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If STO followed Chapions Online into the world of free-to-play games, what would you like to see? For starts, I think it would be good if when premium players got something, free players get a bit of premium content added to the freeness. Post Here.
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    why was this spammed?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Please just delete this thread, the devs have said STO is not going free to play so there is no point whatsoever is discussing it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    I dont want to see this go F2P.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    It's spamming.

    The Devs clearly said STO won't be going F2P any timne soon.

    Please delete all 3 threads.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    I've always found free to play to be an oxymoron. Believe it or not, the micro-transactions on free to play games usually adds up so quickly that you end up spending more than the usual monthly subscription fee. What I'm saying here is that "free to play" is anything but. In the long run, it's more expensive than subscription based games. Sure, you can "play for free" but doing so results in you gimping yourself so hard that either there's a social stigma attached to you or you get slowed down in your advancement so much it's ridiculous.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    It doesnt need to go F2P, and hopefully never will, pointless thread but you already knew that when you made it i expect.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    No game is free to play, as long as someone needs to eat. So a rearrangement of priorities in this fashion comes with numerous minor annoyances for those not interested.

    No thank you, I want to play the game without cash shop reminders and needless points for every other odd task. It's a sluggish layer of superfluous material, designed to bring temptation to the pure illusion of a free service, which in reality it is not.

    Why not take the direct approach and cut the delusions and circumvention of the truth. No hassles, no fractured shop offers where you have to pay for things that normally should be rolling along nicely, but now ends up in tiny bits and packaged into "services" instead. Disjointed and inferior to the real thing of course. Would rather enjoy the experience of a fluid game which stays the same for all.

    There is no free lunch, grab that idea, and the world will be better for it.

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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    WB952 wrote:
    If STO followed Chapions Online into the world of free-to-play games, what would you like to see? For starts, I think it would be good if when premium players got something, free players get a bit of premium content added to the freeness. Post Here.

    Paying members would have to get something the f2p people weren't, otherwise there would be no point in paying.

    Exactly what.....dunno. Interesting to think about though.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Sernon wrote:
    No game is free to play, as long as someone needs to eat. So a rearrangement of priorities in this fashion comes with numerous minor annoyances for those not interested.

    No thank you, I want to play the game without cash shop reminders and needless points for every other odd task. It's a sluggish layer of superfluous material, designed to bring temptation to the pure illusion of a free service, which in reality it is not.

    Why not take the direct approach and cut the delusions and circumvention of the truth. No hassles, no fractured shop offers where you have to pay for things that normally should be rolling along nicely, but now ends up in tiny bits and packaged into "services" instead. Disjointed and inferior to the real thing of course. Would rather enjoy the experience of a fluid game which stays the same for all.

    There is no free lunch, grab that idea, and the world will be better for it.

    ---

    Or to quote General Leonard P Ayers
    It is an immutable economic fact that there is no such thing as a free lunch.

    The way Rudyard Kipling wrote it back in the 19th century
    It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts.

    In other words, the lunch is free but the drink isn't. This is far closer to the "F2P" game model. The game is free to play. Playing it well is not free.

    Another analogy might be modern bars. The salty pretzels and peanuts are free. The drinks to quench your thirst after scarfing down so much salt are quite expensive.

    At casinos, the drinks are free. The games are not, and once you're drunk you won't think twice about playing them recklessly.

    TANSTAAFL. There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    The problem is that they rearrange the bar in order to serve the new free drinks. Must walk around decor made only for the drinkers, and that's quite frankly a hassle. :p

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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Please just delete this thread, the devs have said STO is not going free to play so there is no point whatsoever is discussing it.

    Actually, they didn't exactly rule it out entirely, but for the foreseeable future, it'll be subscription based. But, however, they will be modifying the Demo so it is more open to give people a better taste of things.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Some people may be saying this isn't going to happen but...

    According to this person at this site http://www.mmorpg.com/index.cfm

    It will be a reality by this coming summer. Read the coming predictions for 2011 it's the 5th item down.

