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edited January 2011 in Ten Forward
I know this may be flamed as a stupid question, but what if the escorts had a cruiser sized battleship or something slightly bigger, No I do not mean the Gal-X it is a total piece of TRIBBLE in any real event. the Klingons have cannons on their ships why not the Federations? what could possibly be lost to us having a bit of cannons on our ships? I want one thing and one thing only, A large battleship with much to offer for a federation captain,

I do hope one day we have ultra powerful and expensive ships which would have the following,

6 weapon slots fore and aft,
a super power core.
4 carrier bays.
slower than the galaxy turn rate by 10x
and limited power usage.
hey there has to be a limit.
but I know this will happen one day.......probly in the next year or 2 scince ranks will go up and VA's will be commanders in comparison.

but all i really want right now is some sort of battleship not a small escort which cant hold against anything more than 3 small ships or 1 larger ship of each kind. seriously I have all mk XI very rares on my ship including aegis set and still it was torn apart by 2 large ships. not to mention it is a fleet escort which has a larger rate of survival than many of its brethren,
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    The history of the federation is not to build battleships. Heck the Defiant was the very first class of star ship build specifically to fight by the feds. Maybe we will see the Jupiter and the other fed dreadnought become playable and see cannons on em. but i reckon they will still be slow turning cruisers and therefore not very effective with cannons.

    And no to carriers. Feds have Sci ships, Klinks have carriers, its only fair unless we want to give klinks some science vessels, wich just sounds weird.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Lockerd wrote: »
    6 weapon slots fore and aft

    I cant possibly see how that can be considered overpowered. :rolleyes:
    Lockerd wrote: »
    a super power core....

    and limited power usage.

    Huh? A super but limited power core? amazing.
    And adding "super" to anything, does not make it better or cooler. Leave the super powers in the other cryptic game.
    Lockerd wrote: »
    4 carrier bays.

    I guess in the future battleships and carriers are different names for the same type of vessel. Novel thinking. Lets, just keep carriers and battleships apart. "Do all" super ships are not as entertaining as folks might think.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    The Federation really isn't known for fighter combat >_>
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    What you could do is frame it like this:

    Create a Borg Weekly Episode Arc (So that everyone can earn it, because making it a reward for completing all the STFs would just take much, much too long, and I have a good idea to work the way I'm framing it) and an Undine Weekly Episode Arc.

    For finishing the arcs, you will get a token to get a ship that the Fed created in response to the Borg (for the Borg Arc). This ship will be large, but fast, manuverable, and can fit cannons, as well as getting bonuses against the Borg. This ship will scale in level with the player, with only the basic design available at the Lt. Commander rank (First rank it would be available at), but more weapon and Boff slots, and more design options would unlock as the player increaced in rank. It would not have good sheilds, but would have hull comparable to most cruisers (except the Galaxy). Said ship would also give bonuses when fighting against the Borg. The reward for completing the Undine Arc would be the same thing, except it would get bonuses against the Undine.

    Making said ship fit in with PvP would be a bit of a challenge, but the basic concept of this ship would be kind of like the use of Battleships in WWII. The Garuamba is kind of like the Klingon's version of the Bismark.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    As it happens, I already Designed that Ship. It's got 4 warp cores, 2 (1 each) for the "Fleet Killer" Main guns. Plus is got 15 (9-18 inch, and 6-12inch) turreted lance phasers (aka Galaxy X main weapon) plus phaser arrays all around and phaser point defense weapons all around. She turns pretty poor, but with turreted weapons, whe really doesn't need to turn. Plus with multiple torpedo launchers in the "Smokestack" she can punch hard on multple targets.

    Although to be honest it's not a very Starfleet/Federation type of ship :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    So OP is asking for super powers to make a escort class carrier battle ship? I am going to go out on a limb and say no right now.

    No right now.

    Escort is an escort, Battle ships are..well you get the picture.
    P.S. No feddy carriers.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Sorry, but I'm really sick of people saying "The Feds arent really known for making battleships"

    The Federation is at war with the Klingons and The Borg at this point in time and pretty much everyone wants a piece of them by now. There's no way in hell that the Federation isn't going to start pushing out true warships eventually, especially considering the main faction they're at war against makes nothing but war ready ships.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    The_Dogman wrote:
    Sorry, but I'm really sick of people saying "The Feds arent really known for making battleships"

    The Federation is at war with the Klingons and The Borg at this point in time and pretty much everyone wants a piece of them by now. There's no way in hell that the Federation isn't going to start pushing out true warships eventually, especially considering the main faction they're at war against makes nothing but war ready ships.

    but the federation can easily handle those factions just fine with the ships they have. In game you destroy entire fleets of enemy ships single handedly with any fed hip in the game.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    What no science parts? It needs a tachyon scanner and three more deflector dish slots.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    I've been thinking about a fed Escort/Science ship, with the hull of an Escort, and the sheilds of a Science vessel. It would have cloak, and one Lt. Engineering Officer Boff slot, but would have a Commander and Lt. Commander Tac Boff slots, and Commander and Lt. Commander Sci. Boff slots.

