A lot of people don't like the fact that there's more uniform variations in Starfleet these days than at your average fancy dress carnival. Personally It only bothers me a little, I have my own view on what uniform Starfleet should be wearing based on the ones currently in the game and I apply that to all my characters.
So, how about the ability to set a "default" uniform up that would then appear on all Starfleet personnel (except ones with special tags like Admirals etc) both player and NPC, but only to the person setting it?
For instance, you'd go into the tailor and create a uniform, with one of the colour options being "department colour" so you could set a certain piece to always be in the colour of whatever department that character came from. Then in the options somewhere would be an "Apply default uniform to all Starfleet personnel" option that would make everyone appear in that uniform, including your Boffs.
People who like the variety are happy, people who hate everyone running around in a different uniform are happy, and it might even encourage more people to buy their favourite uniform from the C-Store if they know they can make the whole of Starfleet appear in it, to them at least.
I do see your point and either way doesn't bother me. However, I see it being sorta what happened in EQ2 when they came out with the SOGA character models. It was based on each persons' preference. If you wanted to see original models you could, if you wanted to see SOGA you could.
The problem with this though, it made a lot of people mad. You would see a ton of 'I designed my character to look this way, I want everyone to see the character how I want', where as others wanted to see characters look how they wanted.
With this idea, you may see player A wearing what you want them to wear, but the person playing that character may want you to see how they designed that character. If that makes sense?
I'm sure I read the same suggestion about a week ago^^
For the default uniform at Starfleet personal; thats one I support in any case. As far as I know such a function is coming for the "no name" crew on the own ship, may be that can be extendet to the personal in starbases ect? The files wich define the "looks" of that NPCs I believe are on the PC not on the server, so if we can customize that I do not thing that it is impossible that every player sees that NPCs in diffrent uniforms.
For the Default uniforms at other players... I dont thing that works. I mean technicly most likley, but if a player puts a lot of efford in that uniform he might be a little upset if that can be simply switched off.... (although I'D love to do that quiet often. At the beginning of the game I avoidet Teaming because I wantet my away team in StarFLEET to have a Uniform. That Uniform mess doesnt seem right for an orginasation like the Federation, but for a game... it gives nice costumisation options and is fun)
Big NO from me on this idea, beside I do not facy some player watching my took in the most skimpy outfit he/she could think off. yes I am male and I play a female toon, but I prefer them to remain fully dressed.
Big NO from me on this idea, beside I do not facy some player watching my took in the most skimpy outfit he/she could think off. yes I am male and I play a female toon, but I prefer them to remain fully dressed.
One would imagine that people interested in RP-ing would not have the toggle on in the first place?
Why is everything suggested on these forums so polarized in discussions? It seems there's too many people here ready to dismiss any form of idea they don't necessarily see as a benefit to themselves out of hand, without considering the valid points of other people.
You may enjoy seeing the effort people have gone to in creating uniforms. I personally have seen a few I thought were really good, but they are drastically outweighed by the ones that are, quite frankly, a hideous eyesore. All I'm suggesting is the option, for your own personal use, to have Starfleet personnel appear in a uniform you design. This would keep the people who like customization happy because they can continue to do so, and keep those who wish Starfleet actually had a uniform happy because they can set it so everyone wears the same thing.
I don't get the negative responses. No-one loses out. It certainly wouldn't be the default setting, you would have to actively set it up.
This is an old idea, one I support, and one that I doubt Cryptic would bother with the effort to implement even if they thought it would be a good idea. It'd lower the perceived value of the C-store costumes, for one thing...
This is an old idea, one I support, and one that I doubt Cryptic would bother with the effort to implement even if they thought it would be a good idea. It'd lower the perceived value of the C-store costumes, for one thing...
I sorta figured it might have been suggested previously, but I'd argue it would in fact do the opposite and increase the value of uniforms in the C-Store. People who like the uniform can still buy it and have it affect their character, but with this option they can even have it apply Starfleet-wide.
