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Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura: 9/11: The Pentagon

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edited January 2011 in Ten Forward
It's a real shame we didn't get this type of investigation back then, but of course the people who have things to hide would never do it. This Episode really makes you rethink that day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9tvrYg85qU
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    You are a collossal... rube.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Are we really going to pick this scab?
    wrote:
    It's a real shame we didn't get this type of investigation back then
    Oh, yes. We did. The book's slightly bias having had Rice work on it, but it holds up.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Sir_Cedric wrote: »
    It's a real shame we didn't get this type of investigation back then, but of course the people who have things to hide would never do it. This Episode really makes you rethink that day.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9tvrYg85qU

    I believe it was a plane.

    What some people are not really taking into account is the Pentagon is:

    1. One of the largest office buildings/bunkers on Earth (has 6 zip codes)
    2. Was built from near solid concrete to save steel during WW2 and would be very hard to damage. Comparing it to what happens after a plane hits an aluminum building is quite insulting to the solid concrete the Pentagon is made of.
    3. The Soviet Union calculated it would require multiple atomic bomb strikes to actually destroy

    In October of 2001 I was in Washington DC for an academic study program and happened to drive past the Pentagon a few times.

    And I also love how they have one 'expert' say that there wasn't any wreckage on the ground while an earlier one said that the plane should have disintegrated soon after impact and shouldn't have penetrated as far as it did.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    There are a lot of pictures of the plane wreckage around the pentagon

    See i can post videos too.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    You know how yoa plane or not a plane talk?

    You show all the other tapes they have locked away, then you can show if it was or wasn't a plane. But lets see, it's been almost 10 years, but yet we still only have the 3 to 5 frames of an explosion, and it doesn't show what hit the building.

    So if the story is as they say, why don't they show the other angles, or is there something they DON'T want us to see?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    i cant be asked to watch it

    can someone give me the headlines?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    i cant be asked to watch it

    can someone give me the headlines?

    Jesse Ventura requires the crutch that conspiracy theories provide.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    wrote:
    You know how yoa plane or not a plane talk?

    You show all the other tapes they have locked away, then you can show if it was or wasn't a plane. But lets see, it's been almost 10 years, but yet we still only have the 3 to 5 frames of an explosion, and it doesn't show what hit the building.

    So if the story is as they say, why don't they show the other angles, or is there something they DON'T want us to see?


    Allow me to remain polite,

    I've been a firefighter off and on for years, in that mix got my EMT certification and have seen hundreds of fires and accidents.

    When I watched that day and saw the planes hitting the towers, I could tell from watching smoke and the collapse itself exactly what was going on inside, I watched brothers and sisters in arms die and I cried for them.

    Weeks later some sod says it was demo charges. I knew right off the bat it was a pressure effect caused by collapsing floors acting like a piston and popping windows.

    They talked about how the building burned "too fast" and after hearing about the shoddy insulation job, I got mad.

    Already, the conspiracy nuts were getting on my last nerve, insulting the memory of thousands of men, women and children, American Heroes all of them, by making statements made with absolutely no true engineering, or for that matter scientific knowledge behind them.

    Now I ask you, with that in mind.

    When those same people that had the nerve to conjecture when they had little to know idea about what they were talking about that a similar dastardly conspiracy against a nation's own people was done in DC, should I listen?

    There are some holes in the story, the plane making the maneuvers it did namely. That and the absence of jet wash on the neighboring highway as it went over. I won't deny this. What I will, however, say is that the damage is quite likely from a plane.

    Think of how an armor piercing round or RPG missile function and the effect is almost exactly the same. A really fast moving missile shaped (plane is the same thing, only with wings) object hitting an armored object (Pentagon wall) and the weight of impact is enough to extrude almost all fine debris (and nearing the mach 1 point, there was a lot of fine debris), super heated gasses as well as almost all built-up kinetic energy through a usually round hole. The end result would be little to no remaining debris and the continuation of round holes through other walls caused by that cone of superheated gasses and debris. People really downplay the amount of force that really would be on a wafer thin aluminum body going almost the speed of sound.

    It also comes down to something else. As bad and as evil as people like to believe our government is, as corrupt as some politicians are... would they really have a hand in the single worst attack on our nation since December 7th 1941? Over just misappropriated funds as Ventura is claiming?

