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omegascifer
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Hey guys I have very little information but I am looking for expert opinions on how this was done.
I just ran in a Capture and hold match with a PUG, now i know we were up against a Pre Made Team just by watching the co-ordination and team play, so no surprise we got slaughtered lol. But there was two things that got may attention.
The first was I caught a lone Defiant, we went head to head for a while and I couldn't get threw his shields, but then after a bit two other teammates joined this fight so it was one Defiant against me in a T5 Akria, a Deep Space Sci, and an MVAE. But again all three of us could not get threw his shields that battle took like 2 mins.
The second was at the end, one player had 800,000 Damage and 600,000 Healing. I dunno what he was flying. I know the individually the numbers that player put out are not unheard of but I have never seen BOTH that high.
So how can a Defiant be that resilient to tank three people, and are numbers like that normal for high end players?
Now I will say I do know allot of my teammates had low damage, I myself was not threw the roof but still ok at 300,000 in that match. I do not think I am a top end PVPer by any means but I can hold my own very well, but these too things really struck me.
I am not one you yell HACKS!! I just want to know how to do these things.
Any thoughts?
I just ran in a Capture and hold match with a PUG, now i know we were up against a Pre Made Team just by watching the co-ordination and team play, so no surprise we got slaughtered lol. But there was two things that got may attention.
The first was I caught a lone Defiant, we went head to head for a while and I couldn't get threw his shields, but then after a bit two other teammates joined this fight so it was one Defiant against me in a T5 Akria, a Deep Space Sci, and an MVAE. But again all three of us could not get threw his shields that battle took like 2 mins.
The second was at the end, one player had 800,000 Damage and 600,000 Healing. I dunno what he was flying. I know the individually the numbers that player put out are not unheard of but I have never seen BOTH that high.
So how can a Defiant be that resilient to tank three people, and are numbers like that normal for high end players?
Now I will say I do know allot of my teammates had low damage, I myself was not threw the roof but still ok at 300,000 in that match. I do not think I am a top end PVPer by any means but I can hold my own very well, but these too things really struck me.
I am not one you yell HACKS!! I just want to know how to do these things.
Any thoughts?
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The defiant isn't that tough without either an exploit running (or more than one)
or a couple of healers fixing him all the time
I spent ages the other day trying to kill a ground PVP opponent who had slipped INTO a wall and was spawning turrets and waiting for us to die
I hate to think it was a hack
Edit: @Sonicshower
Ya I would like too but the end game always kicks you out too fast, my first look is always at all the end game reports. And try to judge myself in comparison to the others and see where I am lacking stats wise.
Hopefully who ever takes over the PVP overhaul will allow up to keep access to that longer or leave when we choose to.
A couple of Tac teams two EP2S and a TSS, could go a long way to giving that impression. Tac teams are redistribute shields on steroids, the EP2S will give a small instant heal and more importantly harden shields and the TSS will heal shields over time. Now keybind the two EP2Ss and Redistribute Shields to your space bar. No reason to bring Voldemort into this. Again quit reading tea leaves.
Edited to add: Like Sonicshower said DOFFs can factor in as well. Get three purple Shield Distribution DOFFs and occasionally when you hit Brace for Impact you get a shield regen that makes the Borg kit's look anemic.
Oh and try the Borg kit to optimise how often your DOFF shield regen procs.
on a side note, i have maybe 1 team heal on my negvhar, the rest are just EPTS3 and whatnot. I typically 'outheal' everyone on my team even though im not totally specced out to heal, it's just the way the scoring works
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i will also regularly top 700,000 damage and 500,000 healing in a 15-20 minute arena match
high damage numbers come from timing and stacking your tac buffs on the right target, like when his tac team goes on cooldown and after his rsp or whatever...
and healing numbers can be greatly skewed by the brace for impact shields distribution doffs.
and if you think those numbers are high, then you will never want to run into MT or Aytanhi.
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Funny thing is that is what I had going lol.. I use a Key bind to keep 2 TT1 going basically 100% of the time with a EP2S2 and Brace4Impact while triggering TSS manually when I need it. Also run 2 part Borg with the Borg shields and Two part Omega Force set with two Shield Disputation Doffs one V. Rare and on Rare.
