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Aquarius Destroyer...

walshicuswalshicus Member Posts: 1,314 Arc User
edited August 2012 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
So, just noticed this baby being inserted into the Escort lineup with a standard and Fleet variant. Looks pretty nice!
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  • walshicuswalshicus Member Posts: 1,314 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Well, *I* thought it was pretty cool...
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  • angelsilhouetteangelsilhouette Member Posts: 24
    edited July 2012
    A bunch of people used to be, but maybe something else shiny distracted them.


    That or the fact that, according to what I've read on the forums, you have to not only grind out a bunch of dilithium and other stuff, you also have to pay Zen. For a per character ship

    From the fleet store, that is.

    If it's in the C-store for only Zen then I have no clue why no one is excited in your thread.
  • sentinel64sentinel64 Member Posts: 901 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    It is not good enough (right now) to be considered an Escort. It is stored in the fantail of my Oddy, which makes it a large shuttle, not an escort... and definitely not a Destroyer. :rolleyes:
  • aethon3050aethon3050 Member Posts: 599 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    sentinel64 wrote: »
    It is not good enough (right now) to be considered an Escort. It is stored in the fantail of my Oddy, which makes it a large shuttle, not an escort... and definitely not a Destroyer. :rolleyes:

    I have to agree, especially on the size; I always thought of the Intrepid as being similar to a destroyer, in spite of its science capabilities...not to mention, Starfleet *did* initially send Voyager on a task that was of a decidedly militaristic nature. It's sleek, relatively small (but definitely not a 'small craft'), fast, maneuverable, and Starfleet can build about half a dozen of them for the cost of a full-size exploration cruiser.
  • denizenvidenizenvi Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    There should be a way to switch to it from an Odyssey (like a shuttle or Tuffli). That way, you'd get the benefit of being able to switch to it in sector space to offset the limitations on its performance as an escort with respect to the other T5 ships.

    I think this would be a pretty special perk on a cool ship that wouldn't really change balance any.
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  • walshicuswalshicus Member Posts: 1,314 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    denizenvi wrote: »
    There should be a way to switch to it from an Odyssey (like a shuttle or Tuffli). That way, you'd get the benefit of being able to switch to it in sector space to offset the limitations on its performance as an escort with respect to the other T5 ships.

    I think this would be a pretty special perk on a cool ship that wouldn't really change balance any.

    Yeah, the day they get the tech to do that in the game...

    sentinel64 wrote: »
    It is not good enough (right now) to be considered an Escort. It is stored in the fantail of my Oddy, which makes it a large shuttle, not an escort... and definitely not a Destroyer. :rolleyes:

    Destroyers are typically pretty small ships. Corvette > Frigate > Destroyer > Cruiser > Battleship / Dreadnought
    Of course it fits the "Escort" category. It's just that the "Escort" category doesn't really make much sense.

    If we were starting again each ship would have two classifications: Size (i.e. Destroyer / Cruiser) would determine inertia, speed and manueverability. Mission (i.e. Escort / Science) would determine whether it was specced for damage, defence or support. That way you could have the Intrepid be a Science mission Destroyer. Or have the Sovereign be an Escort mission Battleship.
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  • vonbonvonbon Member Posts: 126 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    The reason Escorts are called Escorts is because that is (Lore wise) what they do, they escort the Much larger cumbersom ships, they deal with the faster immediate dangers that the larger ships may not be able to avoid. An in game example is when i do STFS namly the Cure, i fly near my freinds Odyssey Class, i deal with the BoPs the Raptors and intercept the heavy Torps before they hit him. Thats why they are called escorts.
  • mulder1aqmulder1aq Member Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Its stats are not impressive though IMO.
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  • mchannibalmchannibal Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    the acquarius that appears now on the ship roster should be the one that equips the Odissey.
    But it is far from that, because the aquarius on the odissey is no more better than a simple shuttle craft.
  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99
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    edited July 2012
    sentinel64 wrote: »
    It is not good enough (right now) to be considered an Escort. It is stored in the fantail of my Oddy, which makes it a large shuttle, not an escort... and definitely not a Destroyer. :rolleyes:

    The fantail of the Odyssey is big enough for a Defiant.
  • guthrie65guthrie65 Member Posts: 31 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Honey? Does this Aquarius make my fantail look fat?:D
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  • denizenvidenizenvi Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    walshicus wrote: »
    Yeah, the day they get the tech to do that in the game...

