I was never able to get into it. I just didnt think it was as good a series as TNG and Voyager. Maybe it was the fact it was set on a space station instead of a ship. I've just come across people that LOVE DS9 and I just don't feel it
Took me a while to like DS9, but once I got to know the characters it has become my favorite show. The main reason is that most of the episodes are very rewatchable without being boring.
Perhaps on your first time round you should watch just a few episodes of the first two seasons and concentrate on the later one which IMO were much better.
.........."the shops are open"......(<
guess where thats from fellow gamers?)
Fable 2 perhaps?
I didn't like DS9 at first either, but that was just "it's not Picard" syndrome.
I had the same issue when TNG came out....."it's not Kirk"
Avery Brooks really grew on me though, Sisko came across as a jerk at first...but in comparison to some other captains in the canon........Sisko had the biggest steel clankers of them all.......Love him
DS9 is the most real Star Trek there is. The characters deal with issues that aren't so perfect and black and white. The characters have... character. There's huge interesting story arcs and it's not as episodic based (which you might notice is a dying breed because it sucks). It's got the BEST storytelling out of all of them.
TNG and TOS have stronger characters (not physical strength or anything). That's about all I can say there. There's no terribly strong characters in DS9. There's no Spock or Kirk or Data or Picard. However, the story arcs, the stories themselves and the more human nature to the whole thing makes up for it.
Plus Worf finally got good in DS9. In TNG for several seasons he was just a d00d that screamed a lot and got beat up a lot. TNG gave him good character.
ds9 is very different to other trek and i can understand why people might not 'get it' but its easily the best star trek to me and has all the things i like; tons of action action, lots of story arcs, interesting character, more realistic, lots of regular guest stars, political situation and ramifications that affect the entire star trek landscape.
the only thing i advise, as i cant make people like it is to stick with it. often people watch the first series or two and say they hate it or dislike it and expect the next 6 years to be the same. it starts getting awesome around the end of season 2 and never really stops. the dominion war stuff is beyond epic.
try the episode 'the way of the warrior' and if that does not make you like it then its just not your series.
I drudged through the first two seasons but when Avery Brooks was allowed to turn into Hawk, then it got to be a really good show. That and they made Cirroc Lofton's character not so whiney
I was rather cool to DS9 for awhile, but after watching the series all the way through, I warmed up to it. It's still a close second to TNG for me, but it's a little higher up than TOS and definately steps above VOY and ENT.
Plus Worf finally got good in DS9. In TNG for several seasons he was just a d00d that screamed a lot and got beat up a lot. TNG gave him good character.
yeah TNG Worf really did earn the nickname 'microbrain' "I shall shoot the viewscreen, thereby killing the bad guy!"
As for DS9 many of the eps in the first seasons are very slow, but they do have some amazing gems among them like 'Duet' and "The Wire'. Great character pieces involving Cardassians.
Even once it picks up in the action department most of my other favourites are one offs that don't really deal with the Dominion like 'The Visitor' "Hard Time' "Trials and Tribble-ations' "Empok Nor' "Time's Orphan' and 'The Sound of her Voice'.
Ferengi eps are always good for a laugh too. Armin Shimerman really made up for the appalling way Ferengi were portayed in TNG (To think they were building them up to be the big bad guys of TNG...)
As for the Dominion war itself, there's eps like 'improbable cause' and 'the die is cast' are great Garak pieces. 'Homefront' and 'Paradise Lost' are eps which people LOVE or HATE with no inbetween as it slaps Roddenberry's ideals right in the face with the silken glove of reality, in later seasons 'In the Pale Moonlight' follows up the slap with a knee to the groin and 'The Siege of AR-558' finishes it off with a headbutt.
Plus, the ep 'Battle Lines' has a monolgue about the futility of PvP without a death penalty. Gotta give them points for seeing far enough into our future to be able to say something on STO's basic gameplay mechanics.
