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So I decide i want to try STO out once more, people on the forums are saying that things have been fixed or revamped, content added, etc.

I am RA 2, been back for 4 days, and I am already closing my account again. STO is almost as bad as FF14, and STO has been out for a year!

I find that ground combat is COMPLETELY broken, mobs become impossible and maxed out BO's cannot DPS enough to take mobs down. Stuns, knockdowns, they don't help. Then add in the one shot issue with bosses and I want no part of ground combat. So there is half the game gone. And personally, saying that they will fix ground combat in season 4 doesnt help. by the time season 4 comes out I will be playing Rift, Terra, GW2 or some other far superior game to STO.

It really makes me mad because I had such high hopes for STO. Space flight is ridiculous. I am flying in space, and I cannot turn upside down? I cannot fly straight up or down? Only an idiot who took an existing game and modded it to be Star Trek is a total fail. I never feel like I am in space, I never feel like I am flying a starship in space, and since ground combat is ****ed what is there to do in STO?

This game is NOT Star Trek. it is a ****** space game that doesnt feel like space and has zero fun factor.

It surprises me that the servers are still open. But it just goes to show there are some people who will pay to play a broken game.
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    I'm disappointed that you feel that way. Obviously, you're entitled to your personal opinion, but I don't think the devs deserve that kind of criticism. They have been doing nothing but working for the customers. Sure, Atari does have a negative influence on their decisions, but they themselves are one of the reasons, along with the strong community of Star Trek, that I believe the game will succeed.

    I realize that your opinions, as they were expressed, were not directly toward the devs, but the game itself is their creation.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Good luck with all your future gaming endeavors. I hope you find something out there you enjoy playing!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    The space combat is not due to the engine but is in fact due to the Star Trek esthetic that has starships approaching each other with the same up-down orientation.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    FenGer wrote: »
    I find that ground combat is COMPLETELY broken, mobs become impossible and maxed out BO's cannot DPS enough to take mobs down. Stuns, knockdowns, they don't help. Then add in the one shot issue with bosses and I want no part of ground combat. So there is half the game gone. And personally, saying that they will fix ground combat in season 4 doesnt help. by the time season 4 comes out I will be playing Rift, Terra, GW2 or some other far superior game to STO.

    are you playing on normal, advanced or elite?

    normal should be easy enough and if your having trouble then you need to adjust your characters in some way. advanced is quite difficult but not impossible. elite for me is stupid and needs fixing (but some like it).
    It really makes me mad because I had such high hopes for STO. Space flight is ridiculous. I am flying in space, and I cannot turn upside down? I cannot fly straight up or down? Only an idiot who took an existing game and modded it to be Star Trek is a total fail. I never feel like I am in space, I never feel like I am flying a starship in space, and since ground combat is ****ed what is there to do in STO?

    sorry you feel that way but im delighted its like that. i never want to see an upside down galaxy class ship fly past me.
    This game is NOT Star Trek. it is a ****** space game that doesnt feel like space and has zero fun factor.

    It surprises me that the servers are still open. But it just goes to show there are some people who will pay to play a broken game.

    not every game is for every person. you dont like it fine, that does not mean others dont. sto is not a bad game just because you dislike it.

    i hope you find a game you enjoy.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    I think your post OP, could have used more reasoning and less ranting.

    I think the game has got some serious flaws too (and like you ground combat is something I'm avoiding like the plague), but a better post would have detailed the list of concerns less emotionally than you have I think.

    Just my 2 energy credits.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Sure, ground combat is not the best but not impossible. I suggest you lower to Normal and if you still have problems then you need to check on your gear and skills (and that is not Cryptics fault)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    FenGer wrote: »
    It surprises me that the servers are still open. But it just goes to show there are some people who will pay to play a broken game.

    That's your opinion though. Obviously those of us who play this game don't consider it broken. Sure there is room for improvement but that is true with everything, not just video games.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    In truth this is just another "Im quitting this game and I hate everything and everyone" so it should be locked. No constructive criticism whatsoever.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    and STO has been out for a year!
    no, sto has NOT been out for a year.
    it's been out for 10 months.
    1 year celebration is in febuari, anything before that is beta and does not count.

    saying that they will fix ground combat in season 4 doesnt help. by the time season 4 comes out I will be playing
    seeing how you have already made up your mind, i can say nothing more then that this is another "i quit" thread, wich, if im not mistaking is against the forum rules, but thats not for me to decide.
    Anyway, if you don't like it and you can't wait for a fix, then your gona have some issues playing mmos...

