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edited January 2011 in Ten Forward
A little drunk, a little bored, and interested in starting this topic again (made one in general a few days ago) Let's begin. Most of this stuff is

Q Continuum vs Time Lords of Doctor Who

IMO: Q or a tie


5 Space Marines vs 5 Klingon

IMO: Space Marines (They train for several hundred years before they see active combat, and not only do they have multiple hearts like Klingons, they have multiple lungs INCLUDING an aqua lung, and a bunch of other neat-o special made organs that shoot venom and other goodies)


5 Necrons vs 5 Borg

IMO: Tie (I honestly do not know, can Necrons be assimilated? can Borg adapt to Necron Gauss tech?)


5 Cybermen (doctor who and inspiration for borg) vs 5 Borg

IMO: Borg


5 Borg vs 1 Dalek

IMO: Dalek, i mean seriously http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBSOhODoch0


USS Enterprise vs ANY Space Marine Battle Barge

IMO: Hell if I knew, Barges have world enders but they SEEM older tech wise, idk.
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Pavement0 wrote:
    A little drunk, a little bored, and interested in starting this topic again (made one in general a few days ago) Let's begin. Most of this stuff is

    Q Continuum vs Time Lords of Doctor Who

    IMO: Q or a tie

    Q, no contest. Though you might consider it a victory if Q just puts 'em through a test like he does with Picard all the time. But in a battle to the end, Q easily.


    5 Space Marines vs 5 Klingon

    IMO: Space Marines (They train for several hundred years before they see active combat, and not only do they have multiple hearts like Klingons, they have multiple lungs INCLUDING an aqua lung, and a bunch of other neat-o special made organs that shoot venom and other goodies)

    I'm not sure you're aware of this but Space Marines are in countless fictional works. I have no idea which ones you mean.


    5 Necrons vs 5 Borg

    IMO: Tie (I honestly do not know, can Necrons be assimilated? can Borg adapt to Necron Gauss tech?)

    What the TRIBBLE are necrons? Too lazy to google.


    5 Cybermen (doctor who and inspiration for borg) vs 5 Borg

    IMO: Borg

    Yes.


    5 Borg vs 1 Dalek

    IMO: Dalek, i mean seriously http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBSOhODoch0

    It matters. If the Daleks aren't smart and even if ONE gets assimilated the Borg could be trouble. At that point they've taken their knowledge and might even be able to time travel with ease like the Daleks can.
    If the Daleks don't get assimilated it's no contest. One good time travel and the Borg aren't an issue.



    USS Enterprise vs ANY Space Marine Battle Barge

    IMO: Hell if I knew, Barges have world enders but they SEEM older tech wise, idk.

    Again, space marines are in 1000 things.


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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    RED TEXT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lksdjfsdfs

    Space Marines and Necrons from Warhammer 40k

    Space Marines are essentially SUPER DUPER Humans who are genetically modified to be 8 ft tall, have multiple hearts, lungs, etc etc and more additional organs, live to be several thousand years old and even some of the dead ones or near dead ones serve as "dreadnaughts" or "living coffins" sorry I normally root for klinks being one myself but there are stories of one space marine wiping out entire nations, lol i have to give that one to them.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu4ABhVd28U spacemarines and the dreadnaught is found around 1:40

    Necrons are essentially borg pound for pound in my opinion

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ktNc6GVItU

    edit: also the necrons are apparently as old as dirt, and if you ever played mass effect and learned about the reapers, the stories of the two species and their goals are nearly identicle (come around every hundred thousand years or so to cull all living civilizations and reap...something? idk the necrons havent told what they do with the bodies and are all mysterious like, and worship the god of death named nightbringer which supposedly haunted mankind's dreams who personafied him as the grim reaper

    http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Night_Bringer

    i still say borgs tie with the necrons or if they CAN assimilate the necrons (i kinda doubt it), beat the **** out of them.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    I did a comparison way back in beta between a 40k Imperial Battleship and a Star Trek vessel and...Would be a good battle.