DS9 showed us a side of Star Trek we'd never before seen. Before DS9, we had JOHNNY AMERICAN saving the UNIVERSE from ITSELF (fanfare), which I can't stand, in TOS, and the exact same thing updated for "the times" and "political correctness" in TNG. TOS and TNG were both good series. TNG remains my favorite Trek series to this day. But DS9... finally felt real.
yeah TNG Worf really did earn the nickname 'microbrain' "I shall shoot the viewscreen, thereby killing the bad guy!"
His attitude got better as the series went on, although he never quite got over getting tossed around like a rag doll or have something dropped on him in that series. Considering how many times he was injured, and even taking into account Klingon durability, that spinal injury in "Ethics" really doesn't come as much of a surprise. He didn't quite shake it in DS9 later, but the writers at least gave him enough bad TRIBBLE moments to offset that - not to mention the post-Generation films where he actually gets to beat or blow stuff up.
I will say that when I rewatch the DS9 series on DVD, I skip over the Mirror Universe episodes; once or twice was okay, but after that, it was just egregious. Fortunately, they don't have any relevance on stories in the "Prime" universe, so they can be ignored without issues.
DS9 is actually my fav. The first two seasons were pretty hard to take, thou. Surprised no one mentions the awesomeness that is Garak. Not so much the actor (kind of a scenery chewer) but talk about a great character. Some of the best acting in any trek series is in DS9, too. The guy who played Gul Dukot - every time he is in a scene, he owns it. Avery Brooks got to be a better actor over the course of the series, too. Oh, and Martok. Another awesome character and actor.
If it wasn't for all the religious stuff being shoe horned into every episode, I may have liked it a smidge. While I am kicking your butt I don't want to be preached at.
So here's my question, since at the end of the series, Sisko ascends(for lack of a better term) to be with the Prophets, and seeing how the Prophets exist in a non-linear temporal fashion. Does that mean Sisko was with the Prophets the whole time of the DS9 series?
Well, I like all of the Star Trek series (Yes, even Enterprise) and DS9 is among my favourites. I think it's the fact that it does have an element of realism to it. They aren't out exploring the galaxy (At least, not in the same manner as in TNG and TOS) but they're on a space station. There are civillians on DS9 and people getting on with their day-to-day business (though this was something we say in TNG, to an extent). The first few seasons are a little stretched with many less than pleasing storylines, this changes after season Worf comes in in season four though. The characters on DS9 are explored as individuals in ways we didn't really see in other series (Debateably). My advice to the original poster is to start from season four.
So here's my question, since at the end of the series, Sisko ascends(for lack of a better term) to be with the Prophets, and seeing how the Prophets exist in a non-linear temporal fashion. Does that mean Sisko was with the Prophets the whole time of the DS9 series?
So here's my question, since at the end of the series, Sisko ascends(for lack of a better term) to be with the Prophets, and seeing how the Prophets exist in a non-linear temporal fashion. Does that mean Sisko was with the Prophets the whole time of the DS9 series?
Yes. He was there all along, and at the same time, he was never there.
Don't try to wrap your head around time shenanigans, man.
Are you sure? I remember him being chosen as the Emissary of the Prophets since he was the first corpreal being they had met, but then there was that Bajoran who met them 300 years (+ or -) before hand as he viewed it, but he met the Prophets after Sisko. It just seems to me that since they effectively exist outside of the linear flow time, that his post ascended self would have been there during his pre-ascended self's meetings with the Prophets
There was a depth to DS9 that couldn't work in the other shows. Because the situation there was static - they didn't go exploring until later in the series - the show was based more on serial plot arcs. The writers continued returning to Bajor, and while the Bajoran civil conflict could have been fleshed out better in the first two seasons, there was some good writing there. I argue that DS9 turned the corner when Ron Moore joined the staff, and I think most people agree.
DS9 was ok...but I got annoyed with the political and religious propaganda they spewed on a weekly basis.....Moreso then any other series....A lot of TNG and TOS were commentary on current events...but DS9 to me went too far with it.
DS-9 got pretty good once they watched enough Bab-5 to figure out how to make the space station thing work. Definitely better than TNG. Just felt more real. Actions had more consequences, everything wasn't perfect again by the end of the episode. There was more character development than a single character growing a beard. Yeah, I'm not a huge TNG fan, too many meetings, too much modifying the deflector array, not enough character development or consequences.