    I am flying in space, and I cannot turn upside down? I cannot fly straight up or down
    And what would this add to the game? exactly, NOTHING!
    they have increased the angels we are able to fly up and down, the reason we cant fly anymore stright up is fx reasons, see one of many interviews with sthal.

    and since ground combat is ****ed what is there to do in STO?
    im getting the feeling that your ranting on about ground combat quite alot. so once again, if you can't hold your sub and wait for aprox 6 months then please, shush and go away, they are working on it.

    This game is NOT Star Trek. it is a ****** space game that doesnt feel like space and has zero fun factor.
    This game IS star trek, and it's also a game with a constant improving space enviorment.
    and has a fun factor that keeps beeing increased.

    There is one thing that i will say. STO has not been released under the best of circumstances and by doing so it has some major things that needs to be improved.
    But it's not that much of a wreck that everyone says.

    the devs are listening and doing thire best, no one is forcing you to play the game.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    As far as ground combat goes, sound like your build or your tactics are totally broken if you can't survive with fully up to date Boffs.

    Guess it goes to show you that some noobs will always blame the game for their own failings rather than L2P. :rolleyes:

    As for space combat, you had different expectations to what the Devs did for what Trek space combat is. it's not broken, just different from what you wanted.

    You're entitled to your opinion, but your reasoning is poor at best and your supporting facts are virtually non existent. If the game isn't fun for you, then you shouldn't play it. you should find a game that is fun for you. But just because a game isn't fun for you, doesn't mean that it isn't fun for others and it doesn't mean the game is broken. To think otherwise is small minded and ignorant.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    dr_Drake wrote:
    As far as ground combat goes, sound like your build or your tactics are totally broken if you can't survive with fully up to date Boffs.

    That point there is a good one. I myself am very vocally against the current ground combat mechanics, but it's never been difficult as such, just boring. And that's with all talents set to space skills and bridge officers likewise selected for their space skills.

    In fact I might take another look at my BO's and see if I can improve their ground skills to shorten the experience somewhat, I'm probably not doing it right (I've struggled to find good combat guides, and one of my other gripes with the game has been the opaque item descriptions).
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    OzHawkeye wrote: »
    That point there is a good one. I myself am very vocally against the current ground combat mechanics, but it's never been difficult as such, just boring. And that's with all talents set to space skills and bridge officers likewise selected for their space skills.

    In fact I might take another look at my BO's and see if I can improve their ground skills to shorten the experience somewhat, I'm probably not doing it right (I've struggled to find good combat guides, and one of my other gripes with the game has been the opaque item descriptions).

    Some information in the link in my signature may help your ground game. I have never found it boring or slow paced.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    T-child wrote: »
    and STO has been out for a year!
    no, sto has NOT been out for a year.
    it's been out for 10 months.
    1 year celebration is in febuari, anything before that is beta and does not count.

    saying that they will fix ground combat in season 4 doesnt help. by the time season 4 comes out I will be playing
    seeing how you have already made up your mind, i can say nothing more then that this is another "i quit" thread, wich, if im not mistaking is against the forum rules, but thats not for me to decide.
    Anyway, if you don't like it and you can't wait for a fix, then your gona have some issues playing mmos...

    I am flying in space, and I cannot turn upside down? I cannot fly straight up or down
    And what would this add to the game? exactly, NOTHING!
    they have increased the angels we are able to fly up and down, the reason we cant fly anymore stright up is fx reasons, see one of many interviews with sthal.

    and since ground combat is ****ed what is there to do in STO?
    im getting the feeling that your ranting on about ground combat quite alot. so once again, if you can't hold your sub and wait for aprox 6 months then please, shush and go away, they are working on it.

    This game is NOT Star Trek. it is a ****** space game that doesnt feel like space and has zero fun factor.
    This game IS star trek, and it's also a game with a constant improving space enviorment.
    and has a fun factor that keeps beeing increased.

    There is one thing that i will say. STO has not been released under the best of circumstances and by doing so it has some major things that needs to be improved.
    But it's not that much of a wreck that everyone says.

    the devs are listening and doing thire best, no one is forcing you to play the game.

    I like this post. The last line sums it up perfectly. I'm so getting tired of the same ramblings of those that don't like STO, and assume because they don't like it, no one else could or should and the game server shouldn't be operational any more. You know what OP, if you really don't like STO, just move on please, for goodness sake. There are other MMO's out there.
    I love the game, and its come on leaps and bounds, especially the latter half of this year. And if i ever hear someone say this isn't Star Trek again...It's getting tedious people. I'm not what you would call a Trekie yet, but i can feel and understand that this IS a Star Trek game.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Englebert wrote:
    Some information in the link in my signature may help your ground game. I have never found it boring or slow paced.