A lot of people don't like the fact that there's more uniform variations in Starfleet these days than at your average fancy dress carnival. Personally It only bothers me a little, I have my own view on what uniform Starfleet should be wearing based on the ones currently in the game and I apply that to all my characters.
So, how about the ability to set a "default" uniform up that would then appear on all Starfleet personnel (except ones with special tags like Admirals etc) both player and NPC, but only to the person setting it?
For instance, you'd go into the tailor and create a uniform, with one of the colour options being "department colour" so you could set a certain piece to always be in the colour of whatever department that character came from. Then in the options somewhere would be an "Apply default uniform to all Starfleet personnel" option that would make everyone appear in that uniform, including your Boffs.
People who like the variety are happy, people who hate everyone running around in a different uniform are happy, and it might even encourage more people to buy their favourite uniform from the C-Store if they know they can make the whole of Starfleet appear in it, to them at least.
And this is why I say it would be perceived as lowering the value of C-store sales
I'd be willing to wager the proportion of people who bought a uniform so they could have other people look at it is small, when compared to the people who bought it because they wanted to see their character wear it.
Or, in other words, few people really care about how other people see their character in this game, because it's mostly single-player anyway.
One would imagine that people interested in RP-ing would not have the toggle on in the first place?
Basicly RP would have the greatest benefit from that function, because in RP it is, in my opinion most important that a FLEET has a UNIFORM.
But that would work out very bad for people like me who simply are no Starfleet Officers in RP... for example. Or for those who conect a certain RP background with the uniform they wear..
Why? Why do you get to enforce your wishes over mine?
It's ok saying it, but give me reasons why this should be so. Why does your artistic vision take precedence over mine?
Love a good discussion!
Imagine - in real life.... you dress up for a certain purpose, put great efford in the way you look and somehow... through magic or whatever, someone forces you to walk arround in a pink dress with purple flowers on it... or in a TRIBBLE uniform.... or naked. (or at last manages to see you that way somehow and you know that). Would you like that? I wouldnt.
Of course its a game. But we create our Avatars the way they look because we want them to look that way. That also means that we want to be SEEN that way, not the way other players prefer.
1) I want people to see the uniform that I just spent an hour working on.
2) The extra work the server would have to do as everyone in the instance runs uniform filters on everyone else is likely to increase the lag on the already laggy social zones. Especially Earth Space Dock.
3) I want the devs working on adding more content to the game. Not working on silly things like this just because you can't handle the fact that not everyone wants to wear the same uniform as you.
I guess it must be a simple difference in opinion. I couldn't care less about how other people view my character. I dress them the way I do for me, not for anyone else, because that's the way I find them visually pleasing. If the option existed and someone used it to see my character running around in the skimpiest outfit imaginable, I don't care because odds are I'll never know about it anyway.
I may not agree with their choice of outfit, but I'm a strong supporter of the right for them to be able to set a default uniform in whatever style they want. As long as it doesn't affect what other people see, I don't view it as a problem.
1) I want people to see the uniform that I just spent an hour working on.
2) The extra work the server would have to do as everyone in the instance runs uniform filters on everyone else is likely to increase the lag on the already laggy social zones. Especially Earth Space Dock.
3) I want the devs working on adding more content to the game. Not working on silly things like this just because you can't handle the fact that not everyone wants to wear the same uniform as you.
Ok, if you want to take the confrontational tone:
1 - I don't care that you spent an hour on your uniform. I'm not interested in it. You could have spent 6 years on it and I wouldn't care. Do you need me to give you a pat on the back for all the hard work you put in? Is that why you're determined everyone should see it the way you want? Again, why does what YOU want to precedence over what I want?
2 - I would imagine most of the processing would be done client-side, as that's where the changes would be made. Not being conversant in how the Cryptic Engine works I couldn't say, and I would argue neither can you. The only people qualified to post about the technical limitations/issues of sich an idea are the Devs themselves.
