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thay8472
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Dont get me wrong i love the new Tholian content.. just have a Q about additional tholian content down the line.
Will the tholians get their own Sector block/s in the future when they get their own Fe's (assuming we get more FE's) deep space encoutners, random dailys etc ?
Will the tholians get their own Sector block/s in the future when they get their own Fe's (assuming we get more FE's) deep space encoutners, random dailys etc ?
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What they could do is establish where Tholian space is and add a few more systems along that area. The Tholians were established to change their borders when it suited them, so a whole slew of systems could give way for a series of border skirmishes and other missions involving them.
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Likewise, it'd be nice to see Breen and Tzenkethi space branch off of the DS9 neighbourhood at some point, as they're both in that region.
http://www.embracingthenerd.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Star_trek_map.jpg
Tholian Space is to the far west of Cardassian space.
-The Milkshake Song: Vulcan Edition
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Indeed, the Vanguard series does a show that Tholian space is bordered by both the Federation and Klingon Empire, so I'd hope that any new sectors are put below the Eta Eridani Sector Block.
I'm interested in seeing if any of the Vanguard stuff is incorporated into the Tholian story, to be honest.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tholian
whenever time travel or the mirror universe is about.. the tholians arnt to far behind.
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Only one problem: Those books aren't canon and the great majority of Star Trek as we know it wasn't established until the 2nd movie and TNG. You could say that in a manner of speaking, TOS has retconned itself out of Trek cannon just because of how cheap it's production values were, and how it's nearly 50 years old, where-as the rest of the series followed one right after another with very little time in between their productions.
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The map you linked to isn't canon either, though.
The TrekLit continuity is probably more reliable, mainly because the Vanguard books were signed off by CBS.
Another thing worth thinking about; in "In a Mirror, Darkly", the Cardassians haven't been discovered by the Terran Empire, but they are aware of the Tholians (probably through the Vulcans). It would make more sense for the Assembly to border onto Terran Empire space - space also occupied by the modern Federation - because it would have taken the Enterprise a long time to get to the Defiant, otherwise.
I'm sorry, but you are very much in the wrong.
Not only does STO use the Star Trek Star Charts as reference when creating Sector Space, CBS / Paramount also used that same map in the Starfleet Academy segment in the TMP Movie DVD Collection.
So since CBS / Paramount has used it twice, therefore it's regarded as canon. And this map very well could find it's way in future Star Trek (afterall this map was created after Enterprise was cancelled).
Well I didn't know that, so I stand corrected!
Nevertheless, the map in that picture doesn't specifically identify the location of Tholian space. According to Memory Alpha, the TNG episode "Reunion" also identifies Tholian space as bordering the Federation and Klingon Empire, but I can't recall exactly what was said there.
If it was to the west of Cardassian space, why would the Tholians be in the Eta Eridani Sector Block? Especially when, if the Assembly bordered the Federation and the Empire, that would be the most appropriate location for them to be.
Edit: Looking at http://www.stdimension.org/int/Cartography/Atlas.htm the Tholian Assembly does seem to border Federation space.
I agree, that fanmade star map is more convincing for the location. However, on that same webpage you was refering to, if you scroll down to the offical TNG Sector Map that Memory Alpha links, shows the Tholian Assembly on opposite sides of the Federation. And that is why the creator of the Star Trek Star Charts put the Tholians near Cardassian space.
So here is the following possibilities:
1) Tholian Space is extended above or below Federation space on the Galactic plane and thus fulfilling it boarding both the Federation or Klingon space.
2) The Klingon Empire and the UFP has territories extending along Tholian Space.
3) The term "borders" isn't meant literally, but figuratively.
That seems to make sense - I couldn't place the other image, so I wasn't sure where it was.
Either way, the most likely solution is that because the Tholian Assembly was never really visited or explored propperly on-screen, there was no need to establish an exact location for it. I mean, the writers have contradicted themselves in the past, and over much more obvious details.
Cryptic really doesn't have to do anything. If you look at the Star Charts, Tholian space is along Gamma Orionis. All they have to do is just add a sector next to Pelia and it will still fulfill that line about "bordering" UFP and Klingon space. Since technically Gamma Orionis is bordering all three factions (and the Borg).
That's true, but it could confuse people now that the Tholians have been introduced near the Neutral Zone, having to get to their territory by using the Transwarp Gateway and travelling that distance might make a few people raise their eyebrows.
Of course, that's assuming they don't add a quicker way to get there, which they probably would. I just think that having the zone entrance in the centre of Eta Eridani makes it easy to access for both factions, regardless of the propper location (I suppose Gamma Orionis could be higher up on the galactic plane, after all)
This is why I consider what is canon and isn't a murky and subjective affair at best, for me, the stuff that stems from the DS9 relaunch, and the stuff in 8 of 5's guide to the Star Trek books excellent flow chart is a good continuation from the TV series. At that point all the authors collaborated and ended up respecting eachothers stories and ellaborating on them, it wasn't like the 90's pocket books era (of which some are still good). DS9 relaunch, Destiny, Lost Era, Typhon pact, Vanguard etc, it all fits in with eachother. Like T'Prynn from Vanguard is in some of Elias Vaughn's flashbacks in the DS9 books from his time with Starfleet Intelligence. I'm not saying it's the only canon, but as far as I'm concerned, it's the most concrete continuation. It can be accepted or dismissed as people see fit of course, but aside from one or two books, the standard of Trek is really, really great. And if you ever wanted to continue on in the Prime Universe as opposed to suffering the depredations of JJ Abrahams, they're definitely the way to go. I love them, and I whole heartedly encourage you, my fellow Trekkers, to check them out. That's where my passion on this subject stems from, not a desire to be right, but to share some really killer Trek stories with fellow Trekkers.
I don't think people really care anymore, after all we had Borg in the middle of Federation Space before they even invaded Gamma Orionis. Then later being everywhere.
Sometimes I feel like they have a dartboard with all the sectors and like "okay, where the dart lands, X happens". :P
Exactly.
Enterprise's In a Mirror, Darkly retroactively puts a serious spin (if you pardon the pun) on the original TOS story, The Tholian Web. It was never clear if the Tholians of the Mirror Universe - who stole the Constitution-class Defiant through a spatial interphase - were at all familiar with the Tholian Assembly of the prime (ours) universe. I wondered what the Assembly made of the interphase situation. Had Kirk and the Enterprise merely fouled the Tholians investigation of the interphase or were they (the Assembly) complicit with their Mirror counterparts?
Does the Tholian Assembly even know what's happening on Nakura?