    Thank you Engelbert. Book-marked it so I can come back to it repeatedly as I re-tool the crew to try and make ground combat less painful.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    FenGer wrote: »
    I am RA 2, been back for 4 days, and I am already closing my account again. STO is almost as bad as FF14, and STO has been out for a year!

    "I Quit" thread detected! Security to Discussion, we need this thing detained now!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    The OP doesnt seem to read on what updates are coming. The Devs only can do so much at one time, I for one enjoy seeing how far the game has come in a years time and applaud the devs for their hard work. I hope the OP enjoys playing their next game.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    FenGer wrote: »
    So I decide i want to try STO out once more, people on the forums are saying that things have been fixed or revamped, content added, etc.

    I am RA 2, been back for 4 days, and I am already closing my account again. STO is almost as bad as FF14, and STO has been out for a year!

    I find that ground combat is COMPLETELY broken, mobs become impossible and maxed out BO's cannot DPS enough to take mobs down. Stuns, knockdowns, they don't help. Then add in the one shot issue with bosses and I want no part of ground combat. So there is half the game gone. And personally, saying that they will fix ground combat in season 4 doesnt help. by the time season 4 comes out I will be playing Rift, Terra, GW2 or some other far superior game to STO.

    It really makes me mad because I had such high hopes for STO. Space flight is ridiculous. I am flying in space, and I cannot turn upside down? I cannot fly straight up or down? Only an idiot who took an existing game and modded it to be Star Trek is a total fail. I never feel like I am in space, I never feel like I am flying a starship in space, and since ground combat is ****ed what is there to do in STO?

    This game is NOT Star Trek. it is a ****** space game that doesnt feel like space and has zero fun factor.

    It surprises me that the servers are still open. But it just goes to show there are some people who will pay to play a broken game.

    Wow, came a long way from this;
    http://forums.startrekonline.com/showpost.php?p=1990391&postcount=1
    EDIT: If you read the thread in it's entirety (or at least the first two responses to the OPs post), you'll see how far the forums have come in maturity.
    I find that ground combat is COMPLETELY broken, mobs become impossible and maxed out BO's cannot DPS enough to take mobs down. Stuns, knockdowns, they don't help. Then add in the one shot issue with bosses and I want no part of ground combat. So there is half the game gone. And personally, saying that they will fix ground combat in season 4 doesnt help. by the time season 4 comes out I will be playing Rift, Terra, GW2 or some other far superior game to STO.
    Of everything you have mentioned, ground combat has probably changed the least, save for some graphic improvement. While I don't believe that it's completely broken or impossible, this ares does need improvement and is supposed to get some in the next big (season 4) update.
    This game is NOT Star Trek. it is a ****** space game that doesnt feel like space and has zero fun factor.
    You say it's not Star Trek but complain you cannot fly upside down or straight up or down? I'm kinda glad we cannot fly upside down because then every schmo would fly around upside down just because. How many times did you see the Enterprise flying upside down on a consistent basis (if ever)? They have increased the pitch up and down you can achieve. Instead of having us fly straight up or down, I would prefer that they stop spawning enemies, anomalies, etc. 10+ Kilometers above or below each other.

    As for doesn't feel like space, how could you have enjoyed the game so much as you say in the linked post above and not appreciate the major improvement to sector space?
    It surprises me that the servers are still open. But it just goes to show there are some people who will pay to play a broken game.
    I paid to play a game I enjoy. No need to insult other people's intelligence just because something doesn't meet your seal of approval. You said before that a game needs time to improve and it has improved greatly. Does it still need improvement? Yes, but if I had just returned to the game for the first time since February, the improvements that were made would've trumped my disappointment over ground combat and "flying upside down."
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Nice catch, John0901. Let's just stop feeding the trolls everyone. Stay classy, FenGer.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    sorry you feel that way but im delighted its like that. i never want to see an upside down galaxy class ship fly past me.

    This exactly, and lets face it, there will be those who think its cool to fly around upside down everywhere just as much as they enjoy using a "unique" Enterprise spelling for there ship name.

    I try to ignore it, but some times its off putting to see it...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    As a former Lifetime Subscriber who came back to check out Season 3, I disagree with the OP.

    Are there some aspects of the game that need work? Yes, many.