3 - I want more content too. I never said this should take priority over more content, and nor did I suggest any form of timescale for the development of it. You are simply assuming that I want it "now now now" because it suits your aggressive style of posting and gives you another shot to fire at me. Unfortunately for you, I was simply floating the idea for possible inclusion into the development schedule at some point in the future. Creating content and adding what you view as "silly" (just because you don't agree with it or see any benefit in it for yourself) things are not mutually exclusive you know.
Many players would enjoy such an option. Your post is basically saying that what they want is irrelevant, because what YOU want is more important. I would respectfully suggest you consider the wishes of others as well as your own before arguing against an idea.
they simply said on places like ESD, DS9, and other larger populations it would be a no go due to coding and how it would need to be put in place for the point of view for the player alone.
however, there was talk of implementing this on board your bridge and ship interior as that would not need to be worked in as the other idea would.
they simply said on places like ESD, DS9, and other larger populations it would be a no go due to coding and how it would need to be put in place for the point of view for the player alone.
however, there was talk of implementing this on board your bridge and ship interior as that would not need to be worked in as the other idea would.
makes sense?
Ahh, the sweet voice of reason...
Thank you for that, it deals with the issue and I shall look forward to when I can set my default crew uniform. No point in asking for stuff if a Dev has already said it would be a serious technical challenge
It's a bit of a thorny issue. I do like the idea of a standard uniform toggle that would use something like Cryptic's B-01 for an updated TNG/DS9/VOY look. Other people are going to be offended that you don't want to look at them in their hot pink Enterprise jumpsuit with lime green trim.
If I see an ugly uniform I just move my viewpoint so I dont see it while I'm banking or whatever short term thing I'm doing in a social space, I enjoy seeing a good one and like when I get a comment on mine. Like another poster said, I took time making mine and want it seen.
What I'd prefer to a blanket setting is a visual component to /ignore. That way anyone excessively sensitive would be very lonely, and the people getting overwritten would mostly be the people intentionally being eyesores.
It'd be nice even if it just made the ignored party invisible.
Personal vanity will always override a make sense solution. It won't happen because vanity is what a lot of people are all about in this world, especially in fantasy.
IF it gets implement, what is next? Where is the line?
Don't like overly tall characters? Don't like starfleet klingons? Males/Females?
No, its a very slippery slope, no reason to even take the first step.
Although it won't be implemented, the line would be drawn at a place called common sense :P Something which seems to be lacking in the world today, where everyone reckons they can do whatever they want as long as an explicit rule/law doesn't forbid it...
I want a toggle for avatars, I find purple hair on a female trill in a version of the TNG movie uniform where the black part is white instead to be completely non canon and it upsets me. Why should someone else's desire to display this upsetting avatar be imposed on me?:mad::eek::rolleyes:
Idali makes a good point... once you have your standardized uniforms, ostensably for reasons of immersion (the most commonly cited reason for these kinds of cases, sacred beyond words to a group of people who you'd really expect would bathe more often) then the ultra-thin, ultra-long characters, the tiny Grays and the overly cartoonish giant-torsoes-on-two-twigs are just going to stand out and irritate you that much more. I know they would me. I still regularly find myself looking up and wondering; "Did that really seem like a good idea at the time?"
I'm of two minds on the whole thing. On the one hand, I don't think this'd be that hard to implement, at the very least it wouldn't put any additional stress on the server (though your game might be slower as your computer processes all incoming avatar data, filters out the pane 3 costume options, checks for rank, department and gender, and applies the 'right' ones) and it really doesn't hurt anyone else...
...on the other hand, it might; some sick, black-hearted monster might put my toons in an All Good Things uniform and threaten to publish the screenshots. There'd be a lot of crying huddled up in the shower on my part, then shopping around for secluded gravesites, and possibly a refridgerator full of body parts as a consequence... (It's the principle of the thing.)
And stars forbid the Klingons demand equal treatment again (more people I wish would bathe more)j, cause while overall they're probably less uniform minded than Fedlings, they do loves them barricades. And the task of figuring out how to furnish their side with a similar system that takes into account all their racially unique costume options looks to me like a potentially bountiful source of deadline related suicides. And then we have to break in a new dev team!