    Happy New Year!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    I hope STO remains as it is and does not go the way of many other F2P games, i think be better if STO maintains a sub, COH is the otehr MMO i play alot of and irts still going strong with its sub system
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    WB952 wrote:
    If STO followed Chapions Online into the world of free-to-play games, what would you like to see? For starts, I think it would be good if when premium players got something, free players get a bit of premium content added to the freeness. Post Here.

    [Rocky the Flying Squirrell] Again? But that trick never works! [/Rocky the Flying Squirrell]
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Some people may be saying this isn't going to happen but...

    According to this person at this site http://www.mmorpg.com/index.cfm

    It will be a reality by this coming summer. Read the coming predictions for 2011 it's the 5th item down.

    Happy New Year!
    F2P games have always been wallet based games. The more you spend in the cash shop, the more damage or resistances you have to become far stronger than a non paying player. As a low spender in the cash shop, the best you can do is mooch around and do a few NPC missions, only the heavy spenders can get involved in PVP to any real degree. A low spender can try to PVP but will be constantly ganked with little or no hope of killing anything due to low damage and crappy gear. To progress beyond a certain level requires a considerable RL cash input. I have played enough F2P games over the past few years to know how they work.

    With ships, BO candidate races and items like the Tribble and Tribble of Borg that give bonuses being sold via the C-store, STO is slowly going down that route. If more and more items that give bonuses start to appear in the C-store, it will be a good indication of it becoming a F2P game.

    If that happens, I'll quit. I just don't have the financial resources to play any wallet based games, I'm barely managing to afford the subs now but only because they are less than other mainstream subs based games. I only signed up because I'm a ST fan and would like the game to succeed but not if it goes F2P.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    WB952 wrote:
    If STO followed Chapions Online into the world of free-to-play games, what would you like to see? For starts, I think it would be good if when premium players got something, free players get a bit of premium content added to the freeness. Post Here.

    Try reading the thread stickied at the top of the forum; thats pretty much what people have been discussing since it was posted.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Bolderine wrote:
    F2P games have always been wallet based games. The more you spend in the cash shop, the more damage or resistances you have to become far stronger than a non paying player. As a low spender in the cash shop, the best you can do is mooch around and do a few NPC missions, only the heavy spenders can get involved in PVP to any real degree. A low spender can try to PVP but will be constantly ganked with little or no hope of killing anything due to low damage and crappy gear. To progress beyond a certain level requires a considerable RL cash input. I have played enough F2P games over the past few years to know how they work.

    With ships, BO candidate races and items like the Tribble and Tribble of Borg that give bonuses being sold via the C-store, STO is slowly going down that route. If more and more items that give bonuses start to appear in the C-store, it will be a good indication of it becoming a F2P game.

    If that happens, I'll quit. I just don't have the financial resources to play any wallet based games, I'm barely managing to afford the subs now but only because they are less than other mainstream subs based games. I only signed up because I'm a ST fan and would like the game to succeed but not if it goes F2P.

    Like most people, you apparently arent aware that the "new" F2P model isnt strictly F2P, its hyprid. It still includes a monthly sub that grants you access to the entire game and a monthly stipiend of points you can spend in the game store or save up. In those situations, the game doesnt change at all for the people who already have a monthly sub; you actually get more(the monthly stipend of points) than you do now.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    I would quit as well simply because of the kind of people it attracts which mostly consist of whinny teenagers sitting in their mothers basement and ruin the community. I am also skeptical that a hybrid model would in fact give us more, I am betting with the way t is now we would get some what less with more we had to buy. If they give away points am willing to bet they would just increase the cost of things in the c-store or give away s few t wouldn't matter as they need a way to make more money. Add this to the fact that all the "new people" playing would not be able to play with any one unless they bought the content we would just get a bunch of awful players who would hurt the community while getting very little n return. I would rather pay more for my monthly sub than be cursed with a F2P game model.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Fiorra wrote:
    I would quit as well simply because of the kind of people it attracts which mostly consist of whinny teenagers sitting in their mothers basement and ruin the community.

    IMO, the less people who judge others as inferior to themselves the better. You may think the "whinny teenagers" are bad for the community, but people who look down their noses are worse. At least the "whinny teenagers" grow up; people who are already grown and have a superiority complex dont tend to improve.
    Fiorra wrote:
    I am also skeptical that a hybrid model would in fact give us more, I am betting with the way t is now we would get some what less with more we had to buy.

