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So how man subs does STO really have?

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According to the following site who make it their buisness to keep track of such things you can now know the answer!

http://www.mmodata.net/

To speed you on towards your answer, check the 50k-150k area. STO is shown to have under 60K subscribers.

I hope this helps put things into perspective for everyone.

Have a great day:)
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    This again?:rolleyes: There is n way to really know it s all just guess work.

    Edit: I don't get why people even care. As long as it s making money and being developed just play and enjoy the game.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    That's still well over 50,000 people subscribed. That's a lot of money generated when you think about C-Store purchases as well
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    You do realise that it's not accurate at all right?

    They have no official data and Cryptic won't let us know how many subs they have.

    For all we know STO can have 600k subscribers.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    I'd trust them when they'd expose their sources for STO's alleged numbers. I hope that puts things in perspective. ;)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    On the right-hand side of their page:

    Disclaimer
    Dispite being carefull and doing the necessary research, MMOData.net cannot guarantee the validity of the information found here as it is based on various sources which could be incomplete, inaccurate or otherwise unreliable. Furthermore, all estimates are the opinion of MMOData.net and should be treated as such.

    Key word in the last sentence there: "opinion"
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Everyone knows that MMOData is just in the business of guessing. They have no hard data and no insiders working at Cryptic, Blizzard, Turbine, or any other MMO that can give them real montly data figures. They look at Steam and other such places that keep track of gamers and guess based on those numbers. It's about as scientific as Astrology.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    The numbers on that site are as accurate as mine would be if I pulled random numbers out of a hat.

    You have a good day too. :cool:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    LordOfPit wrote: »
    I'd trust them when they'd expose their sources for STO's alleged numbers. I hope that puts things in perspective. ;)

    From the site:

    This means that I will add all official datapoints that I receive from the stakeholders ( Devs, Publishers, ... ) directly. On top of that I will add datapoints that are easily verified ( for example the official Blizzard press releases ).

    Also, check the link there titled, MMO and Accuracy List.

    I highly doubt a conspiracy exists to supply false numbers.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    According to the following site who make it their buisness to keep track of such things you can now know the answer!

    http://www.mmodata.net/

    To speed you on towards your answer, check the 50k-150k area. STO is shown to have under 60K subscribers.

    I hope this helps put things into perspective for everyone.

    Have a great day:)

    Even if that were true, I wouldn't believe it based on MMOData.

    That site is probably the single most unreliable site on the internet, including uncyclopedia.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    That's still well over 50,000 people subscribed. That's a lot of money generated when you think about C-Store purchases as well

    Yes, it is a good size of people. And it "feels" right considering the game is selling for 2.99 in some places at less then a year out. I think it's likely very close to the real number, and that's not a bad thing.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    From the site:

    This means that I will add all official datapoints that I receive from the stakeholders ( Devs, Publishers, ... ) directly. On top of that I will add datapoints that are easily verified ( for example the official Blizzard press releases ).

    Also, check the link there titled, MMO and Accuracy List.

    I highly doubt a conspiracy exists to supply false numbers.

    Cryptic has neither released numbers nor have they supplied him with any. All that statement says is that he'd use their numbers if they slipped numbers his way.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    I don't get it. What's the ops point? Star trek has a hardcore following? Is he trying to troll?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    According to the following site, who doesn't make any profit and has been called out repeatedly in the past for faulty information to keep track of such things you can vaguely guess at the answer!

    http://www.mmodata.net/

    To speed you on towards your answer, check the 50k-150k area. STO is shown to have under 60K subscribers - all based on speculation.

    I hope this helps put things into relativistic perspective for everyone.

    Have a great day:)
    it's fixed! :D

    Truth is: this data isn't even revealed in investor financial reports - meaning you have to trust that the site has some secret insider at every company to get their data. :rolleyes:

    occam's razor can't slice through misinformation than thin! :p
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    the STO accuracy rating as described by the site administrator is"
    B – Reasonably Confident : Part of the data points come from official or other reliable sources and part of the data points come from estimates, third party sources, unclear official sources or other indirect information.

    In other words it is at best conjecture. Cryptic does not release this type of information intentionally and probably has a pretty intense security policy regarding this and other similar information. the number of subs can be confirmed only as more than one and less than 6billion.

    This topic is not really worth talking about unless Cryptic makes an official announcement.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    kaighless wrote:
    I don't get it. What's the ops point? Star trek has a hardcore following? Is he trying to troll?

    No, I'm trying to share info. Are you trying to troll? And it's "She" thanks.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    From the site:

    This means that I will add all official datapoints that I receive from the stakeholders ( Devs, Publishers, ... ) directly. On top of that I will add datapoints that are easily verified ( for example the official Blizzard press releases ).

    Also, check the link there titled, MMO and Accuracy List.

    I highly doubt a conspiracy exists to supply false numbers.

    I did check their site. STO has a B rating on their accuracy list:
    "B – Reasonably Confident : Part of the data points come from official or other reliable sources and part of the data points come from estimates, third party sources, unclear official sources or other indirect information."
    Which means that they're saying that the numbers are at least partially coming from legitimate source inside Cryptic/ATARI or are somehow collected from financial documents Cryptic/ATARI releases. That's why I said that I'd trust them when they expose the sources of those data-points.

    Plus, I'm sorry to say this, but I've seen my share of falsified number in places more important than a website talking about conjectures. :rolleyes:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Cryptic has neither released numbers nor have they supplied him with any. All that statement says is that he'd use their numbers if they slipped numbers his way.