I don't suppose there's much of a modding community for STO? Cause something like this sounds right up their alley, it'd not tie up the developers doing something only a fairly small subset of players cares about, and any broken spirit on my part, or perceived injustices to the Klingon players, can't be blamed on Cryptic cause they didn't do it.
Also...
Did anyone ever check if those tiny Grays can look up under the Elastigirls' skirts?
Although it won't be implemented, the line would be drawn at a place called common sense :P Something which seems to be lacking in the world today, where everyone reckons they can do whatever they want as long as an explicit rule/law doesn't forbid it...
Common sense is so rare it should be considered a super power. I'd just ask whose sense is the common one?
I want a toggle for avatars, I find purple hair on a female trill in a version of the TNG movie uniform where the black part is white instead to be completely non canon and it upsets me. Why should someone else's desire to display this upsetting avatar be imposed on me?
Get you facts straight, I wear a TMP top that's black where "cream white" should be, with 7 of 9 sexy pants and boots.:p
******
If they toggle the uniforms, next people will want ships, and after that the weapons look bad. Don't forget the borg add on (now with it's own thread!), names, etc. Indeed the slope is slippery....
Did anyone ever check if those tiny Grays can look up under the Elastigirls' skirts?
Cause I think I'm onto something...
*snickers*
As for the less humorous parts of the post, that's part of the reason why I think any editation of PCs should be tied to /ignore and probably just limited to not displaying them at all.
I want a toggle for avatars, I find purple hair on a female trill in a version of the TNG movie uniform where the black part is white instead to be completely non canon and it upsets me. Why should someone else's desire to display this upsetting avatar be imposed on me?:mad::eek:
Just for the lulz...
There is no canon reason why someone can't dye their hair any colour they want. They can do that NOW, let alone in the 25th century!
Also, if you wander over to your control panel you will note that you do, in fact, have the ability to turn off not just avatars but signatures as well on this forum software. See, options are good
Nope, since no purple haired trills were seen on screen, regardless of whether they could dye thier hair, that makes 'em non canon 8') And I can't turn off that setting because that would deprive me of seeing everyones, not just yours 8')
Speaking of non canon, any old timers remember the Captains can't jump argument?
Nope, since no purple haired trills were seen on screen, regardless of whether they could dye thier hair, that makes 'em non canon 8') And I can't turn off that setting because that would deprive me of seeing everyones, not just yours 8')
Speaking of non canon, any old timers remember the Captains can't jump argument?
I don't, but I'll raise you a no one was seen using the bathroom argument.
I'm going to be toggled off?
So...this is the big goodbye?
Tell me something, CapnBludd. When I'm toggled off... will this world still exit? Will my wife and kids still be waiting for me at home?
A conversation about enforcing uniform options from a person with an Avatar from an in game character with purple hair and a non-standard uniform/colors.
So seeing as how your AV offends me. I'm proposing a mandated set of generic AVs for all. This way I don't have to see so many silly looking avatars.
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The problem with this though, it made a lot of people mad. You would see a ton of 'I designed my character to look this way, I want everyone to see the character how I want', where as others wanted to see characters look how they wanted.
With this idea, you may see player A wearing what you want them to wear, but the person playing that character may want you to see how they designed that character. If that makes sense?
For the default uniform at Starfleet personal; thats one I support in any case. As far as I know such a function is coming for the "no name" crew on the own ship, may be that can be extendet to the personal in starbases ect? The files wich define the "looks" of that NPCs I believe are on the PC not on the server, so if we can customize that I do not thing that it is impossible that every player sees that NPCs in diffrent uniforms.
For the Default uniforms at other players... I dont thing that works. I mean technicly most likley, but if a player puts a lot of efford in that uniform he might be a little upset if that can be simply switched off.... (although I'D love to do that quiet often. At the beginning of the game I avoidet Teaming because I wantet my away team in StarFLEET to have a Uniform. That Uniform mess doesnt seem right for an orginasation like the Federation, but for a game... it gives nice costumisation options and is fun)
Big NO from me on this idea, beside I do not facy some player watching my took in the most skimpy outfit he/she could think off. yes I am male and I play a female toon, but I prefer them to remain fully dressed.
