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How large is the active PvP community in STO? Numbers?
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How many active PvPers are there in STO? My guess:
As people here actually say "he cannot do PvP, as I have not seen him on the queues", the active PvP community cannot be really much larger than maybe two to three hundred people. Which, commercially speaking, would not not even be irrelevant. It'd be ridiculous. So maybe PvP just deserves neglect in favor of PvE AI improvements.
What would you say? How many people can there possibly be, from your experience?
As people here actually say "he cannot do PvP, as I have not seen him on the queues", the active PvP community cannot be really much larger than maybe two to three hundred people. Which, commercially speaking, would not not even be irrelevant. It'd be ridiculous. So maybe PvP just deserves neglect in favor of PvE AI improvements.
What would you say? How many people can there possibly be, from your experience?
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So a few hundreds (and a small few at that) sounds about reasonable. I hope it's not too optimstic, actually.
If it had not been neglected for 2 years or more, it may have been different.
It's a shame too, the PvP in this game is pretty good. At least on the ship side.
It's been neglected since day one, which is one of the reasons there aren't that many active PvPers. A good portion of the golden oldies have gotten so sick and tired of it, they've got up and left for pastures anew.
As for AI improvements, it'd be real nice, but it still wouldn't match the amount of fun you have when fighting another player, win or lose. Heck, that's why PvP is so addictive and why PvPers still play even with all the issues that many complain incessantly about. That tolerance only goes so far though, before people decide it's time to kick the habit.
Basically Cryptic has ignored it for so long, they have effectively been killing it off. A shame really as it's the ONLY end game content that isn't about the grind. Each fight is different, needs different tactics and as such each fight is a new experience and fun because of it. While I do enjoy STFs, at the end of the day there's nothing unexpected about them (to twist siskos words, if you know the outcome of a match, there's isn't much point to the match). Doesn't help they are all about the Borg.
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Why do you post TRIBBLE like this in the pvp forums? You really love stirring up the anger of this community on a daily basis. As trolls go, your one of the worst I've seen.
Ppl dont see you in the queues because your usually too busy in here trying to defend your build instead of in the queue's proving it...
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Then I read the second line and started all over again...
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And the reason I say your post is a troll has nothing to do with the numbers, but your bad taste to post that pvp should not be developed any further IN THE PVP FORUMS. Go to the pve forums where your "revelation" will be better met.
Don't forget, this is the guy that posted a thread in the Klingon Gameplay forum saying KDF should be content with the Foundry. The constant demand for KDF content - why?
Just more of the same.
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The question isn't how many people are using PvP in its current state, but how many people would use it if it was a quality product? Arguably, they're getting nearly all they are going to get out of PvEers using their current model. It's a matter of generating new products to sell them and by focusing on the fleet stuff they've given PvEers something to do (ie retain them). But, that's not really growth, it's retention. If they want to expand it seems PvP would be the area more likely to generate new revenue faucets.
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Their problem is what Borticus alludes to in the 10 escorts thread - the expected numbers players can reach (damage and healing wise) are way out of what the original design expected. So NPCs deal pathetic damage and have pathetic healing against incredible damage and incredible healing.
If the numbers would not be so far apart, even a dumb AI can provide some challenge. In the current state of things, it would not help much raising NPC hit points/resistances or firepower considerably. It would just mean that only some Elite players would have a chance to beat NPCs (and they'd probably still be bored in the end). We've seen what happens when the Devs put out an enemy that has a bit more solid build with the D'Deridex Defenders. Basically, they first need to drag down all those powers down tot he level of the "non-Elite" players, so that the difference between fully buffed and unbuffed is no longer (warning: All numbers are made up and just illustrative) 500 % or more, but more something like 50 % and more. And the tune the difficulty that you need something like +25 % from buff to beat the hardest single player NPC on Normal, so that normal players just have to think a bit about their power use, and on harder difficulies, you may need all of those buffs perfectly rotated and timed.
Of course, that's only one of 3 problems currently with the AI/PvE
It's terrible but easy, and these Borg are way cooler than the mess STO and Voyager left us.
"So maybe PvP just deserves neglect in favor of PvE AI improvements.
What would you say? How many people can there possibly be, from your experience?"
Its prolly more than you think and less than I think but IMO its because of that neglect that
we are in the place we are with PvP.