    Fortunately you are wrong. CO has released the details for its F2P plan, and subbers do in fact get more than they currently do.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Not this again. Please close this thread. I'm getting tired of this popping up and would appreciate moderators just killing these threads before they even get going.

    Its not going to happen, thank goodness. Hell, that FACT is stickied at the top of the section this thread is posted in.

    As far as MMORPG.com predicting anything goes; they do not work for Cryptic. Like the OP they are only voicing what will continue being unrequited wishful thinking.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Ayenn wrote:
    Not this again. Please close this thread. I'm getting tired of this popping up and would appreciate moderators just killing these threads before they even get going.

    Its not going to happen, thank goodness.

    As far as MMORPG.com predicting anything goes; they do not work for Cryptic. Like the OP they are only voicing what will continue being unrequited wishful thinking.

    I agree with everyone except the highlighted sentence. It definitely is going to happen, whether you like it or not. The reason is simple ;)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Every single writer at TenTonHammers.com and Mmorpg.com says that free to play is the wave of the future. STO could, and probably already is, making all kinds of money off the c-store. Many other MMOs use microtransactions exclusively.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Fiorra wrote:
    I would quit as well simply because of the kind of people it attracts which mostly consist of whinny teenagers sitting in their mothers basement and ruin the community.
    I am not sure we could tell the difference. Isn't that how all MMOs worK? :confused:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    I agree with everyone except the highlighted sentence. It definitely is going to happen, whether you like it or not. The reason is simple ;)



    The man has spoken and he has not lied yet. He plays it straight.

    Now I could see it happening in say, 7 to 10 years. but not now, not for the foreseeable future.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Ayenn wrote:
    The man has spoken and he has not lied yet. He plays it straight.

    Now I could see it happening in say, 7 to 10 years. but not now, not for the foreseeable future.

    LMAO!!!! No offense, but you are so niave. The post Dan made is a PRIME example of "corporate speak". It only has to be true the MOMENT its said, not later. He said there are not CURRENTLY any plans, but that can change the next day without his post being a lie. It only has to be true the moment its spoken. And since you apparently arent aware, there have been several interviews given since that post was made that are more and more suggestive that STO will follow CO's lead:

    http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2010/11/06/star-trek-online-could-go-free-to-play.aspx
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    IMO, the less people who judge others as inferior to themselves the better. You may think the "whinny teenagers" are bad for the community, but people who look down their noses are worse. At least the "whinny teenagers" grow up; people who are already grown and have a superiority complex dont tend to improve.



    Fortunately you are wrong. CO has released the details for its F2P plan, and subbers do in fact get more than they currently do.

    Yes as you seem to have just done your self god job at being a hypocrite. We all make judgments through life whether you want t admit it or you want to be a hypocrite and claim you never do. See the real world:rolleyes:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Fiorra wrote:
    Yes as you seem to have just done your self god job at being a hypocrite.

    That would make your post above "hypocrite x 2", and now mine "hypocrite x3", and so forth and so on in any future replies that follow :o
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    That would make your post above "hypocrite x 2", and now mine "hypocrite x3", and so forth and so on in any future replies that follow :o
    Not really as i never claimed that I don't judge. That s a part of life and those who pretend they don't are lying to themselves. We judge every day such as " I cant stand people who judge others" which really means your judging some one because you don't like people who judge some one, which means you cant stand yourself:o. But I will let you have the last word so we don't derail the discussion.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Fiorra wrote:
    Not really as i never claimed that I don't judge. That s a part of life and those who pretend they don't are lying to themselves. We judge every day such as " I cant stand people who judge others" which really means your judging some one because you don't like people who judge some one, which means you cant stand yourself:o. But I will let you have the last word so we don't derail the discussion.

    I didnt say "juding" people was the problem; I said judging people as INFERIOR to yourself is the undesirable quality. Personally, I dont think your "inferior" to me, I just hope you are able to not look down on people as much in the future.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Ah, I see your problem. Its reading comprehension.

    I can't figure out how you intended to sound stating that (serious/condesending/humorous), but it doesn't matter does it. It's just plain funny however you read it!
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