That said, it didn't do it all as well as Bab-5 did. A lot of the time the major plot felt disjointed, like continuity wasn't really that important or the writers just decided that in this episode something big will happen. It didn't feel like they planned out a story to tell over X seasons, but rather, that they made it up season by season. Which is a shame, as they had the budget to do it well, if only they'd had someone with the vision.
Are you sure? I remember him being chosen as the Emissary of the Prophets since he was the first corpreal being they had met, but then there was that Bajoran who met them 300 years (+ or -) before hand as he viewed it, but he met the Prophets after Sisko. It just seems to me that since they effectively exist outside of the linear flow time, that his post ascended self would have been there during his pre-ascended self's meetings with the Prophets
DS-9 got pretty good once they watched enough Bab-5 to figure out how to make the space station thing work. Definitely better than TNG. Just felt more real. Actions had more consequences, everything wasn't perfect again by the end of the episode. There was more character development than a single character growing a beard. Yeah, I'm not a huge TNG fan, too many meetings, too much modifying the deflector array, not enough character development or consequences.
That said, it didn't do it all as well as Bab-5 did. A lot of the time the major plot felt disjointed, like continuity wasn't really that important or the writers just decided that in this episode something big will happen. It didn't feel like they planned out a story to tell over X seasons, but rather, that they made it up season by season. Which is a shame, as they had the budget to do it well, if only they'd had someone with the vision.
babylon 5 did giant over arcing stories very well and no one has better character development but i always found bab 5 stand alone eps to be quite poor. its like MJS has a great overall story but fell over with the weekly stuff.
For me DS9 was Trek for the religious folk, and i thought it also took some of the social commentary a little too far. I watch Trek to be entertained, not to get a tweaked recap on my weekly news. The show just didnt mesh with me that much, the only time it got good for me was the Dominion Wars. It's not a bad show, its just in my opinion the weakest Trek show entertainment wise. Aw hell, for entertainments sake here's how I rank each series.
1- TNG
2- TOS
3- Voy
4- Ent
5- DS9
Sorry if someone takes offense to me putting Enterprise above DS9. I didnt think it was that bad of a show. And proptip: Enterprise stayed on the air longer than TOS did.
So here's my question, since at the end of the series, Sisko ascends(for lack of a better term) to be with the Prophets, and seeing how the Prophets exist in a non-linear temporal fashion. Does that mean Sisko was with the Prophets the whole time of the DS9 series?
The first couple seasons hit me like a daytime soap, couldn't stand it initially.
However, after about mid way into season three I did begin enjoying it. The Dominion War was outstanding.
I was the same way.
The show early on was too much like a soap to me and that was the reason why I never could get into the new Battlestar Galactica series as well as the new Stargate series SGU either.
I love the battles and the action, but imo there was too much of that soap opra feel with the DS9 series for a lot of the episodes..
The Dominion Wars as you mentioned was the highlight of the series for me, loved it.
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Perhaps on your first time round you should watch just a few episodes of the first two seasons and concentrate on the later one which IMO were much better.
That and Im very serious about my Dabo.........."the shops are open"......(<
guess where thats from fellow gamers?)
However, after about mid way into season three I did begin enjoying it. The Dominion War was outstanding.
I second this notion.....good call
Fable 2 perhaps?
I didn't like DS9 at first either, but that was just "it's not Picard" syndrome.
I had the same issue when TNG came out....."it's not Kirk"
Avery Brooks really grew on me though, Sisko came across as a jerk at first...but in comparison to some other captains in the canon........Sisko had the biggest steel clankers of them all.......Love him
TNG and TOS have stronger characters (not physical strength or anything). That's about all I can say there. There's no terribly strong characters in DS9. There's no Spock or Kirk or Data or Picard. However, the story arcs, the stories themselves and the more human nature to the whole thing makes up for it.
