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In response to all of the T5 Connie threads
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Hello, I'm SFC3. You may not know me, but if you do, I'm that guy who won a lot of awards at Friday's social event.
Now anyways, I've been lurking on the forums and seeing a lot of T5 Connie threads. I just want to make sure you know I don't want a sticking T5 Connie. We can't have a T5 Connie. That's the TOS Constitution, and T1 as well.
We can possibly get a T5 Connie REFIT. Now, before you start hating, let me tell you something. The Constitution Refit is the best ship design of the entirety of the Star Trek universe. Now, a idea of how it would work would be easy.
There would be a T5 Connie Refit in the Fleet store, as a retrofit. The retrofit wouldn't be as good as the one you could get in C-Store, or worse, it could be a lockbox. (I hope not)
The T5 Cruiser Retrofit would have the Refit skin, the Exeter skin, and the Excalibur and Vesper classes. It would have better stats to bring it on par with the Excelsior and Galaxy classes. It wouldn't be too powerful, but powerful enough for endgame VA's.
Now, the C-Store (or lockbox, but I sincerely hope not) version would be called Constitution Class Cruiser and it would include phasers like in The Wrath of Khan, something I like to call "pulse phasers":
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060622224445/startrek/images/8/8e/WoK_Enterprise.jpg
Also, it would come with a console, "Energize Defense Grids" like in The Wrath of Khan shortly before the Enterprise got the TRIBBLE beat out of her (sadly). It would add +10 percent shield bonus, and protect all crew while in combat for 5 seconds.
It would be the normal 2000 CP (or should I say ZEN? :P) and be designed for VA 50.
The stats of the ship would be a little better than the Retrofit, but not too much.
Well, that brings this Connie Refit Thread to a close. I just want a Constitution class refit retrofit or something. Anything. I'm desperate.
Now anyways, I've been lurking on the forums and seeing a lot of T5 Connie threads. I just want to make sure you know I don't want a sticking T5 Connie. We can't have a T5 Connie. That's the TOS Constitution, and T1 as well.
We can possibly get a T5 Connie REFIT. Now, before you start hating, let me tell you something. The Constitution Refit is the best ship design of the entirety of the Star Trek universe. Now, a idea of how it would work would be easy.
There would be a T5 Connie Refit in the Fleet store, as a retrofit. The retrofit wouldn't be as good as the one you could get in C-Store, or worse, it could be a lockbox. (I hope not)
The T5 Cruiser Retrofit would have the Refit skin, the Exeter skin, and the Excalibur and Vesper classes. It would have better stats to bring it on par with the Excelsior and Galaxy classes. It wouldn't be too powerful, but powerful enough for endgame VA's.
Now, the C-Store (or lockbox, but I sincerely hope not) version would be called Constitution Class Cruiser and it would include phasers like in The Wrath of Khan, something I like to call "pulse phasers":
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060622224445/startrek/images/8/8e/WoK_Enterprise.jpg
Also, it would come with a console, "Energize Defense Grids" like in The Wrath of Khan shortly before the Enterprise got the TRIBBLE beat out of her (sadly). It would add +10 percent shield bonus, and protect all crew while in combat for 5 seconds.
It would be the normal 2000 CP (or should I say ZEN? :P) and be designed for VA 50.
The stats of the ship would be a little better than the Retrofit, but not too much.
Well, that brings this Connie Refit Thread to a close. I just want a Constitution class refit retrofit or something. Anything. I'm desperate.
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If you think it's ridiculous beause it wouldn't fit in this universe, timeline, or whatever, then you'll see my point.
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Hmm now that sounds like "a sticky situation":D
That's why a lot of people are now asking for a refit of the T2 cruiser without the Constitution skin. Unfortunately Cryptic doesn't respond to that or answers that CBS doesn't allow Constitutions at T5. What that has to do with the Excalibur and Vesper is anyone's guess.
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What you or I want doesnt matter at all. CBS said no T5 connie, so thats the end of that story. However the Excalibur and Exeter *arent* connies, and if every other T2 ship is getting a T5 fleet version there is no reason they should not either. Thats really all there is to it. And that has *nothing* to do with the T5 connie issue.
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CBS stated that there would be no T5 TOS "Connie" as they hold exclusive rights to that ship design.
Now the TMP "Connie" is a Viacom/Paramount ship design that is share licensed with CBS from their split in 2005.. as such, CBS can not give exclusive refusal on that ship hull (or the Miranda hull)... the refusal would have to come from Viacom/Paramount.
Cryptic/PWE on the other hand has stated that there would be no upgraded TOS or TMP "Connie" or Miranda hulls while citing CBS's refusal on the TOS "Connie" hull.