    Is the game the same fail whale that led me to cancel my LTS? No. The developers have actively listened to player feedback and have attempted to implement it as best as possible.

    They need to work on the repetitiveness of missions. They need to work on adding branching dialog. They know this. They know ground combat isn't great... that's why it's slated for the next major update/

    The devs are doing the best they can with the budget and personnel they have been given. If you want to blame anyone for the state of the game blame Jackalope or Cryptic's CEO or the game's former Executive Producer for rushing the game out.

    Rank and file developers and artists don't have a whole lot of say about a game's production schedule. All of the developers (including the game's current EP) know the game needs work. They know it was rushed and unfinished, and they are doing what they can to address the game's deficiencies as quickly as they can.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    I have to disagree with the OP as well. I just came back myself to check out Season 3 and I have to say it feels like a whole different game, not the game I left so long ago.

    Also about this:
    STO is almost as bad as FF14
    Completely disagree, it isn't even close. I currently play FFXIV in addition to STO and it's in far, far worse shape than this game ever was. To the point where the company came out and publicly apologized for the state of the game, replaced their entire dev team, and took away the sub fees making the game free-to-play (which is largely why I still play it :p) until further notice. I don't think STO ever came that close to the bottom.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Lantesh wrote: »
    I have to disagree with the OP as well. I just came back myself to check out Season 3 and I have to say it feels like a whole different game, not the game I left so long ago.

    Also about this:

    Completely disagree, it isn't even close. I currently play FFXIV in addition to STO and it's in far, far worse shape than this game ever was. To the point where the company came out and publicly apologized for the state of the game, replaced their entire dev team, and took away the sub fees making the game free-to-play (which is largely why I still play it :p) until further notice. I don't think STO ever came that close to the bottom.

    Yep, this game is definately not fail......

    I can list a whole bunch of games that launched in worst shape and or took alot longer to get in shape, and or are still in worst shape.

    Anarchy Online
    Age of Conan
    Warhammer
    Tabula Rasa
    Shadowbane
    Horizon

    and I could go on and on... but the key point is this game is not a dissappointment, it has improved immensely and well personally your entitled to your opinion.

    However I do not aggree!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    FenGer wrote: »
    Blah blah blah

    It hasn't been a year yet. Not that that matters.

    But what you say about combat, I have to disagree. Yes, it's largely broken, yes there's room for improvement, but what the heck are you doing that's keeping you from being able to kill things in ground combat? I've never had any problem.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    FenGer wrote: »
    It surprises me that the servers are still open. But it just goes to show there are some people who will pay to play a broken game.

    LOL, omg thank you that made me laugh so hard. Indeed it is a strange situation. I have to agree with you after having played the last several months and having tried to get help with issues, but I am fully confident it's only a matter of time before this game has gone the way of the Matrix Online, it shares so many similiarities its uncanny.

    Did you see the recent G4 review of MMO's released in 2010? I found it through these forums, though it was lauded as having said "great" things about the game, the facts are it said in essence the same thing you did above, something along the lines of...

    "If it's one thing DS9 taught us, Star Trek fans will consume and support anything in the franchise no matter how bad it is" Ouch. I hope noone ever decides to compliment me with a backhand like that.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    FenGer wrote: »
    So I decide i want to try STO out once more, people on the forums are saying that things have been fixed or revamped, content added, etc. I am RA 2, been back for 4 days, and I am already closing my account again. STO is almost as bad as FF14, and STO has been out for a year!

    Nah, I wouldn't say as bad as FFXIV (man, what a let down...exactly why I don't have faith in Square anymore these days), but the game does still have a ways to go until its the "way" everyone thinks it should be. Since ways are subjective, well...we'll just have to wait and see. I personally am still finding bugs in the game that have been in since launch, and nearly a year later they're still there, and this is undeniable by even the most stanch supporters of this game. To me this is laziness on Cryptic's part, pure and simple. But the good news is that the team is finally starting to get this game turned around for the better.
    FenGer wrote: »
    I find that ground combat is COMPLETELY broken, mobs become impossible and maxed out BO's cannot DPS enough to take mobs down. Stuns, knockdowns, they don't help. Then add in the one shot issue with bosses and I want no part of ground combat. So there is half the game gone. And personally, saying that they will fix ground combat in season 4 doesnt help. by the time season 4 comes out I will be playing Rift, Terra, GW2 or some other far superior game to STO.

