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I'm sorry, I just have to say it... looking through all these entries there does't seem to be one shred of originality in any of these.

A LOT of them are just galaxy/sovereign class ships with slight modifications, but obviously still largly resembling the original design; make this part bigger, add a few more nacelles, put a few gun turrets there...

Quite a few of them seem to have been copied from the Star Trek Ship Creator, just adding parts and passing it off as their own.

Then there are those that just don't even bother trying, I mean really. I'm not talking about the ones submitted by sketching with pencil and paper, I mean the ones like it is most definatly the Enterprise E just photoshoped pink, or very nice drawing of the Enterprise A... really people!?

Seen one or two stolen works, particularly the person who submitted the USS Aventine from the Ships of the Line calander.

And another few that just don't even look Federation in design.

Nearly all submitted ships as far as design are either not moving forward, going backwards or off on a completly different tangent.

In case anyone had forgotten, THIS IS WHAT THE ENTERPRISE J LOOKS LIKE
Shouldn't the designs start going in this direction? If you take a look at the Enterprise E back to the original, you can see this "evolution" process.

All this complaining and advising/telling how the ship should look, why don't I design one of my own? Plain and simple I'm not that creative to come up with something like that.
...however

Sean P Tourangeau certainly has the right idea. =)
And yes I'm being biast because he did design my favorite ship, the Luna class. This guy just knows Trek ship design.
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    I wish I could design one, but I can't draw and I'm also not in an elligible country.

    I know what you mean about rip offs. I saw one that was just a desktop wallpaper of a scene from First Contact.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Well my design looks like it could be the next stage and I think it's very original.
    forresto wrote: »
    Well since the rules for the contest only allow one entry to be submitted and that entry cannot be taken back, I was wondering if people could give me either comments or suggestions on my design on the Enterprise. I am not a particularly good artist or photoshopper but I think it came out pretty well.

    Intervention -class

    History:
    Due to Starfleet's ever growing needs of advanced capable ships out on the battlefield, the Starfleet corps of engineers have come together to design the Intervention -class. Primarily a tactical ship designed to counter the larger and more powerful ships of the Klingons, Romulans, and Borg. The ship boasts two smaller shuttle bays and a large one along with a docking pad on it's aft. This pad is large enough of carrying two runabouts or two attack fighters or even smaller alien craft/freighters. The Intervention class carries 340 torpedoes, has six torpedo bays, along with 18 phaser banks. The Intervention class is as powerful as two galaxy class starships and 1 and 2/3 larger then a Galaxy class.

    Although primarily a combat ship, it boasts a large science department and carries a lot of the same medical equipment a small star base has. It is well designed as an exploration craft for after war missions.


    Attributes:
    The saucer can separate from the rest of the ship and the impulse engines extend out slightly to form smaller pylons.

    Yes it's another Enterprise entry thread, but it's one I have'nt entered yet and i'm not asking for votes.........yet:D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    bugen4 wrote: »
    In case anyone had forgotten, THIS IS WHAT THE ENTERPRISE J LOOKS LIKE


    Technically yes, but you've also got several ships and about 5 centuries to go before you get from the F to the J.

    As for Originality, there are so many ship designs that have been created by now, it's hard to come up with one that won't look similar to one that's been invented already. I've seen several so far that I thought were pretty cool, and the response on here is "oh, that looks like this ship over here."

    Well of course it does. The Galaxy looks similar to the Ambassador, and the Ambassador looks similar to the Constitution. That's the point. If you look at a Ferrari, they all share similar characteristics. They're all different models, but they're evolutions, just like Starships.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    I think those entries accurately mirror the effort put into the contest page.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    forresto wrote: »
    Well my design looks like it could be the next stage and I think it's very original.

    Yes, I have seen your design and I do like it. I was impressed by it. =)

    "The next stage" is what I (and hopefully everybody + the judges) am looking for.

    Cormoran wrote: »
    I think those entries accurately mirror the effort put into the contest page.

    Well said lol
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Cuatela wrote:
    Technically yes, but you've also got several ships and about 5 centuries to go before you get from the F to the J.

    As for Originality, there are so many ship designs that have been created by now, it's hard to come up with one that won't look similar to one that's been invented already. I've seen several so far that I thought were pretty cool, and the response on here is "oh, that looks like this ship over here."

