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A Thought on STF Gear Gating
leviathan99
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What if collecting a full tier set gave you a discount on the next set?
Mk X costs 20. Mk XI costs 40. I imagine Mk XII will be 60 or 80 once they add that to the store and introduce Mk XIII drops.
Honestly, the current system encourages skipping sets. There's no real reason to collect Mk X gear. Even with Omega Force where you get a costume, you get the same costume with more pieces at Mk XI. (It isn't like you'd want to go back and get Mk X.)
Mk X costs 20. Mk XI costs 40. I imagine Mk XII will be 60 or 80 once they add that to the store and introduce Mk XIII drops.
Honestly, the current system encourages skipping sets. There's no real reason to collect Mk X gear. Even with Omega Force where you get a costume, you get the same costume with more pieces at Mk XI. (It isn't like you'd want to go back and get Mk X.)
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I have no interest in being forced to get sub-par gear before being allowed to get others.
If I want a fancy $1,000 suit, I shouldn't be forced to first buy the $250 suit, then the $500 suit, then the $750 suit following that.
I should just be allowed to save myself unnecessary hassle, time money, and rage and just get the damn suit I wanted to begin with.
"Yes, I fly a Galaxy-X... and yes, I just 1-shotted you with it." -- Alcione@Hakaishin
Okay... so if I buy the $1000 suit and a new $1500 suit comes out, I should be able to trade in the first to get a discount on the second?
I can swing that. Makes more sense.
"Yes, I fly a Galaxy-X... and yes, I just 1-shotted you with it." -- Alcione@Hakaishin
While I agree the current system encourages skipping sets, when I start running a character through ground for the first time I generally buy the MK X set right off the bat and ignore the MK XI unless I get rare tech.
Reasons for this:
1) I collect the necessary EDCs from Space STFs first, I largely prefer space to ground.
2) Running ground without the instant remod makes ground even less enjoyable - it's a borderline must-have IMO.
So for the price of 60, as opposed to 120, EDCs I can grab the MK X set which is not all that much inferior to the MK XI set - and I get the most important bit of all, instant re-modulation.
equal parts cynical and helpful
It's not like the elites are any harder than normal... my 5 year old son just spams spacebar through it for me while I watch Neflix and does just fine.
"Yes, I fly a Galaxy-X... and yes, I just 1-shotted you with it." -- Alcione@Hakaishin
Try spamming spacebar on ground stfs.
But seriously though, it's about a sense of achievment which I believe can add to a game, having elite stfs allowing player to earn MK XII sets will make them more than just another daily dilithium grind.
I'm afraid I can't agree there. The "sense of achievement" wears off phenomenally quickly once you've realised that you haven't gotten the XII set because you're fantastic at the games, but because you happened to roll a hard six with the die. Don't confuse "achievement" with "luck". I managed to pull a full ground set in four days of playing on my main toon, yet I've been trying for months to get the same set on alts.
I'd imagine that a player who has ground 300 stfs for the proto tech is just as experienced a player and worthy of the set as someone who has ground out 300 EDCs (I know they probably wouldn't cost that much, but go with it) for the same set.
Making the XII sets EDC dependent would make it entirely a question of dedication, commitment and skill. As it stands it's more to do with how lucky you are at the end of a run. For me there's no achievement in staring at my stack of 3 proto shield techs, and wondering why the hell I haven't gotten a single other tech.
At no point did I say it should remain a roll of the die random drop. What I was said was that instead of EDC, make the MK XII drops obtainable from proto salvage:
This would mean that a player has played the elite STFs and earned the set via elite STFs.
I myself had to grind out hundreds of STFs before I got my set on one character and I run a rotation of 4-5 characters through stfs and to date only 2 of those characters have full sets.
I wish that STFs would dump the random drop system as much as anyone else as I am tired of logging on to an alt that I have ran IGE 100s of times with and still not got that drop while my friend gets his 7th character setted.
I can certainly understand why one might want to restrict access to the set to elite runs, but it's been said before that normal and elite barely differ - the space STFs really are simply a matter of smart targeting and spacebar spamming (which for some inexplicable reason, I constantly find myself doing, despite autofire). While I'll admit that elite ground runs often take a little more skill, they still offer little challenge over their normal counterpart. On that basis I'm not sure I like the idea of restricting access to someone who's pretty much done the same amount of work (though on that same basis I'm not sure why anyone even bothers with normal STFs). Personally I'm inclined to think that whether you've run 50 elite STFs or 100 normal STFs, you deserve the same reward.
Then of course there's the fact that proto salvage are still chance drops - significantly higher than their tech counterparts, but rolls of the die nonetheless. The same outcome could therefore be achieved simply increasing the drop chances of the existing tech. Not to mention the fact that I personally have 80+ proto salvage sitting around collecting dust on a single toon, and though I'd love to have something to do with them other than obtaining anti-borg gear and extra dilithium for those rare days I don't quite manage to collect enough for the refinement cap, I don't want to use them for the XII set.
They're easy to get, really, and that does somewhat dilute the "sense of achievement" you alluded to earlier. I don't want my tech easy to get, just less of a gamble. I said before that 300 EDCs is still a bloody good indicator of commitment, dedication and skill (though I reiterate that I wouldn't actually want them to cost that much). I won't really be happy until chance is removed from the equation entirely, as it isn't an indicator of commitment, dedication and skill, and this just wouldn't happen if the XII set were salvage dependent.