test content
What is the Arc Client?
Install Arc

I was shocked to learn yesterday that...

SystemSystem Member, NoReporting Posts: 178,019 Arc User
I was shocked to learn yesterday that Nausicaan's and Gorn's do not have a female gender in their species. I went to make a female character for the Nausicaans so that I could eventually buy a new Nausicaan cruiser, but my plans were devastated when I discovered it is an all male species.

Which brings up a bigger issue, how does the culture survive if they do not have a female to reproduce off-spring? Do nausicaans just hatch out of thin air? Do storks bring new Nausicaan's to their new homes all full grown? :confused:

However, I understand why the two species are always angry and aggressive. There are no females to help release tension in the society. SO the men run around like five year olds. :confused:
Post edited by Unknown User on
«134

Comments

  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    "shocked", really?

    You just sat in your chair with your mouth open going "this is shocking!"

    I don't know man. A better word should be used.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    They have them, we are just not allowed to see them.

    Something about the developers being scared witless at night with horrible visions of 11ft tall female lizards dancing in their heads.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Perhaps you are being too presumptuous in assuming that all species require 2 genders and that they fill the role of of male and females genders that has commonly developed in many vertebrates on our planet. Life doesn't exist solely as we "know" it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Beary666 wrote: »
    Perhaps you are being too presumptuous in assuming that all species require 2 genders and that they fill the role of of male and females genders that has commonly developed in many vertebrates on our planet. Life doesn't exist solely as we "know" it.

    True, but the devs did specifically mention the existence of female Gorn (I think) and that they would rather not show them.

    I could be wrong of course....
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Beary666 wrote: »
    Perhaps you are being too presumptuous in assuming that all species require 2 genders and that they fill the role of of male and females genders that has commonly developed in many vertebrates on our planet. Life doesn't exist solely as we "know" it.

    True, but then the Nausicaan and Gorn we have wouldn't have "male" plastered all over their personnel files.:rolleyes:

    It's a really annoying issue, but somehow nobody cares, I guess because they wouldn't be much too look at (for humans).
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Beary666 wrote: »
    Perhaps you are being too presumptuous in assuming that all species require 2 genders and that they fill the role of of male and females genders that has commonly developed in many vertebrates on our planet. Life doesn't exist solely as we "know" it.

    Only bacterium and virus (include an amoeba) reproduce asexually...all other life-forms reproduce sexually. That requires a male and a female.

    A Nausicaan would be classified as a mammal, since it has mammary glands. Gorn's are reptilian. Reptiles lay eggs outside of the mother and require a male to germinate the egg to produce a zygote.

    Any organism that is more advance then a microorganism will require a sexual form of reproduction which requires a male and female.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Honestly I don't think a female Gorn would look much differnt from the male ones. AS for Naucicaans. Who knows. Being the brutal species they are the females may be ground underfoot. Maybe they even go the Feringi route and disallow them cloths and/or contact wiht the outside world. Might even be a muslim mindset where there beliefs make them keep trheir omen from public. *shrugs*
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    I would personally love to have an 11 foot tall Nausicaan female captain (or even just as BOs), but if Cryptic was catering to my taste ... well, that would be awesome, actually. Maybe if enough of a stink is made, but unforchies I doubt the art department has the time to work on something like this :(
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Which brings up a bigger issue, how does the culture survive if they do not have a female to reproduce off-spring? Do nausicaans just hatch out of thin air? Do storks bring new Nausicaan's to their new homes all full grown? :confused:
    Female gorn wouldn't have TRIBBLE. They're reptilian, not mammalian. It wouldn't make sense in-game. So, essentially, male and female gorn would probably look the same aside from *maybe* some minor sexual dimorphism (i.e. height, muscle mass differences).

    Granted, since most reptiles reproduce externally, females would probably be even closer to males in terms of muscle mass.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Female gorn wouldn't have TRIBBLE. They're reptilian, not mammalian. It wouldn't make sense in-game. So, essentially, male and female gorn would probably look the same aside from *maybe* some minor sexual dimorphism (i.e. height, muscle mass differences).

    Granted, since most reptiles reproduce externally, females would probably be even closer to males in terms of muscle mass.

    This is all true, but also doesn't stop Saurians from having TRIBBLE...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    I am not sure about Nausicaans. But reptiles like Gorn probably should not have secondary sex characteristics anyway resulting in dentical optics.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    StEvk wrote: »
    This is all true, but also doesn't stop Saurians from having TRIBBLE...

    Or the Na'vi... sci-fi has this obsession with TRIBBLE, even if they should be the one genre that tries not to. :o
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Only bacterium and virus (include an amoeba) reproduce asexually...all other life-forms reproduce sexually. That requires a male and a female.

    Hmm.. I think I know some Earthworms that would disagree with you.