    It would also be a bit better with beam weapons.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Now here is what I would do. I would 'finish' rounding out some T5 ships in a manner similar to the Excelsior.

    Ambassador-refit class would have Commander Engineer, Lt. Engineer, Ensign Engineer, Lt. Commander Science, and Lt. Tac.

    Akira-refit class would have Commander Tac, Lt. Tac, Ensign Tac, Lt. Commander Engineer, and Lt. Sci.

    Another escort (maybe the hinted 'battleship Intrepid') would have Commander Tac, Lt. Tac, Ensign Tac, Lt. Commander Science, and Lt. Engineer.

    And for science vessels have a similar setup except with science officers.

    Then we can start talking about maybe T6 ships.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    The Federation really isn't known for fighter combat >_>

    Didn't see much of DS9 did ya? The fed's had wings of fighters, I believe they were called Peregrines, but don't quote me on that.

    In regards to the op:

    no.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Lockerd wrote: »
    I know this may be flamed as a stupid question, but what if the escorts had a cruiser sized battleship or something slightly bigger, No I do not mean the Gal-X it is a total piece of TRIBBLE in any real event. the Klingons have cannons on their ships why not the Federations? what could possibly be lost to us having a bit of cannons on our ships? I want one thing and one thing only, A large battleship with much to offer for a federation captain,

    I do hope one day we have ultra powerful and expensive ships which would have the following,

    6 weapon slots fore and aft,
    a super power core.
    4 carrier bays.
    slower than the galaxy turn rate by 10x
    and limited power usage.
    hey there has to be a limit.
    but I know this will happen one day.......probly in the next year or 2 scince ranks will go up and VA's will be commanders in comparison.

    but all i really want right now is some sort of battleship not a small escort which cant hold against anything more than 3 small ships or 1 larger ship of each kind. seriously I have all mk XI very rares on my ship including aegis set and still it was torn apart by 2 large ships. not to mention it is a fleet escort which has a larger rate of survival than many of its brethren,

    Prior to STO's launch, someone challenged me to drawup some Federation Starship designs and I came up with this:

    Azurian's Battleships

    I figured like the Defiant, heavily armored Warp Nacelles in Quads was appropriate for warships, to act as redundancy.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    I like the Resolute
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    The_Dogman wrote:
    Sorry, but I'm really sick of people saying "The Feds arent really known for making battleships"

    The Federation is at war with the Klingons and The Borg at this point in time and pretty much everyone wants a piece of them by now. There's no way in hell that the Federation isn't going to start pushing out true warships eventually, especially considering the main faction they're at war against makes nothing but war ready ships.
    Federation ships have always been capable in combat. And yet, they are not battleships. Since they are also capable of non-combat missions. And that design seems to have been proven over time. Quite possible because the Federation can _always_ use a fleet of combat-capable exploration ships, but can only rarely ever use dedicated battleships. 95 % of the time, those battleships are wasted. They are are just dead weight. Just because there happens to be a war going on doesn't mean that you need to design a pure battleship in hope that it gets to the frontlines before the war ends.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Lockerd wrote: »
    I do hope one day we have ultra powerful and expensive ships which would have the following,

    6 weapon slots fore and aft,
    a super power core.
    4 carrier bays.
    slower than the galaxy turn rate by 10x
    and limited power usage.
    hey there has to be a limit.
    but I know this will happen one day.......probly in the next year or 2 scince ranks will go up and VA's will be commanders in comparison.

    Oh yes, we will get something like that. In five Enterprises or one century. At the moment Negh'Vars and Sovereigns are still the best.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Didn't see much of DS9 did ya? The fed's had wings of fighters, I believe they were called Peregrines, but don't quote me on that.

    In regards to the op:

    no.
    they do have fighters but we never see a carrier in the show or films. Maybe they just replace shuttles on standard fed ships with the fighters.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    True, we never saw a real carrier in Star Trek, with the exception of the Scimitar.

    Pretty much all starships were carriers in that they could carry fighters instead of shuttles. And the Peregrines were warp capable as well so they wouldn't necessarily be transported into battle.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Azurian wrote: »
    Pretty much all starships were carriers in that they could carry fighters instead of shuttles.
    And this begets the question:

    Where are my pets?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    And this begets the question:

    Where are my pets?

    I don't know where you keep your pets, but mine is usually on the bed next to my computer or curled up in my lap when I play. He gets all excited when I tell him to raise the shields.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    ´
    Didn't see much of DS9 did ya? The fed's had wings of fighters, I believe they were called Peregrines, but don't quote me on that.
    Actually, the Peregrines were refitted civilian courier shuttles that Starfleet Academy occasionally uses as a trainer (before DS9 they were only known to be used by the Maquis). They've thrown them in with the fleet because Operation Return was an "all or nothing" kind of battle, as Starfleet would've had no chance would the Dominion have succeeded to bring its reinforcements through the wormhole.
    captnwan wrote: »
    "Do all" super ships are not as entertaining as folks might think.
    Indeed. This includes the first draft of the Akira. I swear, the only things missing were a phase cloak and a transwarp drive.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Valias wrote:
    ´Actually, the Peregrines were refitted civilian courier shuttles that Starfleet Academy occasionally uses as a trainer (before DS9 they were only known to be used by the Maquis). They've thrown them in with the fleet because Operation Return was an "all or nothing" kind of battle, as Starfleet would've had no chance would the Dominion have succeeded to bring its reinforcements through the wormhole.