    Both ships have A LOT of firepower. An Imperial Battleship would have a complement of Cyclonic Torpedoes, the primary Exterminatus weapon of the Imperium. These weapons have spectacular effects. As stated in both the episodes 'Whom Gods Destroy' and 'A Taste of Armageddon', a TOS Constitution like the Enterprise has enough firepower to scour an Earth-like planet of life in 24 hours.

    Cyclonic Torpedoes however are not used in ship to ship combat, so a better comparison would be to compare phasers versus Imperial weapons to get a better idea. I used the Lance Battery as a comparison point.

    According to the TNG episode 'Who Watches the Watchers?', a Galaxy's phaser emitter is powered by a 4.2 gigawatt generator, with ten being connected together into an array, giving each array a 42 gigawatt strength (low end? Perhaps it works on a gestalt principle, see musings on nature of phasers).

    A Lance Battery works on a very similar principle of multiple beam emitters (about 40) being connected together to form a more powerful beam. The problem here lies in getting the strength of these weapons. I have seen ranges from as low as 200 megawatts per beam to as high as 2.4 gigawatts per beam.

    Defensive systems would once again depend on how their weapons stacked up. As both ships have adequate defensive abilities against their respective strengths, we would need to get a better understanding of how their weapons stack up against each other for analysis here.


    This also led to some musings from me regarding whether phasers and lasguns were projectile or energy weapons, or perhaps even the same things. The exact natures of both are open to speculation and vary depending on the source.

    According to TNG, phasers fire nadions (subatomic particles) that then liberate strong nuclear forces, dissolving atoms. Which would technically make phasers particle beams. Furthermore, phasers have been rigged to detonate on proximity and to fire nanoprobes.

    Lasguns, in many WH40k works, are treated similarly to projectile weapons. They are effected by wind and gravity, which a laser would not be effected by. They are also depicted as having some manner of tracer trail, which they would not have if they were truly lasers. Furthermore, the sniper rifles in Necromunda are said to be a lasgun that propels a solid dart.



    It is easy to look at an Imperial ship and think it is inferior to a Federation vessel. However, the Imperium is certainly at least on par with the Federation in cybernetics (look at Techpriests and Servitors) and biological sciences (can regrow lost limbs, clone swarms of birds, make servitors and space marines, and the germ bombs are also demonstrate some advanced biological engineering).

    The Imperium has advanced display technology (holographic images are pretty common, at least according to the Eisenhorn trilogy).

    And the Imperium's weapons, at least on the ground, are at least on par with the Federation's in terms of strength.

    Imperial materials sciences is also remarkably advanced, able to cheaply create lightweight plastics that can absorb and reflect heat and energy attacks and even materials that can change their coloration to blend in with the surrounding terrain.


    Either way, Federation versus Imperium would be a good match.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    United Federation of Planets vs Citizens Federation (Starship Troopers)

    Untied Feferation of Planets vs United Earth Directorate (Starcraft)

    Either fight would be an awesome match.

    But as for straight up armageddon on a galactic scale:

    Borg Vs Zerg (Starcraft) Vs Flood (Halo) There can be no winners.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Kirk vs. Han Solo (no Chewie, hes at the groomers)

    ???
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Picard vs. Grand Moff Tarkin...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    United Federation of Planets vs Citizens Federation (Starship Troopers)

    Untied Feferation of Planets vs United Earth Directorate (Starcraft)

    Either fight would be an awesome match.

    But as for straight up armageddon on a galactic scale:

    Borg Vs Zerg (Starcraft) Vs Flood (Halo) There can be no winners.

    an even better champ for that fight: Tyranids (also Warhammer and also directly responsible for the inspiration of the zerg)

    these are essentially zerg that fight on a MUCH, MUCH MUCH MUUUUCH larger scale. (at the end of the first trailer, the woman who says "this planet is theirs" is pointing to the sky and a tryranid swarm that was blocking out the sun)

    they use bioships like speices 4872 and are on the same level of tech, only their armies, are literally the size of the milky way galaxy and possibly much much larger, as they travel in a locus like swarm the end of which has never really been witnessed.