    I don't see any reason why you wouldn't be able to do it now from your bridge interior. It works fine for shuttles, and the Tuffli isn't even a shuttle, just a really weak ship.
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  • thratch1thratch1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    mulder1aq wrote: »
    Its stats are not impressive though IMO.

    It looks like it has Bird of Prey stats, without the advantage of the Battle Cloak for the hit-and-run tactics, as well as a lower maneuverability than the Tactical Escorts.

    I'm just going by what I see on the STO Wiki, but it looks way too fragile to not have something to offset that...

    Not that I support a Federation-side battle cloak, just that the Aquarius ship should have something. Low energy signature, maybe, or just some passive Defense bonus that makes it innately harder to hit, whatever.
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  • gstamo01gstamo01 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Destroyers are offensive ships. They are designed to move fast and deal in dmg. They are not designed to take hits. So any escort could be considered a Destroyer.

    Ships like the Intrepid are not a destroyer, regardless of how much some might like to pretend that is what it is..
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  • reconalpha1reconalpha1 Member Posts: 59 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    The Aquarius was a good opportunity to try and put some balance into this game but they chose to miss this opportunity.

    This ship would have made a somewhat good counterpart to the Hegh?ta Bird of Prey if they only gave it a Universal Commander instead of the universal Lt.

    As it stands now this ship is far too weak to be of any good. For a ship its size it has a slower turn rate than the larger Tactical Escort ? Retrofit even though in the description it states that the Aquarius is the ?Fastest? ship in the fleet.

    Unless I missed something in the stats I did not see an Impulse Modifier to support the statement.

    When you compare the Aquarius to the Hegh?ta BoP the Aquarius falls short in many categories.

    In Maneuverability it loses to the BoP
    In Shield strength it loses to the BoP
    In Hull Strengths it is equal to the BoP
    Crew hull repair strengths it loses to the BoP
    In Bridge officer configuration to help compensate for its other weakness it also loses to the bird of prey.
    It has no battle cloak to help out its weak hull strength like the BoP.

    I am finding it difficult as to why they added this ship to the roster if it really has no real purpose.

    The BoP on the other hand can be configured to serve multiple roles like a standalone attack ship or a quick in and out heavy weapons load out attack ship or placate and disrupt support ship and the list goes on.

    So my question to the Devs is, what purpose will the Aquarius have in this game?


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  • cusashorncusashorn Member Posts: 461
    edited August 2012
    Why the heck would they make this a high level, high-shipyard escort, and only put 2 aft weapons on it? What's the purpose in using it? The Patrol Escort is not only free, but superior in pretty much every stat anyway.
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  • lordfuzunlordfuzun Member Posts: 54 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    It is in the roster because some player have asked for me. I'm one of those players who have asked for it.
  • reconalpha1reconalpha1 Member Posts: 59 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    When you look at the Stats the Aquarius is just a +1 Captains escort with weaker shields. Why they chose to have it unlock at Tier 4 is beyond me.
  • reconalpha1reconalpha1 Member Posts: 59 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    lordfuzun wrote: »
    It is in the roster because some player have asked for me. I'm on of those players.

    So this ship is a ?vanity ship? like the Captains yacht were it has no real purpose other than look nice in space.
  • asthalothasthaloth Member Posts: 66 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    It's a Raider, like the bird of prey...

    Now, whether it actually comes with a battle cloak (I don't think it does, but hey, who knows) to make it "Worthwhile" at the loss of hull points, is another matter entirely.
  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99
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    edited August 2012
    asthaloth wrote: »
    It's a Raider, like the bird of prey...

    Now, whether it actually comes with a battle cloak (I don't think it does, but hey, who knows) to make it "Worthwhile" at the loss of hull points, is another matter entirely.

    The stats don't inspire confidence.

    Maybe if it could equip the Science and Tactical Odyssey consoles... (Saucer sep is a stretch.)
  • blitzy4blitzy4 Member Posts: 839 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    I always thought it should be able to summon an Odyssey for a short time, sort of like photonic fleet, but with a specific ship.
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