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Does anyone have an idea on how to get to Earth Spacedock on a KDF toon? (Character) I Would like to go there on KDF and I know im not alone, it will be fun killing the NPCs or meeting up with a friend on the Federation Side and already on ESD 
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I think most of the sectors will be opened to both Feds and Klinks, so that's something to look forward to
And why not? I think that it would be fun. And make an accolade out of it, like in WoW, where you get it if you manage to kill the factions leaders (Quinn and J'mpok). I had many a good time trying to kill off Thrall and his buddies just to get that nice black bear. I know many Care Bears would balk at this, but I personally think that it would bring some much needed PvP fun and let us experience an actual WAR for a change.
Because STO is not WoW, and STO has already stated if you don't want to do PvP, you will never have to. Allowing factions to attack each others' bases would be forcing pvp.
That being said, I would love to have it myself, or at least an "instanced" version similar to current warzones. i.e. you and your buddies can stage an assault on your enemy's base, and they can defend.
Fun? sure. But from the other side of the coin, can you imagine how frustrating it would be if you couldn't train your BOs because the trainer is dead? Or if you managed to get 5 people together, and find that the fleet ambassador is not there? Or if you couldn't visit the tailor, or buy hypos, or exchange emblems/badges?
Dstahl mentioned something about a practice/dummy range for weapon testing. You can have your fun there when it gets implemented. The dummies will probably look like Fed and KDF officers.
If you applied an area buff that made everyone friendly (an opposite of the Empok Nor volume effect that makes everyone hostile or, basically, whatever you did at the Captain's Table and Drosana) you could both avoid that problem and give diplomats something to do with their new Diplomatic Immunity buff that will allow cross faction visits to Sirius/Gamma Orionis. The big thing you'd want to do then is gate the ship requisition and crafting areas to actual faction.
If the concern is that it wouldn't work with Marauding or NPC dialogues, a fun thing might be to make it so visiting Fed Diplomats get a cautiously welcome greeting, mixed with insults, and a visiting Marauding Klingon gets treated like a notorious pirate who is only being tolerated because Quinn is allowing them to show up for a negotiation about ending the piracy and/or the release of prisoners/hostages.
+ 1
Yay for Cryptic keeping the griefers away from mission givers!
And even if they put in a way to keep the players from killing other players it would still cause a problem. Want to finish a mission with Adm Quinn? Have to wait until he respawns and hope you can finish it before the klingons kill him again. Was a pain in the butt in WoW and would be a pain in the butt here
We do outnumber the KDF 10 to 1 or so... you would not be able to get a single thing done you know...
Given that ESD chat is essentially Barrens / Trade chat, can we expect anything less from pvp it it turned ESD into a virtual wasteland?
Now... if the devs somehow made a 'separate' pvp ESD zone for PvP FvK Fleet actions, for ESD-Starfleet Academy and First City alike, 'with' starship actions similar to Starbase 24, for large scale pvp actions for both space and ground actions, and all this was voluntary, not enforced WoW style, then 'that' might be where things can turn successful. It'd have to be A long action, to make either side 'earn' killing the opposing faction npc Admiral / General, rather satisfying. Oh, and by gosh, learn teamwork along side to accomplish this?
In other words, lets make this unique and special, not a cruddy waste of time that would lose subscriptions.
Hell, yeah. I'd be fine with it. I'd have no problem with Feds trying to off peeps (NPC or otherwise) on Qo'nos the same way that I'd be fine with letting Klingons kill off Quinn and his friends. And, for the record, I'm not much of a PvP fan, but I think that this would add an extra dimension to an already too much two-dimensional game.
We don't speak of "Barrens chat", last thing we need is people telling Chuck Norris jokes and clogging the chat logs..
As far as raiding ESD/Qo'nos, if there was a pvp map that'd appease both sides I think.
Only in STO's case, once players gain a foothold, they can spawn camp the NPCs.
Then along came Cryptic and not too much later Blizzard's World of Warcraft, both which proved casual players and a fine bright line between player types was the most success business model. No one else has ever gained any where near the market share both games enjoy, at least in the Western world.
In short:
Maybe you should check out some of the full PvP UO emulator shards. Except strangely they all died out because even griefers didn't like a game with no victims and only other griefers.
What does that leave?
MMO FPS. Have fun.
I will tell you my theory on how this was done previously.
Wait until the devs release a new Klingon ship. When they make a new KDF ship they seem to have Fed abilities by default. A couple times before, they forgot to update the Transwarp ability properly and KDF ships would warp to ESD instead of going to Qo'noS.
And that's how KDF characters got on ESD and had loads of fun killing Admiral Quinn and moving around all the NPCs so people could not find them. (that was annoying as #$^@ on my Fed character but still funny).
Thus, I risk infraction from telling this. But it's worth the hilarity of seeing a Klingon Warrior running around ESD killing everything. Much lulz!
agreed. PVPers seem to think the magical cureall to the problem of there not being eneugh PVPers is to FORCE everyone to.
yet they also seem to claim that there are zillions of PVPers out there whpo are a vast silent majority on the net
Expect that if you do get through. With the new targeting system you CAN target enemies, even in a non-combat zone such as ESD. Don't know if they'll fix that before release though. I imagine Drozana is a mess lol.
I've noticed this too. Too bad they just don't get that most of us just don't want to cause PvP sucks lol... Why wait in a long queue just to kill Klings when I can do that plenty in a fleet mission that I can just readily go to? They could argue that they're more challenging than the NPC versions, but that's not always true either.
1) Transwarp...
2) Tell a Gm you have fallen out of the map... and require to be moved.
3) ??????
Problems with above
1) Starfleet has informed the pakled dock operator that klingons can no longer enter the mushroom
2) Make sure the GM is not standing behind you.
3) ??????
You want WoW, there's a game perfectly made for you. It's called WoW. They got a few subs to play with you too. Just a few.
Frankly I know another game that does allow this and low ranking people have a problem turning in quests because the quest giver is always dead because some level capped guy gets his jollies beating up on an NPC -20 levels to him. I guess the jocks picked on him hard at school that day so he has to over compensate.
I'm glad a dev chimed in saying that's why it's not allowed.