    Well of course it does. The Galaxy looks similar to the Ambassador, and the Ambassador looks similar to the Constitution. That's the point. If you look at a Ferrari, they all share similar characteristics. They're all different models, but they're evolutions, just like Starships.

    If I was designing the ship, I'd try to keep the "Enterprise" style with a round saucer (or slightly elongated like the Sovereign) and nacelles that stick out. That seems to be the common theme with Enterprises over the years.

    I like how on the J the lines and curves are more organic, like how the frame with the nacelles and drive section also has the deflector built into it and it holds the saucer. I've seen designs online where they say it's multi purpose and you can actually switch to having different shaped saucers but with the same drive section.

    I hope people start submitting entries that are more futuristic like the J, but still a step away from the Sovereign.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    bugen4 wrote: »
    Yes, I have seen your design and I do like it. I was impressed by it. =)

    "The next stage" is what I (and hopefully everybody + the judges) am looking for.

    Thank you very much!:)

    That means a lot to me since I'm not much of artist.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    bugen4 wrote: »
    ITHIS IS WHAT THE ENTERPRISE J LOOKS LIKE
    QUOTE]

    That is an ugly ship.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    shizaru wrote:
    bugen4 wrote: »
    ITHIS IS WHAT THE ENTERPRISE J LOOKS LIKE
    QUOTE]

    That is an ugly ship.

    A matter of opinion.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Wilv wrote: »
    This to me looks like it's moving forward...

    Shame i've already made my one and only vote and thusly can't vote for any of them. :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    What are you on about, the ship needs to be a 2 nacelle saucer and engineering hull section cruiser, all enterprises have been and from what the J says always will be. So no originality in adding another nacelle all we are really doing is making another 2 nacelle cruiser. A step on from the sovereign class
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    bugen4 wrote: »
    I'm sorry, I just have to say it... looking through all these entries there does't seem to be one shred of originality in any of these.

    A LOT of them are just galaxy/sovereign class ships with slight modifications, but obviously still largly resembling the original design; make this part bigger, add a few more nacelles, put a few gun turrets there...

    Quite a few of them seem to have been copied from the Star Trek Ship Creator, just adding parts and passing it off as their own.

    Then there are those that just don't even bother trying, I mean really. I'm not talking about the ones submitted by sketching with pencil and paper, I mean the ones like it is most definatly the Enterprise E just photoshoped pink, or very nice drawing of the Enterprise A... really people!?

    Seen one or two stolen works, particularly the person who submitted the USS Aventine from the Ships of the Line calander.

    And another few that just don't even look Federation in design.

    Nearly all submitted ships as far as design are either not moving forward, going backwards or off on a completly different tangent.

    In case anyone had forgotten, THIS IS WHAT THE ENTERPRISE J LOOKS LIKE
    Shouldn't the designs start going in this direction? If you take a look at the Enterprise E back to the original, you can see this "evolution" process.

    All this complaining and advising/telling how the ship should look, why don't I design one of my own? Plain and simple I'm not that creative to come up with something like that.
    ...however

    Sean P Tourangeau certainly has the right idea. =)
    And yes I'm being biast because he did design my favorite ship, the Luna class. This guy just knows Trek ship design.

    I do not care what anyone says, so no point in arguing with me...but that is *NOT* the Enterprise J. No way. just because some video game said it was, or some alternate time-line says it was, does not set that ship in stone as being Enterprise J. That ship is just puke ugly. If Gene had known people were going to pass that ship off as Enterprise, he would have rolled over in his grave. People are destroying what he has worked so hard to establish with some of these blasphemous creations and story lines.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Cuatela wrote:
    Technically yes, but you've also got several ships and about 5 centuries to go before you get from the F to the J.
    Actually it was 400 years past Enterprise, which is only about 150 years from this time period. :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    What are you on about, the ship needs to be a 2 nacelle saucer and engineering hull section cruiser, all enterprises have been and from what the J says always will be. So no originality in adding another nacelle all we are really doing is making another 2 nacelle cruiser. A step on from the sovereign class
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    I like this one, But maybe thats because its a fan made ship from Startrek Bridge Commander The USS Voyager A So my vote goes to this one cuz i loved that ship :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    that is a real nice ship the enterprise G http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSLrIjYy6JY but unless the person who created it submits it then it cant be the next enterprise
    p.s. i have no idea why my last post came up twice
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Wraiven wrote: »
    I do not care what anyone says, so no point in arguing with me...but that is *NOT* the Enterprise J. No way. just because some video game said it was, or some alternate time-line says it was, does not set that ship in stone as being Enterprise J. That ship is just puke ugly. If Gene had known people were going to pass that ship off as Enterprise, he would have rolled over in his grave. People are destroying what he has worked so hard to establish with some of these blasphemous creations and story lines.