    also, theres like 4 of these swarms slowly encroaching on the milky way from all sides.

    http://images.wikia.com/warhammer40k/images/f/fe/Tyranids_incursions.jpg

    yeah, those weird tentlacles are actually armies...armies who's size rivals a ****ing galaxy

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_exqyvOBAvpg/TPPduh8sMaI/AAAAAAAAABo/-mEii98OCIQ/s1600/tyranids_hold_the_line.jpg

    and like the borg, they have a penance for adapting and integrating new biological data to be used as "bio tech"

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxz1GH-3pYQ
    ^---the little ship flying besides the big ships at the end btw, about the size of the enterprise ><

    tyranids: ****ing up your **** since 1980s
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Geoduck360 wrote:
    Picard vs. Grand Moff Tarkin...

    Picard, Moff was a *****.

    And as for kirk or han? Well both had officer training (han was a stormtrooper once) but kirk, for all his fighting, has not had to constantly fight grim odds like han did prior to his entry in the alliance. id say han is better in a fist fight
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Enterprise-E vs Super Star Destroyer:

    Enterprise-E wins hands down.
    Even by TNG standards lasers were extremely old tech, and if an SSD can be brought low by a crashing A-Wing to the right spot how much worse would 10 quantums right through the reactor core be?

    Consider too that Star Wars ships likely use much weaker shields.
    Phaser > Laser, and lasers could eventually take down a SW ships shields.
    So phasers > > > SW shields.

    Enterprise-E Vs USAF Daedalus (Stargate):

    Enterprise-E, but only because of better offense.
    It looks like Stargate ships' shields are more inline with Trek, but E obviously outmatches any heretofore seen Earth ship in terms of raw punch.

    Enterprise-E Vs Asgard prototype Warship:

    Enterprise-E by small margin only.
    Asgard ships seem much more offensively equipped but come on....
    E as seen in Nemesis has more phaser emitters and torpedo tubes than I could count....
    Shes going to take a beating, but still win.



    But as for straight up armageddon on a galactic scale:

    Borg Vs Zerg (Starcraft) Vs Flood (Halo) There can be no winners.


    Egads.... I'm not even sure a Chief/Cortana/Jhonson/Janeway/Picard/Sisko/Kirk/Raynor/Tychus alliance of good guys could prevent the end of the human race under those conditions...

    I say fire the Halo array and be done with it, everyones gonna die anyways might as well ensure that the next life-cycle of the galaxy is infestive evil villain free.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    i totally agree that star trek out techs star wars, or at least it usually does

    but consider this: you are taking 2 different universes and applying the terms of ONE universe to the OTHER (star trek ye-old lasers to star wars modern lasers)

    consider that in star wars, most lasers are actually plasma arrays that fire wads of molten plasma at sub-light speeds (just watch any star wars movie) and not actual lasers, although the death star did and id like to see the enterprise take a hit from that heh.

    what one universe calls a laser and another are clearly two very different things in my opinion, star wars uses the term for most anything flashy whereas star trek uses it as a clinical term.

    some star wars weapons are down right nasty/****ed up like the death stars, galaxy gun, sun crusher, star forge, or the world destroyers would give the federation a run for their money

    sun crusher and galaxy gun moreso than the others, followed by the star forge, death stars, and world destroyers in that order.

    edit: also while basic trek weapons outclass basic star wars weapons, basic star wars propulsion FAR FAR outclasses star trek propulsion

    to cross the galaxy we are talking centuries for the federation at least in the tv series, and days/2 weeks at most(?) for the empire
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    ^^^ This.

    Star Wars doesn't have lasers.

    Star Wars has blasters.

    ;)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    wrote:
    Egads.... I'm not even sure a Chief/Cortana/Jhonson/Janeway/Picard/Sisko/Kirk/Raynor/Tychus alliance of good guys could prevent the end of the human race under those conditions...

    I say fire the Halo array and be done with it, everyones gonna die anyways might as well ensure that the next life-cycle of the galaxy is infestive evil villain free.

