine mission we do. But this rifle's description breaks your immersion?
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    cormorancormoran Member Posts: 440 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    dma1986 wrote: »
    DS9 is set in a timeline where Romulus still exists. The game is set in a timeline where Romulus no longer exists.

    Is it really so difficult to imagine that other things (such as the origins of a specific round of ammunition) may be different as well?

    Romulus was destroyed after the events in DS9, it's the same timeline.
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    hippiejonhippiejon Member Posts: 1,581 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    angrytarg wrote: »
    We have giant ugly purple "Andromeda" style battlecarriers crawling through space, piloted by "Sterfleet Captains" in most outlandish clothing while commiting large-scale genocide throughout the galaxy on every routine mission we do. But this rifle's description breaks your immersion???

    ^^ What he said ^^ (I just added two more question marks)
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    hrci2907hrci2907 Member Posts: 648 Media Corps
    edited July 2012
    Quick, call the police! :D
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    theindefatigabletheindefatigable Member Posts: 351 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Looks to me like the premise that the rifle was designed to "fight the Borg" is not necessarily incompatible with the canon statement that the rifle was designed to operate in environments unsuitable for phasers. As long as STO doesn't directly contradict canon...I say it's all good here.
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    darthoricidarthorici Member Posts: 187 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    first okk this did not come from memory alpha. so how is this info canon? and when in star trek have wee seen a phaser bean transported?
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