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So I am persuing Federal Hate Crimes against STO, who do I contact?


Original Message
From: Tolver Armstrong
To: referrals@usccr.gov
Cc: webmaster@crypticstudios.com
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 10:02 AM
Subject: Request for Complaint Referral


I am a Federaly Disabled man with Tourettes. And on a gaming message board a user has faked a email from me and continues to degrade me because my disability make me act differently than everybody else. The abuse has gone on long enough to make it to google ...

http://www.google.com/search?q=star+trek+online+revlot&rls=com.microsoft:en-us&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1

And now the whole world knows that I am being ridiculed for being disabled. The forum moderators have rules against this sort of activity, although after several requests to have the thread closed it is still open for people to view and continue to comment on. This is a Hate Crime, as in this person who hates me is being allowed a forum to boast of their hate for me. I can see no alternitive at this point than to fine the owners of the message board and if they continue to violate my rights to press legal hate crime charges against them. Please help me, I am formaly requesting legal reprensation in forming a lawsuit.
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Good luck against the hater...I guess
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    I started at the Civil Rights Comission, and am now moving on to other agencies. So far it looks like a fine for an infraction of this size could reach into the millions. Nothing for me, it all goes to the government. But this will definitly kill STO because of how much money the federal government will fine them, and also the fed is in great need of money these days so it will probibly hop on the bandwaggon and bring down STO. Too Bad, I asked nicely for Stormshade to close and delete the thread yesterday.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Revlot wrote:
    I started at the Civil Rights Comission, and am now moving on to other agencies. So far it looks like a fine for an infraction of this size could reach into the millions. Nothing for me, it all goes to the government. But this will definitly kill STO because of how much money the federal government will fine them, and also the fed is in great need of money these days so it will probibly hop on the bandwaggon and bring down STO. Too Bad, I asked nicely for Stormshade to close and delete the thread yesterday.

    I think someone mentioned the mods or devs are away from the game until the 3rd of January? Not exactly sure of that, but I did read it. Give that what weight you feel it deserves, but it may explain why no one has contacted you.

    I doubt this thread will last long.

    Oh also, how do you ignore someone on the fourms? Please?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    I think someone mentioned the mods or devs are away from the game until the 3rd of January? Not exactly sure of that, but I did read it. Give that what weight you feel it deserves, but it may explain why no one has contacted you.

    Since you've gone this far to publicly speak about your impending legal action, providing a great deal of material that can be used against you in doing so, always better not to discuss such plans before they are in action, why not tell us which thread? I'd love to read it.

    I doubt this thread will last long.

    The disabled do not allways act in their own best interests, hence why they are disabled. Any casual observer can see that this has escelated into a hate crime, and I hae never backed down from a discriminator, I have been here before. Cryptic had plenty of time to deal with this, and to NOT have a moderator on duty has led to this abuse, so Cryptic is at fault, hence I will persue the federal government protection of those disabled persons who society can not or will not treat in a decent manner. Whatever mistake I made, the resulting abuse has now led to federal legal action.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    I saw Q today he popped into one of my threads try pm-ing him :) i will link the thread!

    http://forums.startrekonline.com/showpost.php?p=3254249&postcount=16
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Revlot wrote:
    So I am persuing Federal Hate Crimes against STO, who do I contact?


    Original Message
    From: Tolver Armstrong
    To: referrals@usccr.gov
    Cc: webmaster@crypticstudios.com
    Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 10:02 AM
    Subject: Request for Complaint Referral


    I am a Federaly Disabled man with Tourettes. And on a gaming message board a user has faked a email from me and continues to degrade me because my disability make me act differently than everybody else. The abuse has gone on long enough to make it to google ...

    http://www.google.com/search?q=star+trek+online+revlot&rls=com.microsoft:en-us&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1

    And now the whole world knows that I am being ridiculed for being disabled. The forum moderators have rules against this sort of activity, although after several requests to have the thread closed it is still open for people to view and continue to comment on. This is a Hate Crime, as in this person who hates me is being allowed a forum to boast of their hate for me. I can see no alternitive at this point than to fine the owners of the message board and if they continue to violate my rights to press legal hate crime charges against them. Please help me, I am formaly requesting legal reprensation in forming a lawsuit.

    Being defamed/ridiculed on a forum isn't a federal hate crime. You saying you are being defamed/ridiculed on a forum doesn't constitute evidence you are, in fact, being defamed. Assuming anyone takes your complaint seriously, whatever redress you achieve will not result in the end of STO.

    Good luck thou. Hope whatever you think should happen happens...I guess.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Revlot wrote:
    The disabled do not allways act in their own best interests, hence why they are disabled. Any casual observer can see that this has escelated into a hate crime, and I hae never backed down from a discriminator, I have been here before. Cryptic had plenty of time to deal with this, and to NOT have a moderator on duty has led to this abuse, so Cryptic is at fault, hence I will persue the federal government protection of those disabled persons who society can not or will not treat in a decent manner. Whatever mistake I made, the resulting abuse has now led to federal legal action.