    So sad, yet so true. But my god that would be a hell of a last stand. Unless, of course, the Borg managed to Assimilate Arrays 1-7, and Installation 00 aka Waypoint (or Arc). Worse yet would be the Flood or Zerg finding the Shield Worlds and bringing a Forerunner fleet infested like coming to punk the Borg.

    I think the Zerg would be immune to Assimilation, I know they had like godmode immune systems and their super-virus can corrupt, like, anything.

    Also horrifying is the thought of an assimilated infested Kerrigan. All would be over as we know it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    necrons > all, even the Q

    the necrons are the dead brought back to serve the dark shade god of eternal blackest night (if you google it)

    the slain are thrown into the necro abyss, where they become living metal, necrons are extremely hard to take out of combat, as they regenerate actively via nano tech. they can not be killed, the most you can hope for is to knock them all out and run while they regenerate.


    the only thing keeping the necrons in check is they are not in a rush, they awake and pacifiy the world they are on every 10 millenia, there are necrons on every world, only thing keeping life going is they are out of synch on passification purges due to poor intercommunication, perhaps the dark god wishes to cause suffering like this rather then to purge all life at once, or perhaps hes just not paying attention atm!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Pavement0 wrote:
    i totally agree that star trek out techs star wars, or at least it usually does

    but consider this: you are taking 2 different universes and applying the terms of ONE universe to the OTHER (star trek ye-old lasers to star wars modern lasers)

    consider that in star wars, most lasers are actually plasma arrays that fire wads of molten plasma at sub-light speeds (just watch any star wars movie) and not actual lasers, although the death star did and id like to see the enterprise take a hit from that heh.

    what one universe calls a laser and another are clearly two very different things in my opinion, star wars uses the term for most anything flashy whereas star trek uses it as a clinical term.

    some star wars weapons are down right nasty/****ed up like the death stars, galaxy gun, sun crusher, star forge, or the world destroyers would give the federation a run for their money

    sun crusher and galaxy gun moreso than the others, followed by the star forge, death stars, and world destroyers in that order.

    edit: also while basic trek weapons outclass basic star wars weapons, basic star wars propulsion FAR FAR outclasses star trek propulsion

    to cross the galaxy we are talking centuries for the federation at least in the tv series, and days/2 weeks at most(?) for the empire

    star trek also has wormhole weapons that swallow worlds, sun exploding torpedos, and various bio weapons that would make a Q blush at how deadly they are, but such things are banned by the roddenberry, only mentioned, never allowed to be actively widely deployed

    where as the lucas revels in letting death stars pwn alderons
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Pavement0 wrote:
    an even better champ for that fight: Tyranids (also Warhammer and also directly responsible for the inspiration of the zerg)

    these are essentially zerg that fight on a MUCH, MUCH MUCH MUUUUCH larger scale. (at the end of the first trailer, the woman who says "this planet is theirs" is pointing to the sky and a tryranid swarm that was blocking out the sun)

    they use bioships like speices 4872 and are on the same level of tech, only their armies, are literally the size of the milky way galaxy and possibly much much larger, as they travel in a locus like swarm the end of which has never really been witnessed.

    also, theres like 4 of these swarms slowly encroaching on the milky way from all sides.

    http://images.wikia.com/warhammer40k/images/f/fe/Tyranids_incursions.jpg

    yeah, those weird tentlacles are actually armies...armies who's size rivals a ****ing galaxy

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_exqyvOBAvpg/TPPduh8sMaI/AAAAAAAAABo/-mEii98OCIQ/s1600/tyranids_hold_the_line.jpg

    and like the borg, they have a penance for adapting and integrating new biological data to be used as "bio tech"

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxz1GH-3pYQ
    ^---the little ship flying besides the big ships at the end btw, about the size of the enterprise ><

    tyranids: ****ing up your **** since 1980s

    hmmm how do i put this


    the zerg wish they were tyrannids, the only rellevant way to relate them, would be to say the hive mind of the zerg, was a low grade tyranid, with offshoot pets

    every tyranid possesses high intelligence, and undying loyalty to its hive, the more disposable first wave troopers might be on the lower end of smarts but even they are crafty in the ways of dodgeing attacks and killing with every swipe of their claws as they crush the life off of every world the hive attacks.