    Popular Science did a whole issue on this topic a few years ago, it was a good read. It made sense.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    I've seen all this TRIBBLE before. It can and has all been debunked as paranoid garbage. I knew more about it years ago so I can't quote everything but I was convinced 100% about how much TRIBBLE these theories are when the real explanations are perfectly reasonable.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    I've seen all this TRIBBLE before. It can and has all been debunked as paranoid garbage. I knew more about it years ago so I can't quote everything but I was convinced 100% about how much TRIBBLE these theories are when the real explanations are perfectly reasonable.

    THANK YOU!

    I mean seriously, I wish we could all just put aside the finger pointing and instead focus on building a better tomorrow and remembering our dead.

    That's a thing I've noticed about America, now before anyone accuses me of hating this nation, take a hike. In short, when something happens, someone has to be to blame. Failing someone, SOMETHING has to be to blame.

    It started in the 1600's in Salem, obviously it had to be Witches.

    Lets look at Columbine. It had to be heavy-metal music and video games. Why else would kids possibly attack other kids? Surely, it couldn't be because they were bullied and had underlying psychological faults that just snapped, could it?

    Now this most recent shooting in Arizona. According to a CNN it was caused by a perfectly legal herb that induces hallucinations and seizures being used over a long time. Because it couldn't be as simple as just someone was insane, could it?

    Bah. I hate that mentality.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    ive learned from other conspiracy shows they are very good at pretending they provide both side of the argument when in fact they really just show one side. they often do it in a way that is all about entertainment with lots of flashy effects and clever camera shots but light on the truth.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Sad thing is htat 90% of these conspiracy nuts are uneducated and dont have a CLUE of what they are talking about.
    They are just pulling stuff out of thin air.

    How do i know this?
    I have gone to flight technical school and pretty much know the workings of your average aircraft inside and out.
    So anyone trying to push these conspiracies on me effectively insults my intelligence.

    Entire airliners have been known to completely "disintegrate" in a high velocity impact with ground or sea.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    All these countless fake conspiracies are helping hide the real ones (the very very few). And the real ones aren't ever as exciting as the fake ones.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Hmm. I guess what I saw that day was total fabrication. I was brainwashed and threatened to say it was a plane even though I have no recollection of said events. I guess the parts I found in the pentagon was also a figment of my imagination.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Here is a perfect video of what happens ot an aircraft that impacts into "solid concrete", vaporizing even the heavy "engine"
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--_RGM4Abv8

    Now that may just be an F4, but keep in mind that airliners are far more brittle than jet fighters which have been designed to withstand increadible aerodynamic forces.
    Add to the math that airliners have vastly greater amounts of fuel and the short flying time which basicly turns the aircraft into one massive fuel bomb.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    As a New Yorker who nearly lost someone that day and who has friends that did, I'm going to have to ask you, Cedric, to go **** yourself as you burn in hell.

    Do you really think the US Government has need to kill that many people, in that fashion, as a means to what ends? Start wars against rogue countries we already hate? Do you think they keep up the charade by having people pose as terrorists and continuously try to detonate bombs on our planes, in our cities, and fire a weapon ant anything that moves in our military bases?

    Or is it more likely that there really are a slew of extremists that in one massive act completely 180'd our view on airplane hijackings, public security, and foreign policy?

    When you hear hoof beats, why are you thinking Zebras?!?!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    THANK YOU!

    I mean seriously, I wish we could all just put aside the finger pointing and instead focus on building a better tomorrow and remembering our dead.

    That's a thing I've noticed about America, now before anyone accuses me of hating this nation, take a hike. In short, when something happens, someone has to be to blame. Failing someone, SOMETHING has to be to blame.

    It started in the 1600's in Salem, obviously it had to be Witches.

    Lets look at Columbine. It had to be heavy-metal music and video games. Why else would kids possibly attack other kids? Surely, it couldn't be because they were bullied and had underlying psychological faults that just snapped, could it?

    Now this most recent shooting in Arizona. According to a CNN it was caused by a perfectly legal herb that induces hallucinations and seizures being used over a long time. Because it couldn't be as simple as just someone was insane, could it?

    Bah. I hate that mentality.

    What I don't understand is that TRIBBLE theories are created when there is ligit proof through videos and a crapload of witnesses....
    SpaceFork wrote:
    As a New Yorker who nearly lost someone that day and who has friends that did, I'm going to have to ask you, Cedric, to go **** yourself as you burn in hell.

    Do you really think the US Government has need to kill that many people, in that fashion, as a means to what ends? Start wars against rogue countries we already hate? Do you think they keep up the charade by having people pose as terrorists and continuously try to detonate bombs on our planes, in our cities, and fire a weapon ant anything that moves in our military bases?

    Or is it more likely that there really are a slew of extremists that in one massive act completely 180'd our view on airplane hijackings, public security, and foreign policy?