One would imagine that people interested in RP-ing would not have the toggle on in the first place?
Why is everything suggested on these forums so polarized in discussions? It seems there's too many people here ready to dismiss any form of idea they don't necessarily see as a benefit to themselves out of hand, without considering the valid points of other people.
You may enjoy seeing the effort people have gone to in creating uniforms. I personally have seen a few I thought were really good, but they are drastically outweighed by the ones that are, quite frankly, a hideous eyesore. All I'm suggesting is the option, for your own personal use, to have Starfleet personnel appear in a uniform you design. This would keep the people who like customization happy because they can continue to do so, and keep those who wish Starfleet actually had a uniform happy because they can set it so everyone wears the same thing.
I don't get the negative responses. No-one loses out. It certainly wouldn't be the default setting, you would have to actively set it up.
I sorta figured it might have been suggested previously, but I'd argue it would in fact do the opposite and increase the value of uniforms in the C-Store. People who like the uniform can still buy it and have it affect their character, but with this option they can even have it apply Starfleet-wide.
only for npc.
you WILL look at my char as i designed it.
Why? Why do you get to enforce your wishes over mine?
It's ok saying it, but give me reasons why this should be so. Why does your artistic vision take precedence over mine?
Love a good discussion!
And this is why I say it would be perceived as lowering the value of C-store sales
Granted, they could sell the 'global skins' in the C-store independently to compensate,... :rolleyes:
I'd be willing to wager the proportion of people who bought a uniform so they could have other people look at it is small, when compared to the people who bought it because they wanted to see their character wear it.
Or, in other words, few people really care about how other people see their character in this game, because it's mostly single-player anyway.
Basicly RP would have the greatest benefit from that function, because in RP it is, in my opinion most important that a FLEET has a UNIFORM.
But that would work out very bad for people like me who simply are no Starfleet Officers in RP... for example. Or for those who conect a certain RP background with the uniform they wear..
Imagine - in real life.... you dress up for a certain purpose, put great efford in the way you look and somehow... through magic or whatever, someone forces you to walk arround in a pink dress with purple flowers on it... or in a TRIBBLE uniform.... or naked. (or at last manages to see you that way somehow and you know that). Would you like that? I wouldnt.
Of course its a game. But we create our Avatars the way they look because we want them to look that way. That also means that we want to be SEEN that way, not the way other players prefer.
1) I want people to see the uniform that I just spent an hour working on.
2) The extra work the server would have to do as everyone in the instance runs uniform filters on everyone else is likely to increase the lag on the already laggy social zones. Especially Earth Space Dock.
3) I want the devs working on adding more content to the game. Not working on silly things like this just because you can't handle the fact that not everyone wants to wear the same uniform as you.
I may not agree with their choice of outfit, but I'm a strong supporter of the right for them to be able to set a default uniform in whatever style they want. As long as it doesn't affect what other people see, I don't view it as a problem.
Ok, if you want to take the confrontational tone:
1 - I don't care that you spent an hour on your uniform. I'm not interested in it. You could have spent 6 years on it and I wouldn't care. Do you need me to give you a pat on the back for all the hard work you put in? Is that why you're determined everyone should see it the way you want? Again, why does what YOU want to precedence over what I want?
2 - I would imagine most of the processing would be done client-side, as that's where the changes would be made. Not being conversant in how the Cryptic Engine works I couldn't say, and I would argue neither can you. The only people qualified to post about the technical limitations/issues of sich an idea are the Devs themselves.
3 - I want more content too. I never said this should take priority over more content, and nor did I suggest any form of timescale for the development of it. You are simply assuming that I want it "now now now" because it suits your aggressive style of posting and gives you another shot to fire at me. Unfortunately for you, I was simply floating the idea for possible inclusion into the development schedule at some point in the future. Creating content and adding what you view as "silly" (just because you don't agree with it or see any benefit in it for yourself) things are not mutually exclusive you know.