To be honest this was only my Third or Forth Cap and Hold, usually just play arena. So I guess the longer matches is what changes the game a lot. And ya no I have seen higher far higher but usually not both, but as you said a long Cap and Hold might the key as to why I don't usually see that. Also alot my team having something like 10-15 deaths didn't hurt I guess
unless your subnuked, tractored, and crono proced, all at once. the 1 down side of the borg set is that its not a hyper engine, so you cant run worth a TRIBBLE.
ya, game is broke when you can run this stuff and be invincible in a pug. you can thank the doffs and borg set for that, these things can easily give you sky high heal numbers too.
1 Run the heals you can... My layout is for heals is
Hazards 1
Transfer shield strength 2
and Emergency Power to Shields 1
2 use your aux heals at full aux settings.... 9 times out of ten I run at full aux setting when I use my hazards and my tss... this means my hazards tick for closer to low aux hazards 3 numbers... it makes a big difference over the length of the standard cap and hold.
3 Doffs that provide healing.... honesty on that build I don't run them but most defiant players you mean will be running 3 Shield Distribution doffs... those alone can easily account for 300-600k in healing alone.
4 Borg set... he may have only been running 2 pieces... but if he was running 3 or more the borg hull and shield procs could again rack up massive numbers. The more you shoot at some one the more they proc. On my escorts my borg hull heal (and shield when I run 3 piece) constantly go off as often as there global allows... cause in general I am always under fire.
I also love to carry 20 AuxBats especially on my Raptors, escorts and BoPs. I use them to "spike heal" by hitting the AuxBat just before I drop HE and TSS. This way you can heal almost like a cruiser without changing your power settings.
If you can get it, the Red Matter Capacitor makes an alright back up for when your AuxBat is in cooldown. Collectors additions of STO can still be found on Amazon that will give you the code for the RMC, for less than twelve dollars.
I Really should get on that.. but at the same time I dunno if I should I already have the Graviton Pulse Gen, and the Torpedo Point Defense System.. I don't wanna get too loaded down those types of consoles...though I guess in PVP the TPDS is something I could drop..
RMC is a device not a console.
i exaggerate of course, but you get the point.
this is merely a case of someone knowing how to pilot. and some who are not sure how he has become good.
husanak posted a few back, that guy will continually outperform (by a large margin) 95% of people he is teamed with, or teamed against.
Ahhh.. well I don't have it so didn't look into it too much aside from what it does.
Also do you guys creep the shipyard forums? I was thinking for posting up my build soon but want a more PvP style opinion then PvE. Try to decide if I should post it in here or the shipyard.
the defiant IS a tough little ship!
(no really, trust me, it is!)
And ofc 2xTT, and running all his power to shields and engines, and maneuvering smart to avoid taking too much DHC.
Far too many underestimate the importance of maneuvering (turning and speed) in a dogfight... it's like they never flew a WW1 plane game... :? If you do it right, against a pilot with the exactly same ship/setup as you, but running at a constant speed, you can get in twice as much DHC time as him.
If you do it right you should be able to keep your dhc on target much more... as well as staying the heck out of cannon arcs... I also like to pay attention to the position of the local sci Captain... twisting around when I know they are trying really hard to nuke me and popping them before they can gets me high. Really better then any artificial high I have had. lol
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=4039502&postcount=22
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Last 2 matches I did play C&H yesterday where about 1-1.5M damage and like 1M healing.
The matches last long so its not that illogical on how and why.
But also if some good player joins a C&H, the other 95% of the players there just dont even know how to distribute their shields. So its very easy to come out and top every1 in the statistics that way.
Seriously I've had escorts out heal my support boat, simply because of shield distribution officers.
C&H matches tend to be more spread out with less focus to worry about so escort heals have the potential to max out their durations unimpeded.
EPTS1 and 2 +tac team = ludicrous tanking potential.
especially if he had the "evasive " skil wich caused you to miss more
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C&H is THE place for mediocre players to stroke their ego. There is always a lot of inexperienced players there, and if you gang up with someone and go searhing for strays, you can roflstomp all day, even if you're only an averagely skille player.