    Good luck with your case. And please, explain how you ignore someone on the forums? Thanks.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    The thread is suddenly gone, but not untill after several federal agencies saw it and filed their reports. I have started the federal machine in action before, I can not stop it now efen if I wished to.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    I can't imagine you will get very far with this. I'm sure with any site on the net, there is a T&C that likely states no association with individuals and their actions, etc, to allow companies a get out clause. While i don't like what this person has done, attempting to sue Cryptic is baffling. I understand Moderators are there to maintain peace and order, and i'm sorry this has happened to you, i just can't see this going very far indeed. Maybe a ban for the person in question at the most, but any financial compensation? Highly unlikely. Good luck trying though, even if this whole finger pointing, no win, no fee claim, witch hunt has made the human race a laughing stock.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    I desire NO COMPENSATION. I want nothing but for my rights to be protected. If the government lays a fine on Cryptic then I will recieve NOTHING!

    EDIT: A fine is a punishment for the civil rights offender NOT a reward for the offended. The fine is in place to unsure that disabled persons are not unfairly abused by society. Cryptic has a legal right to close and delete threads that escelate into civil rights abuses. Legaly Cryptic will be fined, if at all, for allowing one of their users a forum for their anti-disabled person agenda.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    And please, explain how you ignore someone on the forums? Thanks.
    View their profile and ignore them from there.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Green117 wrote: »
    While i don't like what this person has done...

    and even that is based on the assumption that the email was actually photoshopped and not what was really sent. If the guy posted an actual email that was sent by the OP as the OP originally wrote it, I don't see where anything illegal has taken place.

    Making an email sent to you public isn't a crime.

    This isn't going anywhere. One huge waste of time. But hey, every forum thread is, essentially, one big waste of time.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Revlot wrote:
    I desire NO COMPENSATION. I want nothing but for my rights to be protected. If the government lays a fine on Cryptic then I will recieve NOTHING!

    Then if that happens, i hope Cryptic close these forums completely. The price you pay for allowing the community to chat seems far to great in comparison to the penalties.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Revlot wrote:
    I desire NO COMPENSATION. I want nothing but for my rights to be protected. If the government lays a fine on Cryptic then I will recieve NOTHING!

    Unless you can prove that Cryptic somehow directly and officially condoned and supported actions and posts of the individual you claim is harrassing you; Cryptic isn't going to receive any Federal fines.

    As for the post making it on to Google, you DO realize the Google search engine itself AUTO SEARCHES the internet, and within hours of any ridiculous post, you have a good chance of finding it on Google (and again, Cryptic is in no way responsible for the actions of Google's auto search engine.)

    But hey, it's a free country, and you can claim whatever you like. Doon't be surprised though when no Federal U.S. agency takes any action without clear cut irrefutable evidence of collusion on Cryptic's part.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Cryptic is not responsible for the abuse of thier forums as they have put several cluases for its proper use in play and we all agreed to them when we started posting in here.

    The worst that will happen is that the "discriminator" in question may get banned if and only if such actions they have taken can be construed as a Hate Crime.

    Your anger may have led you down a dark road Revolt.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    community@crypticstudios.com You mail them.

    The various terms of agreements that you signed, do several things. One you agree that the courts of Santa Clara, CA. or the Federal court of the State of California, has jurisdiction in matters relateing to cryptic. New York is the state for Atari. This depends on if you live in the US.

    California Hate Crime Law.

    http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/cacode/PEN/3/1/11.6/2/s422.6

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    If you have anything case wise, all Cryptic will be obligated to do is hand over the information of the person or persons, responsible for this. You really don't think that any of these companies are prepared for these kind of claims?

    If the e-mail was fake, cryptic can prove it, the same as if it was legit. There is no federal machine moving against Cryptic with the gleam of money in its eyes.
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    View the persons profile, under their avatar pic the button on the right is to ignore that poster.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Roach wrote: »
    Your anger may have led you down a dark road Revolt.

    He faked an email, and a relative asked me about it cause she found it on Google. Guess my temperment.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    How do you ignore someone on the fourms?

    We get the punchline Saph, this all could have been avoided with a simple ignore.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    again, you claiming he faked an email doesn't necessarily make it so.

    And it still isn't a hate crime.

    But don't let facts get in your way. :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
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    you ignore them by cramming apples in your ears. :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Revlot wrote:
    He faked an email, and a relative asked me about it cause she found it on Google. Guess my temperment.

    Angry I would think, but you may have let your justified anger lead you to the wrong decision.
    If this is a by-product of the other thread on Gene, Christmas and you?
    Then giving the nature of the Internet, I'm not surprsed the whole thing went to far and ended up at this point.