Many players would enjoy such an option. Your post is basically saying that what they want is irrelevant, because what YOU want is more important. I would respectfully suggest you consider the wishes of others as well as your own before arguing against an idea.
they simply said on places like ESD, DS9, and other larger populations it would be a no go due to coding and how it would need to be put in place for the point of view for the player alone.
however, there was talk of implementing this on board your bridge and ship interior as that would not need to be worked in as the other idea would.
makes sense?
Ahh, the sweet voice of reason...
Thank you for that, it deals with the issue and I shall look forward to when I can set my default crew uniform. No point in asking for stuff if a Dev has already said it would be a serious technical challenge
It'd be nice even if it just made the ignored party invisible.
Personal vanity will always override a make sense solution. It won't happen because vanity is what a lot of people are all about in this world, especially in fantasy.
Don't like overly tall characters? Don't like starfleet klingons? Males/Females?
No, its a very slippery slope, no reason to even take the first step.
Although it won't be implemented, the line would be drawn at a place called common sense :P Something which seems to be lacking in the world today, where everyone reckons they can do whatever they want as long as an explicit rule/law doesn't forbid it...
I'm of two minds on the whole thing. On the one hand, I don't think this'd be that hard to implement, at the very least it wouldn't put any additional stress on the server (though your game might be slower as your computer processes all incoming avatar data, filters out the pane 3 costume options, checks for rank, department and gender, and applies the 'right' ones) and it really doesn't hurt anyone else...
...on the other hand, it might; some sick, black-hearted monster might put my toons in an All Good Things uniform and threaten to publish the screenshots. There'd be a lot of crying huddled up in the shower on my part, then shopping around for secluded gravesites, and possibly a refridgerator full of body parts as a consequence... (It's the principle of the thing.)
And stars forbid the Klingons demand equal treatment again (more people I wish would bathe more)j, cause while overall they're probably less uniform minded than Fedlings, they do loves them barricades. And the task of figuring out how to furnish their side with a similar system that takes into account all their racially unique costume options looks to me like a potentially bountiful source of deadline related suicides. And then we have to break in a new dev team!
I don't suppose there's much of a modding community for STO? Cause something like this sounds right up their alley, it'd not tie up the developers doing something only a fairly small subset of players cares about, and any broken spirit on my part, or perceived injustices to the Klingon players, can't be blamed on Cryptic cause they didn't do it.
Also...
Did anyone ever check if those tiny Grays can look up under the Elastigirls' skirts?
Cause I think I'm onto something...
Common sense is so rare it should be considered a super power. I'd just ask whose sense is the common one?
Get you facts straight, I wear a TMP top that's black where "cream white" should be, with 7 of 9 sexy pants and boots.:p
******
If they toggle the uniforms, next people will want ships, and after that the weapons look bad. Don't forget the borg add on (now with it's own thread!), names, etc. Indeed the slope is slippery....
*snickers*
As for the less humorous parts of the post, that's part of the reason why I think any editation of PCs should be tied to /ignore and probably just limited to not displaying them at all.
Just for the lulz...
There is no canon reason why someone can't dye their hair any colour they want. They can do that NOW, let alone in the 25th century!
Also, if you wander over to your control panel you will note that you do, in fact, have the ability to turn off not just avatars but signatures as well on this forum software. See, options are good
Speaking of non canon, any old timers remember the Captains can't jump argument?
I don't, but I'll raise you a no one was seen using the bathroom argument.
I'm going to be toggled off?
So...this is the big goodbye?
Tell me something, CapnBludd. When I'm toggled off... will this world still exit? Will my wife and kids still be waiting for me at home?
A conversation about enforcing uniform options from a person with an Avatar from an in game character with purple hair and a non-standard uniform/colors.
So seeing as how your AV offends me. I'm proposing a mandated set of generic AVs for all. This way I don't have to see so many silly looking avatars.
I wonder how far that one will get.