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blitzsth
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Hello all,
Although I am a new player to this game, I have picked up a lot of knowledge and understanding on how it works. A lot of it has been personal research and some of it from the people in the fleet I joined. However more than a few people never really put as much dedication into the back ground details.
One area in particular is STF and the difference between Normal and Elite. I have found so many new level 50 players jumping into Elite STF without any understanding on how they work or have any decent gear to be able to contribute to the mission goals or Bonus goals.
Too many times, I have asked in chat in an Elite STF if people know what they are doing and too many times, I get the reply "No, this is my first STF"
So I was wondering if the game developers could look into adding STF commendations or a STF skill progress bar. Once a player had earned enough STF normal Commendations or completed enough STF normal to fill the skill bar. Then they could participate in any STF Elites.
Also once they had earn the correct amount, you wouldn't have to re earn or relearn them. It would be like the accolades. This would give the rockie 50s a chance to get to know the STFs and pick up enough gear to make a difference in the Elite.
thanks for reading and comments are welcome.
Although I am a new player to this game, I have picked up a lot of knowledge and understanding on how it works. A lot of it has been personal research and some of it from the people in the fleet I joined. However more than a few people never really put as much dedication into the back ground details.
One area in particular is STF and the difference between Normal and Elite. I have found so many new level 50 players jumping into Elite STF without any understanding on how they work or have any decent gear to be able to contribute to the mission goals or Bonus goals.
Too many times, I have asked in chat in an Elite STF if people know what they are doing and too many times, I get the reply "No, this is my first STF"
So I was wondering if the game developers could look into adding STF commendations or a STF skill progress bar. Once a player had earned enough STF normal Commendations or completed enough STF normal to fill the skill bar. Then they could participate in any STF Elites.
Also once they had earn the correct amount, you wouldn't have to re earn or relearn them. It would be like the accolades. This would give the rockie 50s a chance to get to know the STFs and pick up enough gear to make a difference in the Elite.
thanks for reading and comments are welcome.
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I thought it might have been mentioned before, but thought it might relight the fire in hope it might be looked at again by the developers.
While yes it would be unpleasant to some players. It surely would be more pleasant and beneficial for people with not enough friends or fleet buddies online to get a group together to do an Elite, without the hassle of getting stuck with the random newbies and ending in a complete failed STF.
However I will try your suggestion and look in the SFT Elite chat rooms and see how I get on.
Also I think there needs to be somekind of lets say, practice STFs - no rewards... just somewhere to practice or have someone teach you. I have only done normal so far and have no idea what to expect from an Elite STF and so far I would be one that would have to hold my hand up and say "yep - never done an elite".... and then be made to feel bad like i have the plague.
It's only really idiots that make other players feel like they carry the plague. Most Elite veterans would welcome new players to admit they are new to an instance/raid, as then you can help them by explaining what to expected and what they need to do!
It is very annoying when everything goes wrong and then the new players admit they have never done an Elite STF or worst any STF at all.
As for the difference between normal and Elite, as you might expect Elite STFs the MOBs are harder to take down and they deal a lot more damage, plus you have extra MOBs. Mission/Bonus objective are generally the same, including the time you have to complete them.
It's true everyone deserves to do any STF they want, but for the sake of themselves and others, it is best they wait until they are A ready and B competent to be able to do it.
And as a lot of people can't be trusted to do any of these things, a commendation or skill bar allowance would slow their eagerness/fool heartedness down.
Thanks for the reply and explaination. If i'm honest I want to try an Elite STF but also i'm one of these people who would hate to let people down by not knowing enough to hold my own, from the good remarks I get with my Caitian and Bortasqu i'm probably worring to much and should be ok... though my Klingon crew (with honor guard set minus deflector -yet to drop..Grr ) tend to fight eachother a lot and kill eachother i'm so sure of it as my crew drops like flies even though I have ( i think ) every posible crew recovery console.... darn Klingon crew... reminds me of a deep Space 9 mission with Worf/Dax and Martok where they mutiny untill Martok get his act together with the help of Worf.