    When you hear hoof beats, why are you thinking Zebras?!?!

    I'm not a New Yorker and yet I believe most of the US considered themself one on 9/11.

    My friend lost her uncle who was a firefighter who was killed while trying to rescue and survivers...my uncle was supposed to be in NYC for his job, whose officer was VERY close to the Twin Towers...he couldn't make it that day for random reasons.

    One of my friends relatives worked in the Tein Towers...clock alarm didn't go off and accidentally slept in. I have a bunch of similar "I should be dead" stories from friends and their familes. Hell another member of my family is helping with the construction of the Freedom Towers. :)

    It's TRIBBLE theories like "A missle was shot at the Towers and the Pentagon" that makes me lose my peaceful behavior and...if it wasn't for logic (thank you Star Trek for showing me the power of logic ^_^ ) and fear of getting banned I would list other things that THIS FILTH makes me want to do. People want attention, so they make up some disgusting BS "theory;" it sickens me that people in this world are like this and aren't serious beaten up but those who were greatly effected by tragic events.


    In the best interests of the forums I ask this thread be closed. This thread has a "high risk of staring a flame war that'll lead to a flame-doomsday." :rolleyes:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    I'm not sure if 9/11 was an inside job in any form.

    What I do know is that if 1 more person (President Kennedy) had signed off on Operation Northwoods we would have staged attacks and blamed Cuba to invade.

    Gulf of Tonkin?

    Project Shad?

    Tuskeggee Experiment?

    Why did hillary Clinton apologize to the Guatamalans?


    Again, I'm not saying 9/11 was an inside job. But I wouldn't be that surprised.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Ok Lets be civil and no name calling ok.

    I seen all the other videos too, and the report, and the recreations. But after watch this video, it got me things again. That's why I ported it here. I am sorry if you lost people on that day, and that day got me really really mad. All those lives lost and for what?

    Now if you watched this video, it revisits a few key points of that day from just the Pentagons point of view, and I will highlight the key points that got me rethinking on this.

    1. 2.3 Trillion dollars was misplaced? As said on 9/10/01. I don't know about you, but you just don't misplace that much money.

    2. With all the different angles of video carmas on and around the Pentagon, and around the build from other businesses, why to this day do we only see that 1 5 frame angle? This alnoe will shut everyone up, if you show it was a plane that fly into the building. But it just keeps the debate going when you DON'T show what's on the other tapes.

    3. A slip of the lip in an interview of a missle hitting, then a quick switch to say airplane? Hmmmm ok maybe. But what about the police chatter saying it was a missle?

    4. Ok granted a plane will fall apart when hitting a solid mass, but does the debris collected match the size of a Boeing 757? Tail Height: 44 ft 6 in ; Length: 155 ft 3 in ; Wingspan: 124 ft 10 in Some say it does, some say it doesn't. But in any case the end is still the same. Something hit the building and lives were lost.

    5. The part of the building that was hit housed the accounts and the paper trail to the money used by the Pentagon. Hmmmmm interresting to me, caus eit was said the day before they couldn't account for 2.3 Trillion dollars.

    6. Using a simulator a man witht he same level of skill couldn't fly the sim into the pentagon, he failed each time he tried, and the pilot who was with him stated the 757 shouldn't have made done what was said in the report. But still you have parts of the plane on the site. Again you have 1 side saying it couldn't have gone as said, and the other showing still you have something on the site.

    Ok I will not bore you with more items, just saying it does make you think. And at the end of the video it was said.

    Protection of the Institute comes 1st. So does that mean that is more important than the people? If that is how our leaders feel, doesn't that worry you just a little bit, that the protection of the institute comes 1st vs the people it serves, or does it serve the people at all?

    The one thing that has always bugged me more, was the rush to finish the investigation, and how everything got swept away that was at each gound zero. Like the steel from the towers, it was sent to China to be proceeded. Now I find that very odd. Why? Why not do it here, why China?

    All I am saying for such a huge crime, why was it rushed to say it was only this one group. Still a ton of questions out there, but when you get rid of the evidance, it's hard to prove anything.

    I just posted this videoo cause I found it interesting, and it does make you rethink on the events of the day.
    So how it's feeling like this whole thing is over money, and people were used to help cover up that fact.

    Oh and what about that stand down order, and the location of the figthers for our air cover in the area. Too many unexplained red flags for me, on a day I believe more than 1 crime took place.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Thread closed.

    Folks, this topic isn't a good one for the Star Trek Online Forums. Let's move on.

    Thanks,

    Stormshade
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