    As I recall, it was never really clear what the Peregrine-class was, especially since it was never seen in the episode it was mentioned in. It could have either been the "Federation Fighters" or the ship Chakotay piloted in "Caretaker."
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Archanubis wrote:
    As I recall, it was never really clear what the Peregrine-class was, especially since it was never seen in the episode it was mentioned in. It could have either been the "Federation Fighters" or the ship Chakotay piloted in "Caretaker."
    From the dialogue in Heart of Stone:

    Kira: "They've just been attacked by a Maquis interceptor."
    Odo: "Long-range sensors are detecting a modified Peregrine-class courier ship. Lightly armed, one man crew, bearing two-six-eight mark three-zero-one."
    Kira: "The Maquis use Peregrine-class courier ships."

    In the episode The Maquis we see the Maquis use the very same ship later labeled "Attack Fighters" by Sisko, and the description from Heart of Stone fits. They get into a dogfight with the Runabouts from DS9 and are outgunned and outmaneuvered by them.

    Chakotay's Raider was a Ju'day. Somewhat similar in shape, but much larger and with a much bigger crew. The hull similarities (non-canon mentions that they exist because both ships are produced by the same company) often cause Trek fans to confuse the Peregrine with the Ju'day.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Valias wrote:
    From the dialogue in Heart of Stone:

    Kira: "They've just been attacked by a Maquis interceptor."
    Odo: "Long-range sensors are detecting a modified Peregrine-class courier ship. Lightly armed, one man crew, bearing two-six-eight mark three-zero-one."
    Kira: "The Maquis use Peregrine-class courier ships."

    In the episode The Maquis we see the Maquis use the very same ship later labeled "Attack Fighters" by Sisko, and the description from Heart of Stone fits. They get into a dogfight with the Runabouts from DS9 and are outgunned and outmaneuvered by them.

    Chakotay's Raider was a Ju'day. Somewhat similar in shape, but much larger and with a much bigger crew. The hull similarities (non-canon mentions that they exist because both ships are produced by the same company) often cause Trek fans to confuse the Peregrine with the Ju'day.

    As I said, it was never seen. It could have been a wholy differing design from the other two. "The Maquis" depicts a crew of two in at least one, and Chakotay's ship has an indeterminate amount. Either could have been operated by a single pilot, I guess.

    And when was Chakotay's Raider referred to as a "Ju'day?" Granted, I have watched much of Voyager past Seven's introduction or the last episodes, but I never recalled them ever stated what type of ship it was.

    Ex Astris Scientia article on the "true" Peregrine-class.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Well, either way the "Attack Fighters" showed up in the hands of civilian settlers (Maquis) first and Starfleet later and only once, so it seems clear to me that they're not military designs. That, and that they are inferior to a Runabout.

    Granted, I kind of adopted the habit of calling them Peregrines because I like things to have a name, and even if it's just conjecture, there is nothing that would suggest a contradiction, so... :D

    STO labels them as Peregrines, too, by the way. And if we keep in mind that CBS has to sign off on that kind of stuff...
    Archanubis wrote:
    And when was Chakotay's Raider referred to as a "Ju'day?"
    Just a small background reference, but it was in the episode Repression. Memory Alpha mentions it here.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Valias wrote:
    STO labels them as Peregrines, too, by the way. And if we keep in mind that CBS has to sign off on that kind of stuff...

    Probably for convenience, I'd imagine. You have to call them something.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Archanubis wrote:
    Probably for convenience, I'd imagine. You have to call them something.

    Would be awesome if they were just called 'Something'.

    And then the players get them. And there are cries to nerf Somethings. And people try to sell them. Oh, imagine the chaos!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Archanubis wrote:
    Probably for convenience, I'd imagine.
    Well, would not be the first time something became canon just because of that.

    Also, yes @ chaos! :D

    Something something attack fighter
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Valias wrote:
    Well, would not be the first time something became canon just because of that.

    Also, yes @ chaos! :D

    Something something attack fighter

    And could you imagine the scene on the bridge?

    Tac Officer: Sir, there is Something on our scanners.
    Captain: What is it?
    Tac Officer: It's three Somethings, sir. They are coming in fast.
    Captain: Sounds serious. Can you identify what they are?
    Tac Officer: They are definitely Somethings.
    Captain: Can you be more specific?
    Tac Officer: Yeah. They are Somethings.

    Would be like Who's on First, except in Star Trek.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    I think I will name my next ship "She's one of ours sir".

    Should buy me a few seconds.
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