Just to clear things up.
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I have never seen *any* distinction made between the TOS and TMP in any Dev post or interview saying that CBS will not allow a T5 connie. If you have a link to a specific statement that makes that distinction, please share. However, as I have followed the dev posts and interviews pretty closely, IMO what you just said is a complete urban legend that someone made up.
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The distinction is that CBS produced, aired, and have exclusive rights to the TOS material, TNG material, Voyager material, DS9 material, and Enterprise material.
Viacom/Paramount on the other hand Produced, filmed, released to theaters and hold all rights to any Trek Movie material.
The Viacom/Paramount Trek Movie License is a joint license between them and CBS with Viacom holding the deciding portion due to production of the movies while CBS was a partner company. In 2005, Paramount/Viacom and CBS split ways.. CBS retained all rights to the TV episodes and materials, but also recieved a Shared license with Paramount for the Trek Movie Material with Paramount holding the proprietary portion of those rights.
This is why CBS was able to use TMP hull designs in the TV series, however it does not give CBS the ability to refuse TMP material from being "Escalated" to higher tiers, as example, the Excelsior Class is being escalated, it is a Viacom/Paramount hull design, not CBS.
The Devs are not making a distinction between TOS and TMP "Connies" because they just state "Connie" as an all inclusive statement for 2 different hull designs from 2 different companies and can get by stating that CBS refuses that the "Connie" be raised into a higher tier without having to make the actual distinction between hull designs, it is a Dev decision, just as it is the Dev's decision not to escalate the Viacom/Paramount "Miranda" hull design.
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Believe me, I understand the IP division between CBS and Paramount. I've explained this to other people before. However what you are missing is that when STO started development(in 2004), CBS owned both the TV series *and* the movies. That being the case, STO's legal deal is with CBS only, and has nothing to do with Paramount. And because of that, it is CBS only who gets to approve or deny ship tiers in this game. That includes both TOS and TMP connies as well as every other ship.
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The same question could be asked of all the other T2 ships that they are adding T5 versions of to the fleet store. The fact is, none of them are *needed*, but people simply *want* them.
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The game needs some diversity, that's a fact. Different ships mean different builds and different opponents, but you're only asking for a skin. This ship already exists, and you can use it in 95% of the missions. I really don't see the point of all this, that's illogical.
BTW you should better ask for a holo emitter with severe restrictions on it (specific missions, maybe some new dailies), it could work better than asking for the same thing again and again.
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Incorrect. The T5 versions of the T2 ships that will be in the fleet store will have actual T5 stats, not simply look like the T2 versions.
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Sure, that's not what i meant. I just said you could already play 95% of the game with the T2 constitution, you just need to be willing to do it. This is why I'm really wondering about your goals...
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agreed. im tired of hearing that.
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Stupid question: Did you ever actually fight a Borg cube or any other boss vessel at max level with a T2 Constitution?
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Thank you. Agreed.
Who? What? Cares?
It's simple the "Connie" is iconic, more so than a D-7. You don't mess with things like this, unless a sense of "National Pride" allows you to slap on a Wave Motion Drive, and you can fly off to Iscandar. :rolleyes:
YES PLEASE!!!! To add to that, on this map only anytime you activate the power "Security Escort", they all look like Tasha Yar.
What is being missed is, all IP legal mumbo jumbo aside, the same company owns both license holders, it's not impossible......
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Nothing holds to the word "Iconic" like the Connie, it should not be messed with, it should be left alone and treated with respect. There was a reason true trekkies got tears in their eyes when she burned up in ST3 and again when the "B" was shown at the end of ST4.
May she rest in peace.
I just accept it like a retired jersey on a sports team. Does not make me happy but I do.
Now if they were to add a T4+1 or better Connie to the fleet store I would be over joyed, as I would finally be able to use that snazzy TOS interior package I wasted money on, but I do not expect it. I do not even have the heart to ask for it any more.
LOL I started to say the same dang thing also. Its like some Hollywood star who says "I im an academy award winner and my opinion is <insert some garbage>". So your famous for doing something and that makes your opinion better than mine or anyone elses?
I did Cry. I broke down in the Theater....
You and me are like right there >.>====<.<
I have given up ever being able to use my TOS unis and bridge and ship at any level other than 1 to 16 or so..
I would settle for a Exeter.... Just so i got something that remotely looks like my connie
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It was the last movie that taught us that nothing is sacred anymore.
I said I did, I've played Infected space normal in a Miranda (which is even worse) several times. Of course I wasn't alone. But no one ever complained about it.
I also played some of the romulan front mission at VA level with the Miranda. Not a big deal, it's just a bit long and tedious, but I have to admit I had a lot of fun doing that.
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