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alexindcobra
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What up with the map. It seem to not make since because the Klingon Empire is suppose to border Romulan space, Cardasian Space and Federations space. In this game, Cardasian space is on the opposite side of the Federation not near Klingon space. You go up on the map in Cardasan space to get to Orelious Sector but that sector block is lower left of federation Space and southe of Cardasian space. What is this, Pack-man world? You go in on one side and come out on the opposite end?
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And speaking of borders in space is a little bit difficult, because it is endless in all directions. How do you secure such a border?
Here is a map: http://www.stdimension.org/Cartography/Source/chart212e.jpg
I would say the Federation is between Cardassian and Klingon space, but it is really hard to tell.
"What are his rights in this century? Will there be a trial or shall I execute him?" - Worf
Also, the Klingons, if they wanted to, could have cut through the lower part of the Sirius Block into Cardassian Space. The Federation was at peace with them during Klingon/Cardassian War, so there was no reason why they wouldn't cut through their space.
true they should have and I am sure that will happen once 3d maps are added since space is 3d after all.
Just because its a game don't mean it can't follow some canonism. I played almost all the Star Trek games and their maps follow canonism. Why make excuses for this game?
You are right, I'am sorry
"What are his rights in this century? Will there be a trial or shall I execute him?" - Worf
Keep in mind that there was never an official map showing the political territories of the galaxy ever released in the first place. Only supplemental materials that barely describe where everything is already. I myself have an official Star Trek Technical Manual that was made back in the 1960s. It only covers the Original Series, but it shows a good portrayal of how large Federation space is (See that gigantic swath of Blue on the map that we can't access? That's all Fed territory) as well as showing Klingon territory on the south side and Romulan territory on the east side of the map.
You can find a little bit more info on the galaxy map in the thread I made last week about where Gamma Orionis is located.
However, there have been numerous hints throughout the series that accurately places Cardassian space right where it is: On the south-western portion of Federation territory.
-The Milkshake Song: Vulcan Edition
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
You go out of your cabin, go half a mile to one direction, turn 90 degrees to the left, go another half-mile, turn left again and go another half-mile and end up at your cabin. You go in, drink tea and suddenly you see a bear in the window - what color is the bear? ** stop here and try to solve it just for fun
So, the bear must be white, because you only turned left twice (e.g., you did a U shape) and not 3 times (which would make a full square) - so you must be at one of the poles - south->east/west->north would work for the north pole while north->east/west->south would work for the south pole.
Same way here - the 2D representation can be weird in some ways - the Orelious Sector could easily be "below" federation space, while the cardasian territory, as well as the neutral zone , could have a sausage shape. Similar explanation goes for the Romulan-Klingon border. Sectors are 3D bent cubes, so nothing says the border must look like a continuous 1D line on the map, or that it has to go through the whole above-below third axis the same way.
As a side-note, if you live on a donut-shaped surface (unlike the sphere-shaped one), then if you go "up" on the map you'd eventually find yourself down again. Just like on earth - you go to the right (East) on the map, you'll eventually end up making a full circle and popping out of the left-side of the map (which is why the "western world" is to the east of the US, whereas the "far east" is to the west of it). So, again, old games like pacman are actually modeled using a donut-shaped world instead of a sphere-shaped one.
LLAP
-The Milkshake Song: Vulcan Edition
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Flat and also sparse - despite how many inhabited systems Star Trek shows, there's relatively few places where one's above another at the same point on the galactic plane because many systems are empty. Not entirely realistic, but with some fuzzy borders it makes things easier to represent in the simplistic infographic style they usually showed on viewscreens.
Anyway, cusashorn's links show some of the maps. Here's a link to the larger version from the same book, showing both quadrants.
But even from the shows, Cardassia is in the Alpha Quadrant, the Klingon and Romulan Empires are in the Beta Quadrant, and the Federation spans both. The maps shown on Cardassian screens in DS9 only showed a Federation border, with most of the war zone being in Federation space.
The dialog doesn't add up, though. It has everyone sharing a border with everyone else somewhere. The writing through the Dominion War was frequently quite good, but the writers also abandoned any idea of knowing where things were in relation to each other. After all, the allies called themselves the Alpha Quadrant, despite the fact that doing so would be like the Allies in WWII calling themselves Africa because one of them had colonies there.
It's actually there, sort of. The FASA map is very different than that map, with the Klingon Empire "south" of Earth and straddling the quadrant line, and the Romulan Empire about where the Klingons are, with Orion space wedged in the middle somewhere and a horizontally arranged Federation.
On the map I linked, the Triangle would be right next to the Azure Nebula. In STO it would be closer to the Hromi Cluster if the map were filled in.