just wait for season 6 grind 300 accolade
mark 12 gear in fleet store space and ground advanced of what is in stf store
once store get unlocked elite will be fine
we might be able to get stf ground advance set in star base
I would seriously be all over the idea of training STFs. Right now, I'm running around with my 50, afraid to do STFs because I have no frakking idea what I'm doing, I've heard too many horror stories from fleeties about pugs - and seen too many people (including fleeties) abusing inexperienced players in chat, for mistakes I can easily see myself making due to my lack of experience, but with no place a person can go to learn what mistakes to avoid, what things to do in order to support a fleet, how to outfit your ship for a particular STF (or, for that matter, which ships are recommended for different roles in the different STFs), or even something as simple as which STFs you should do in what order, everything is a matter of trial and error, and with errors being viciously targeted for attacks, I don't have any real incentive AS A PLAYER to involve myself in the hell that is STFs. Everything I've seen, including the lack of training/practice opportunities, makes STFs seem almost as vile as PVP.
While it may be the next logical step in my character's progression, everything I have seen AS A PLAYER is the strongest possible disincentive to STF participation in any way.
On the other hand, STFs that an inexperienced player can participate in for the purpose of learning all the stuff that players get attacked for not somehow absorbing telepathically could go a long way toward reducing that disincentive.
Coffee, chocolate, bacon, and phasers. What more do I need?
oh and Bonus Objectives??? NO NO NO I want to Get done Quick so i can get to my lockout timer faster!
I have seen Somany players flip out because theres new people who dont know or have low lvl gear that are not able todo the missions PERFECT! i dont know why they do that. There gonna have a heart attack over a game. Chill out relax and have fun and help somone out!
And if you go into a STF and dont ask or say Whos done this and what are ya setup for your the idiot not them. Me personaly im setup better for Def of gates ETC ETC. so when i get in ill say Ok i got The def or where im gonna go and what im setup for.
its shame to read posts by people who have a issue helping others out. Makes the whole word Community worthless!
Only thing I'm not enjoying is people sat there in a middle of an STF (space) who have given up or gone AFK or who knows what reason, I'm up to 140 STFs now and haven't seen this untill recently and that is way more frustrating watching someone do nothing and then claim their prise at the end. I will take someone who doesn't no what they are doing but tries there hardest anyday over these peeps that sit there and do nothing.
As a suggestion: maybe there should be different STFs at different accolades, untill you reach the next accolade you can't enter, so rather than just having Normal / Elite we have..
STF - (Basic accolade)
STF - Honor Guard Initiate / Starfleet equivalent
STF - Star Cross / Starfleet equivalent
STF - (Higher accolade)
Sorry for the lack of knowlege on what all the accolades are called but hopefully you get my meaning.
There's something much more thrilling about a close call in an STF. When someone blows a cube early in CSE, and you suddenly have waves of ships heading for Kang, it's touch and go about whether the group will actually be able to save the ship... it's so much more satisfying to win a scenario when there's a chance you might fail.
From my experience, while your words are noble, your attitude is incredibly rare. I have entirely avoided STFs because there is no enjoyment in being subjected to abuse for the crime of being new to a particular form of mission and not having the ability to telepathically absorb the requirements, skill set, and goals of the Uberleet who seem to exist to either run STFs or gank noobs in the PVP scenarios.
Even asking what would be a good fitting for a particular ship you're considering for use in an STF is enough to generate waves of verbal abuse, to the point that there's no point in actually DOING the STF, because you know in advance that the people you'll be doing it with get more pleasure out of abusing inexperienced players than they get out of playing the game. Seriously, why would any rational person want to subject himself to that kind of abuse?
Coffee, chocolate, bacon, and phasers. What more do I need?
Full agreement there, KAE's are probably the most nail bitingest for me. Making sure that the probes don't get though, zipping from one side to the other if other captains aren't watching out for probes and the like. Hit and running cubes that have spawned in... good times.
Like several have suggested, do your homework before going into Elites. Watch Youtube vids, ask around in STF chat channels, find an STF oriented fleet, or ask around if anyone is willing to run a few Elites with you so you can get a better understanding.
Remember, we were all STF Noobs at one point or another. (I was horrible the first bunch of runs on Elite)
There are also a great deal of helpful ship build tips aimed specifically for STF's here on the forums.
Though I do disagree with a Commendation type system, perhaps a minimum of 5-10 runs on Normal in EACH (5 Normal Cure Space, 5 Normal Infected Space...ect ect) before moving onto Elites would be nice. Not a necessity, but would be nice.
Just my thoughts
Member since December 2009
It's true, no change is coming. They don't want to alienate what players they have left.. It dose make me want to stop running STF's though...