    Now this, this I can somewhat agree with. Ground combat is indeed a horrible feature in this game, and it always has been since launch. Abilities that won't trigger correctly, times when the away team falls through the terrain, mobs that toss away their ranged weapons to bomb rush you with melee ones...ground combat is very strange to me, and is not something I currently enjoy. While not exactly broken, most agree that the system needs work, and this is what's going to happen come Season 4 and its far overdue. I really do think the game is going to have a good year in 2011.
    FenGer wrote: »
    It really makes me mad because I had such high hopes for STO. Space flight is ridiculous. I am flying in space, and I cannot turn upside down? I cannot fly straight up or down? Only an idiot who took an existing game and modded it to be Star Trek is a total fail. I never feel like I am in space, I never feel like I am flying a starship in space, and since ground combat is ****ed what is there to do in STO?
    Now this is simply the most TRIBBLE portion of your post OP, simply because it goes to show how little you know of Star Trek and how you succeed in basically identifying yourself as a hater of the game. First, you need to understand that this isn't Star Wars, this isn't EvE, or any other kind of "dog fighting" space hype that requires loopty-loops and a million be-be-beeps...this is Star Trek, where ships are massive, slow, and powerful. Its a completely different kind of space combat. LOL...a huge Excelsior class soaring around like an X-Wing from Star Wars. This kind of vision is laughable at best...and TRIBBLE at its worst, and you aren't the first (and most certainly won't be the last) to complain that STO isn't like your favorite space game of all time. Its something that certain peoples need to get over.
    FenGer wrote: »
    This game is NOT Star Trek. it is a ****** space game that doesnt feel like space and has zero fun factor. It surprises me that the servers are still open. But it just goes to show there are some people who will pay to play a broken game.

    ::Sigh:: All this is going to do is inspire flaming and annoyance, which I can already see is existent. But I bet he/she will return soon once Season 4 is live. The game should do very well in 2011.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    The game should do very well in 2011.

    If STO survives TOR and GW2, DC, Tera, Rift etc then yeah i'm sure STO will make it.
    But i dont think STO will grow in more subs unless Cryptic starts to put more work into the game
    with more endgame content VO etc.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    tyyy wrote: »
    If STO survives TOR and GW2, DC, Tera, Rift etc then yeah i'm sure STO will make it.
    But i dont think STO will grow in more subs unless Cryptic starts to put more work into the game
    with more endgame content VO etc.
    Primarily end-game content, IMO. There needs to be a LOT more for PvErs and PvPers to do at level-cap. VOs and Cutscenes are nice in a lot of games but I'd rather have fun game-play then a 1 minute movie to watch every couple of hours or listen to some Admiral tell me I need to defeat the people about to attack.

    Most of the people who have left STO would still be here if there was more end-game content. They didn't leave because of cutscenes, VOs, ground combat, or even the multitude of bugs. They left because they got to level cap in a month and found there was nothing else to do but the same handful of Dailies or some buggy STFs that are too difficult for much of the fan-base to do.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Ground combat and crews are being revamped in season 4. You just came back three/four months too early Mr. OP!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    tyyy wrote: »
    If STO survives TOR and GW2, DC, Tera, Rift etc then yeah i'm sure STO will make it.
    But i dont think STO will grow in more subs unless Cryptic starts to put more work into the game
    with more endgame content VO etc.

    STO will survive for a long time to come, it has a licence with a large fan base that will take it through anything. Just look at SWG, it is still going after 7 years, though it is on it's way out due to development problems and lack of communication with its player base that Cryptic has avoided.

    You will always have a fanbase that will want to play a Star Trek Online game, and even though TOR will be a competitor for sci-fi fans, those who want to play a Star wars game will play TOR and those who want to play a Trek game will play STO regardless of what the other game is doing.

    The only threat to STO would be another Trek game, but with the great backing by CBS that STO's got, I don't see another being commissioned for some time yet.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    MavrykDH wrote: »
    You will always have a fanbase that will want to play a Star Trek Online game, and even though TOR will be a competitor for sci-fi fans, those who want to play a Star wars game will play TOR and those who want to play a Trek game will play STO regardless of what the other game is doing.
    I think most MMO people are sci-fi fans rather then just Trek or Wars fans. That doesn't mean there aren't Trek-only fans but within the MMO community game quality is generally more important then individual IP. An MMO player doesn't really care if he's playing Star Trek, Star Wars, Eve's universe, AO's universe, or something else as long as it's fun.
    The only threat to STO would be another Trek game, but with the great backing by CBS that STO's got, I don't see another being commissioned for some time yet.
    I guess you haven't heard that CBS gave another ST license out for ST: Infinite Space?
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