    and the bigger tyranids are redic, they come in all shapes and forms from psychics assaulters that can drive millions mad, to great devourers that can swallow tanks whole.

    the zerg are an annoying fire ant hill at a picnic, the tyrannids are the end of the universe
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Enterprise-E vs Super Star Destroyer:

    Enterprise-E wins hands down.
    Even by TNG standards lasers were extremely old tech, and if an SSD can be brought low by a crashing A-Wing to the right spot how much worse would 10 quantums right through the reactor core be?

    Consider too that Star Wars ships likely use much weaker shields.
    Phaser > Laser, and lasers could eventually take down a SW ships shields.
    So phasers > > > SW shields.

    Enterprise-E Vs USAF Daedalus (Stargate):

    Enterprise-E, but only because of better offense.
    It looks like Stargate ships' shields are more inline with Trek, but E obviously outmatches any heretofore seen Earth ship in terms of raw punch.

    Enterprise-E Vs Asgard prototype Warship:

    Enterprise-E by small margin only.
    Asgard ships seem much more offensively equipped but come on....
    E as seen in Nemesis has more phaser emitters and torpedo tubes than I could count....
    Shes going to take a beating, but still win.


    I'd have to disagree about the Asgard prototype vs Enterprise E for one reason: The Ori. The Enterprise E might be on par with an Ori ship if their shields hold, and that's a big if. The Asgard weapons ripped through the Ori shields like tissue paper. Keep in mind before then, nobody had managed to even dent the Ori shields. Anything less then a loss against the asgard would mean an E curbstomp against any other ship in the Stargate verse except maybe a Wraith Hive Ship powered by ZPMs.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Pavement0 wrote:
    5 Borg vs 1 Dalek

    IMO: Dalek, i mean seriously http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBSOhODoch0

    The Dalek would be able to take out maybe two or three of the Borg, perhaps four - but after that, the Borg would have adapted to the Dalek weapon. One of the biggest weaknesses of the Daleks was the total lack of imagination, apart from the Cult of Skaro, so the Dalek would just keep shooting away until it was eventually assimilated.

    Of course, if the nanotubes can't get through the armour of the Dalek shell, it'd be a stalemate.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Flasherman wrote: »
    The Dalek would be able to take out maybe two or three of the Borg, perhaps four - but after that, the Borg would have adapted to the Dalek weapon. One of the biggest weaknesses of the Daleks was the total lack of imagination, apart from the Cult of Skaro, so the Dalek would just keep shooting away until it was eventually assimilated.

    Of course, if the nanotubes can't get through the armour of the Dalek shell, it'd be a stalemate.

    You forget that Daleks are just as adaptable as Borg. OK it took them 26 years to overcome stairs, but now they're bigger and badder and more colourful than ever, they only had that lack of imagination because they were reliant on battle computers. As soon as they get rid of them they're laughing
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Then again, the daleks only rejected the Cybermen alliance because the Cybermen were obviously much weaker. Don't both the borg and the Daleks seek perfection?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Ertwin wrote: »
    Then again, the daleks only rejected the Cybermen alliance because the Cybermen were obviously much weaker. Don't both the borg and the Daleks seek perfection?

    Not really. Daleks see all other life forms as inferior and deserving of extermination
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    How about The Doctor vs the Borg?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Ertwin wrote: »
    How about The Doctor vs the Borg?

    Easy win for the Doc, he can see all of time, remember, so he's gonna be one step ahead
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Easy win for the Doc, he can see all of time, remember, so he's gonna be one step ahead

    True, but imagine....an assimilated TARDIS
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Ertwin wrote: »
    True, but imagine....an assimilated TARDIS

    The BORG WOULD BE UNSTOPPABLE :D

    That'd never happen though
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Here's a good one. What about Star Trek's Federation VS the Federation from Blake's 7
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