    However, if you were to say all vertebrates reproduce sexually, I think (but am not sure) you would be right.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Katic wrote: »
    However, if you were to say all vertebrates reproduce sexually, I think (but am not sure) you would be right.

    Some vertebrates reproduce via Parthenogenesis, which is a type of asexual reproduction.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Female gorn wouldn't have TRIBBLE. They're reptilian, not mammalian. It wouldn't make sense in-game. So, essentially, male and female gorn would probably look the same aside from *maybe* some minor sexual dimorphism (i.e. height, muscle mass differences).

    Granted, since most reptiles reproduce externally, females would probably be even closer to males in terms of muscle mass.

    There's a even easier way to technobabble it if you want (and said reason will actually be the reason for no Kzinti females):

    The females are nonsentinent. Being nonsentinent, they cannot command or pilot anything, having no measurable intelligence.

    In the Kzinti backstory (for those who don't know, they are from Larry Niven's Known Space universe that he allowed Roddenberry to use in TAS), the Kzinti males literally bred the intelligence out of the females, making them cattle-like. Literally - one of the makes of status a Kzinti male has is the size of his "herd" and whether or not he has one in the first place.

    Dunno about the Gorn - but the same could be said of the Nausicaan. Objectification of females is all through Trek - with the Kzinti perhaps being the extreme, there are examples (such as Orions and Ferengi) that do the same.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Katic wrote: »
    Hmm.. I think I know some Earthworms that would disagree with you.

    However, if you were to say all vertebrates reproduce sexually, I think (but am not sure) you would be right.
    Nope, some birds, reptiles. fish, and mammals can reproduce without the freakiness. see Parthenogenesis (where unfertilized eggs can become adults). :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    You would think the men would be happier without women driving them nuts! SO those two races should be more like the happiest in the galaxy
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    @OP: If that shocked you, let me tell you a little about Andorians...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Ewwww just say no to Gorn Bewbs!!

    hahaha
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Ewwww just say no to Gorn Bewbs!!

    hahaha

    Who isn't a fan of scaly, cold-blooded, mucosal TRIBBLE?

    wait... yeah... just say no to Gorn TRIBBLE
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    You know, I would actually like to see Gorn females... just not with the typical mammalian features... instead of TRIBBLE they should have colorful large fins down their head, neck and spine.. maybe slightly smaller features than the males..

    Really that's about all they would have to do..
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    There are also several species of fish that are hermaphrodites... now while you might say it's a form of sexual reproduction, in this case they are actually neither male nor female, they are capable of doing one, the other, or even both.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Only bacterium and virus (include an amoeba) reproduce asexually...all other life-forms reproduce sexually. That requires a male and a female.

    In the Star Trek universe, you only need one Tribble and food to make more Tribbles ;)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    On a completely unrelated note, season 2 of V starts this week :1
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Only bacterium and virus (include an amoeba) reproduce asexually...all other life-forms reproduce sexually. That requires a male and a female.

    A Nausicaan would be classified as a mammal, since it has mammary glands. Gorn's are reptilian. Reptiles lay eggs outside of the mother and require a male to germinate the egg to produce a zygote.

    Any organism that is more advance then a microorganism will require a sexual form of reproduction which requires a male and female.

    I'm gonna take a stab and say female Gorn are indistinguishable from male Gorn to outsiders like us humans. They're reptiles, and likely wouldn't have mammary glands, so aside from pulling their pants down, I doubt you'd see much difference.

    Are we so sure Nausicaans are mammals?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Female gorn wouldn't have TRIBBLE. They're reptilian, not mammalian. It wouldn't make sense in-game. So, essentially, male and female gorn would probably look the same aside from *maybe* some minor sexual dimorphism (i.e. height, muscle mass differences).

    Granted, since most reptiles reproduce externally, females would probably be even closer to males in terms of muscle mass.

    With Reptiles gender differences externally tend to only be apparent in skin pigment. The same holds true with Avians the pigment is by far a more drastic difference with the plumage being more colorful on the males.

    *to OP*

    So Gorn women? Meh not something seen in the series. Had they been in any scene you likely wouldn't have known.

    Naussicans, while they have have women again not something ever seen. Isn't it safe to say with the naussican attitude women would be locked away on their homeworld?

    Not every race has the Federation ideals of dragging family into dangerous situations or equality of the sexes.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    You know, I would actually like to see Gorn females... just not with the typical mammalian features... instead of TRIBBLE they should have colorful large fins down their head, neck and spine.. maybe slightly smaller features than the males..

    Really that's about all they would have to do..

    This.

    [][][][]
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Kasensal wrote:
    so aside from pulling their pants down

    Now where's THAT option?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    StEvk wrote: »
    Now where's THAT option?

    Betazoid Expansion this February. Mark your calendars
Sign In or Register to comment.