Plus Worf finally got good in DS9. In TNG for several seasons he was just a d00d that screamed a lot and got beat up a lot. TNG gave him good character.
the only thing i advise, as i cant make people like it is to stick with it. often people watch the first series or two and say they hate it or dislike it and expect the next 6 years to be the same. it starts getting awesome around the end of season 2 and never really stops. the dominion war stuff is beyond epic.
try the episode 'the way of the warrior' and if that does not make you like it then its just not your series.
yeah TNG Worf really did earn the nickname 'microbrain' "I shall shoot the viewscreen, thereby killing the bad guy!"
As for DS9 many of the eps in the first seasons are very slow, but they do have some amazing gems among them like 'Duet' and "The Wire'. Great character pieces involving Cardassians.
Even once it picks up in the action department most of my other favourites are one offs that don't really deal with the Dominion like 'The Visitor' "Hard Time' "Trials and Tribble-ations' "Empok Nor' "Time's Orphan' and 'The Sound of her Voice'.
Ferengi eps are always good for a laugh too. Armin Shimerman really made up for the appalling way Ferengi were portayed in TNG (To think they were building them up to be the big bad guys of TNG...)
As for the Dominion war itself, there's eps like 'improbable cause' and 'the die is cast' are great Garak pieces. 'Homefront' and 'Paradise Lost' are eps which people LOVE or HATE with no inbetween as it slaps Roddenberry's ideals right in the face with the silken glove of reality, in later seasons 'In the Pale Moonlight' follows up the slap with a knee to the groin and 'The Siege of AR-558' finishes it off with a headbutt.
Plus, the ep 'Battle Lines' has a monolgue about the futility of PvP without a death penalty. Gotta give them points for seeing far enough into our future to be able to say something on STO's basic gameplay mechanics.
His attitude got better as the series went on, although he never quite got over getting tossed around like a rag doll or have something dropped on him in that series. Considering how many times he was injured, and even taking into account Klingon durability, that spinal injury in "Ethics" really doesn't come as much of a surprise. He didn't quite shake it in DS9 later, but the writers at least gave him enough bad TRIBBLE moments to offset that - not to mention the post-Generation films where he actually gets to beat or blow stuff up.
"Definately feeling aggressive tendencies sir!" indeed.
I will say that when I rewatch the DS9 series on DVD, I skip over the Mirror Universe episodes; once or twice was okay, but after that, it was just egregious. Fortunately, they don't have any relevance on stories in the "Prime" universe, so they can be ignored without issues.
The one I like the least it Voyager.
He was after but not before.
Yes. He was there all along, and at the same time, he was never there.
Don't try to wrap your head around time shenanigans, man.
It'll eat your sanity.
Are you sure? I remember him being chosen as the Emissary of the Prophets since he was the first corpreal being they had met, but then there was that Bajoran who met them 300 years (+ or -) before hand as he viewed it, but he met the Prophets after Sisko. It just seems to me that since they effectively exist outside of the linear flow time, that his post ascended self would have been there during his pre-ascended self's meetings with the Prophets
Gotta love Temporal Paradoxes
As for the rest, the REAL Sisko didn't show up till Season 3 and he went all "Hawk" on the Cardassians
That said, it didn't do it all as well as Bab-5 did. A lot of the time the major plot felt disjointed, like continuity wasn't really that important or the writers just decided that in this episode something big will happen. It didn't feel like they planned out a story to tell over X seasons, but rather, that they made it up season by season. Which is a shame, as they had the budget to do it well, if only they'd had someone with the vision.
Wibbly wobbly timey wimey...stuff
babylon 5 did giant over arcing stories very well and no one has better character development but i always found bab 5 stand alone eps to be quite poor. its like MJS has a great overall story but fell over with the weekly stuff.
1- TNG
2- TOS
3- Voy
4- Ent
5- DS9
Sorry if someone takes offense to me putting Enterprise above DS9. I didnt think it was that bad of a show. And proptip: Enterprise stayed on the air longer than TOS did.
What would a Star Trek series be without it?
Consider my mind officially blown.
I was the same way.
The show early on was too much like a soap to me and that was the reason why I never could get into the new Battlestar Galactica series as well as the new Stargate series SGU either.
I love the battles and the action, but imo there was too much of that soap opra feel with the DS9 series for a lot of the episodes..
The Dominion Wars as you mentioned was the highlight of the series for me, loved it.