    Unfortunately, Corps have legalese to protect themselves from such fallout and the only thing to happen may be a banned for the other person and a bad reputation for you.
    :(

    Iether way I imgaine Dstahl will be sending PM's around after he gets back.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    I'm sorry to hear that you've been discriminated against which is not fair at all - Especially for a game which is based on human equality, peace and such.
    However the world is full of people like that person.
    The thread seems to have gone when I looked, which is good.
    I hope your time on STO from now on and beyond the New Year is full of wonderful fun and cheer :3

    Happy New Year Revolt :]
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Canaffle wrote: »
    I'm sorry to hear that you've been discriminated against which is not fair at all - Especially for a game which is based on human equality, peace and such.]

    Sadly, he hadn't been discriminated against, either because of his Tourettes, or because of his sexual preference. Someone took issue with him claiming that Christianity was a "cult"...actually, pretty much everyone took issue with that, and when they tried to prove him wrong logically, calmly, and precisely, all anytone got back was "I AM NOW GOING TO BE SINGLED OUT BECAUSE OF MY SEXUAL PREFERENCE/MENTAL DISORDER".

    ...For the record, I'm still trying to figure out how Tourettes, which is a disorder causing tics, jerking motions, and audible outbursts, can be affected on a non-real time text based medium.

    (And no, I'm not the person he's trying to sue)

    There was sufficient proof given BY the other party to show that the OP had sent a PM to him claiming that he was 'playing' the Moderators (including a video, after the original screenshot was claimed to be a photoshop) at which point, the OPs argument against this individual fell flat.

    The fact that the OP is now trying to seek legal action is hilarious, and I'm pretty sure Cryptic can counter-sue, if needs be, for wasting their time, as well as the other party in this for defamation of character.

    ...G-d bless us, everyone.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Flasherman wrote: »
    ...For the record, I'm still trying to figure out how Tourettes, which is a disorder causing tics, jerking motions, and audible outbursts, can be affected on a non-real time text based medium.

    This was a real CSI moment for me. I'm sure Tourettes can not be subject to, as you describe perfectly, a non-real time text based medium. At least i've never heard of this before till now.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    How can Tourettes affect your forum or in game behaviour? There is no voice or video channel for communication. This mean noone can see you tick and noone can hear you swear (if you happen to have Coprolalia as well). So there is no way that any negative effects of Coprolalia and ticking can be transmitted to others. And even of you suffer the rare syndrom of Coprographia, the written text is not transmitted automatically. You would still need to click on Submit reply or hit enter in-game. This forum and the game took every precaution neccessary.
    If you sue the forum, you can as well sue the air for transmitting voice and the light for making ticks visible.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Revlot wrote:
    The disabled do not allways act in their own best interests, hence why they are disabled.
    My lack of working muscles makes me disabled.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Duckdee wrote: »
    My lack of working muscles makes me disabled.

    What a fellow duck is disabled?!!!





    KHAAAAAAANNNNNN!!!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Hello everyone. I am the alleged perp of said hate crime. However before we move this to legal action I will state on these boards that.

    1) I have never once mentioned this posters alleged disability in any way shape or form, nor have I ever mocked anyone with Tourettes, directly or indirectly.

    2) I have a cousin with whom I grew up with who has Tourettes, It causes her to Tick very audibly, physically, and noticeably. I am in fact sensitive to those with Tourettes and I reiterate that I have not attacked Revlot for having Tourettes.

    3) I am not going to debate the entire spectrum of Tourettes or any other conditions or disabilities. If the subject of Revlot's condition being true or not comes into question in a legal case I will obtain medical counsel from multiple sources to testify on the facts of Tourettes.

    4) I can produce evidence that Revlot did indeed send me the Private Message in question. It is not fake, I have it in my inbox, it is saved in screen shot format on my computer. It is backed up on 3rd party photo sites, and soon will be backed up on an external memory device. I also have the Webcam footage of myself, accessing said Private Message proving that is does actually, factually exist.

    5) The video in question does not contain any hatred of any specific group of people. It shows only what I intended it to show. Which is that Revlot did indeed send me the Private Message in question and that he had been caught in a lie.

    6) I can provide the video to this, the forum community but I will not do so in this post and I will ask the Community not to mock Revlot for the video.

    7) I will take questions from the community on this subject if they are worded intelligibly, are non inflammatory and pertain to the subject at hand, both here publicly and in Private Message. I do not guarantee that any question or answer in Private Message will not come to public light.

    I take legal action being brought against me, or against other in the name of my actions very very seriously and I will take proper legal counter action if I deem it necessary.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Below is the video in question. I will again ask that no one mock or make any derogatory language or gestures toward Revlot or anyone else here or anywhere, I do not condone it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9X_dW8hDOM

    Below is the screenshot of the email in question.

    http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k265/Evil_Coiffio/revlol1.jpg
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