    Where is the proof they don't supply this information anyplace? I'd be willing to agree fully with you if you can point to it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    According to the following site who make it their buisness to keep track of such things you can now know the answer!

    http://www.mmodata.net/

    To speed you on towards your answer, check the 50k-150k area. STO is shown to have under 60K subscribers.

    I hope this helps put things into perspective for everyone.

    Have a great day:)

    Lol! - Everyone who's played MMOs over the last few years knows MMO Data's charts are a figment of their own imagination based on any internet chatter they pick up as NO MMO company publishes hard subscription numbers puclically any more (SOE did a few times in EQs heyday; and NCSoft did for the first year of CoH.)

    Yes, MMO Data makes it 'their business' to GUESS the subscription levels of popular MMOs but even teh site owner states he has ZERO hard data on which to base his claims these days. :rolleyes:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    LordOfPit wrote: »


    I did check their site. STO has a B rating on their accuracy list:
    Which means that they're saying that the numbers are at least partially coming from legitimate source inside Cryptic/ATARI or are somehow collected from financial documents Cryptic/ATARI releases. That's why I said that I'd trust them when they expose the sources of those data-points.

    Plus, I'm sorry to say this, but I've seen my share of falsified number in places more important than a website talking about conjectures. :rolleyes:

    A B Rating is good enough for me since I have no delusions that the people who run the list have some vested interest in short changing STO in any way. I'm not that paranoid. So until someone can provide proof that Atari/Cryptic doesn't release this type of information 'at all' I'm content with the number. I"m glad it's not lower.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    I particularly like the fact that MMOData's numbers do not even get STO to 110,000, even though we know Cryptic greatly underestimade the initial sales of the game and anyone here at lauch remembers them having to hurriedly buy additional servers to keep up with the unexpected demand.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    A B Rating is good enough for me since I have no delusions that the people who run the list have some vested interest in short changing STO in any way. I'm not that paranoid. So until someone can provide proof that Atari/Cryptic doesn't release this type of information 'at all' I'm content with the number. I"m glad it's not lower.

    They don't have any data: even investors at Atari don't have ANY population data. :p

    This means the authors are getting this data from secret lawn gnomes at every company because ????
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Where is the proof they don't supply this information anyplace? I'd be willing to agree fully with you if you can point to it.

    how can you prove they didn't supply information? There would be no proof cause nothing happened:confused:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Star Trek Online
    Abbreviation = STO
    Accuracy Rating B
    B – Reasonably Confident : Part of the data points come from official or other reliable sources and part of the data points come from estimates, third party sources, unclear official sources or other indirect information.

    They didn't get it from official source that's for sure, so they are relying it on various "reliable" sources, estimates, third party sources (steam I guess that very few uses), unclear official sources (I guess StormShades post that only around 10% of the subs uses the forums) and indirect information (players?).

    Yea sounds like an extremely accurate list.


    Btw the graph for Lineage2, is that worldwide or just NA? If it's just for NA then I can tell you that it's off by over 2 million subscribers.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Ayenn wrote:
    the STO accuracy rating as described by the site administrator is In other words it is at best conjecture.
    I noticed that too.

    So according to his description of that level of reliability, if I sent him an email saying that STO had 300K subscribers, and I provided a link to JoeRandomDude's forum thread where he claims that STO has 300K subscribers, then he could say that STO has 300K subscribers, and it would have that same 'B' level of reliability.

    Notice the statement on the front of the page? "What I will not do anymore ( for now ) is make estimates..." Know why that's there?

    Because it's already been proven in the past that MMO Data's info is just unreliable fakery. Know how they did it? Some guys used the same basic method that I just described.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Fiorra wrote:
    This again?:rolleyes: There is n way to really know it s all just guess work.

    Edit: I don't get why people even care. As long as it s making money and being developed just play and enjoy the game.

    I agree. As long as the game isn't dying, I am happy :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    A B Rating is good enough for me since I have no delusions that the people who run the list have some vested interest in short changing STO in any way. I'm not that paranoid. So until someone can provide proof that Atari/Cryptic doesn't release this type of information 'at all' I'm content with the number. I"m glad it's not lower.
    As far as I'm concerned they're nothing but scandal loving exhibitionists who would short-change anyone they choose simply to inflate their own importance, as you've done with this thread. :rolleyes:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    "While Cryptic refuses to disclose subscriber numbers, new executive producer Shannon Posniewski told VideoGamer.com that Champions Online now enjoys a "solid" subscriber base, and plans are already in place for content "a year out"."

    http://www.videogamer.com/news/cryptic_champions_online_is_a_middling_success.html

    also from the champions online forum a dev posted

    "Most games do not publish these numbers, ever. They are considered super-secret by the industry. Rare exceptions occur, of course."

    http://forums.champions-online.com/showpost.php?p=995897&postcount=4

    I also know that it has been stated multiple time on this forum that they do not release sub numbers, and the official word from the devs is around 100k subs
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    I agree. As long as the game isn't dying, I am happy :)

    I agree, let's end this talk of subscriber numbers and just enjoy the game
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Where is the proof they don't supply this information anyplace? I'd be willing to agree fully with you if you can point to it.

    StormShade, dstahl and a few other devs has stated several times in the forums that they will not reveal the number of their subscribers. That's more than good enough for me.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    lol- and how many are lifers?
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