Its also my opinion that the PvP revamp that is suppose to be on the way is a direct result
of a higher than expected turnover at the VA\LG lvl.
And although thay have stated that PvP could be removed from the game with few ill effects I also think cryptic/PWE know that PvP makes for great endgame content because
when its all said and done once you have done all the STF's ad-nausem,Doffed your brains
out and have went through all the grinding content whats left...............PvP.
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I know you're not very smart. You've said as much so I suppose I should go easy on you.
First off you're just making numbers up. Plain and simple you're making numbers up for the sake of a discussion based on those made up numbers. Please just stop doing so it is ridiculous.
If you're going to make some some assumptions that are actually reasonable that would be different. But you're not you're making the ones you want to and then setting the entire world in perfect order based on them.
So please stop trying to sound intelligent or informed. You clearly aren't.
So to anyone that bothers to read the drivel that you post and perhaps just came in halfway and doesn't realize it....
He's making things up to inflame the forums, move along there's nothing to discuss.
Here's some things that aren't made up.
http://www.mmorpg.com/blogs/pwe_dvorak/082011/21949_Jade-Dynasty-Unveils-Second-Annual-Global-PvP-Tournament.html
I guess there's some money to be made by developing that sort of thing. Who knew? Some profoundly held back troll or an international corporation?
PWE is a MMO producer... they make the majority of there money on MMO titles, which shockingly feature a ton of PvP. (in general its well done pvp even... perhaps minus a little heavy handed P2W.)
As a developer PvP players are in general worth 1.5x as much revenue wise vs a PvE only player. The reasons are simple... retention, and cost of develeopment. Yes developers continue to add PvE content to MMOs, however adding content in general is more expensive then not adding content. (PvP).
Game Developers have nice little formulas for client retention... they involve time frames number of players and amount of content added... and people slowly drop off. This is why even older games still advertise and do there best to bring in fresh blood. (the advertisers have very strict recruitment numbers based on those formulas, they understand month to month if there game will grow in 6 months based on retention math) PvP only players are loved by companies like PWE, they can be retained with minimum cash maintenance.
Make no mistake PWE is planning to launch STO hard into more Asian markets... it is logical. However it is obvious that they are hesitant to do so with out the PvP portion of the game being on par with the titles those markets are already playing. Gozer may not be the man who is going to make a bunch of PvP corrections... however I think you can be assured that someone working for Cryptic will. To be honest I am shocked that PWE didn't FORCE Cryptic to expand PvP the second they completed their purchase.
I would also note that space PvP consists of two missions types and a total of four maps. PWE says that the PvP population is about 20%. So 20% of the populations plays in less than half a percent of the game. 20% of the population has seen zero percent of development in the last year and a half.
I will also put forth the belief that the PvP has diminished significantly over the last year due to lack of PvP development.
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What came first...
The lack of PvP population...
Or the lack of PvP content.
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In these sessions, i very rarely see anyone i recognize. maybe 0 to 5 handles i remember. (i always check handles) The others are always someone new to me. This leads me to believe that every week I meet about 100-200 players that are new to me.
But what IS a pvp'er? Ok, maybe only 0.5% of the playerbase pvp's every day, but what about those who pvp one day per week? 10%? or once per month? 25%?
Say a player base of 100k in this scenario:
- 500 players per day from the daily players
- 1429 players per day from the weekly players
- 833 players per day from the monthly players
so in this scenario, the casual players are the majority... much like how pvp feels...
how likely is this scenario? almost 3000 players per day? Lets say most players play one match, one match takes 10 players and lasts 10 minutes. Now that's 300 matches, 6 matches per hour, = 50 hours worth of pvp per 24 hours. Roughly 2 matches going on at any given time. This would mean the average que would be 5 minutes....
OK, it's getting late, and I may have screwed up some of the math, but my conclusion is this: the matches going down in STO requires a daily lot of 3000 players. (actually this is what's requred for the space arenas only!) Most likely, the majority of these players pvp infrequently. (once a week to once per month)
The question is where we draw the line? How much do you have to pvp to be included in the statistics? I think we actually have thousands of semi-active players in pvp!
You had to que for 45-60 mins as a fed to get some PvP
That was why I rolled my first klingon
Later they introduced Fed vs Fed because people who were fed complained they could not ./target hale I believe
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http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=4260460
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