    Correction, Enterprise's Prime universe said that's the Enterprise J. (see: "Azati Prime") Therefore, it's canon.

    Also, Roddenberry was only a consultant for Star Trek after TOS, and he had little to no involvmenet after TNG's second season. DS9, Voy, Ent....all of those were sans-Roddenberry. So don't talk to me about "what Roddenburry worked so hard to create," because the majority of what makes Star Trek great had nothing to do with Roddenberry.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    bugen4 wrote: »
    I'm sorry, I just have to say it... looking through all these entries there does't seem to be one shred of originality in any of these.

    A LOT of them are just galaxy/sovereign class ships with slight modifications, but obviously still largly resembling the original design; make this part bigger, add a few more nacelles, put a few gun turrets there...

    Quite a few of them seem to have been copied from the Star Trek Ship Creator, just adding parts and passing it off as their own.

    Then there are those that just don't even bother trying, I mean really. I'm not talking about the ones submitted by sketching with pencil and paper, I mean the ones like it is most definatly the Enterprise E just photoshoped pink, or very nice drawing of the Enterprise A... really people!?

    Seen one or two stolen works, particularly the person who submitted the USS Aventine from the Ships of the Line calander.

    And another few that just don't even look Federation in design.

    Nearly all submitted ships as far as design are either not moving forward, going backwards or off on a completly different tangent.

    In case anyone had forgotten, THIS IS WHAT THE ENTERPRISE J LOOKS LIKE
    Shouldn't the designs start going in this direction? If you take a look at the Enterprise E back to the original, you can see this "evolution" process.

    All this complaining and advising/telling how the ship should look, why don't I design one of my own? Plain and simple I'm not that creative to come up with something like that.
    ...however

    Sean P Tourangeau certainly has the right idea. =)
    And yes I'm being biast because he did design my favorite ship, the Luna class. This guy just knows Trek ship design.

    But I dont wanna design I giant pizza cutter!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    I think my ship is original. It's not turned in yet though.

    However it doesn't at all go for your requirement of looking more like the Enterprise J. I hate the Enterprise J.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Personally the one I've seen on the contest so far that says "Enterprise" most to me is http://www.startrekonline.com/enterprise/gallery?filter=search&keyword=madden Good mix of the A and E, yet has it's own lines of originality.

    As for some of the other entries I certainly applaud anyone uploading original works and trying. However I think for it to say "Enterprise" it needs to be circular saucer, engineering hull, and two warp nacelles that go above the engineering hull. That's just my take and certainly the angle I'm working off of for my not so artistic attempt.

    As for the F needing to start towards the J, I don't think it needs to. The F is as far away from J as the original was from D. Aside from the general "lines" there really wasn't that much in the way of the original looking anything like the D. Heck for that matter there isn't a ton of similarity from original to B. Each step up there should be lines and when put together you should see the evolution but every additional step should look that much different and to an extent unrecognizable.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    well we got a long way to go before ships start looking like that we need something that looks like a sovereign more than it does the J
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Cuatela wrote:
    Correction, Enterprise's Prime universe said that's the Enterprise J. (see: "Azati Prime") Therefore, it's canon.

    Also, Roddenberry was only a consultant for Star Trek after TOS, and he had little to no involvmenet after TNG's second season. DS9, Voy, Ent....all of those were sans-Roddenberry. So don't talk to me about "what Roddenburry worked so hard to create," because the majority of what makes Star Trek great had nothing to do with Roddenberry.

    Like I said, it's an alternate timeline. Not set in stone, therefore it is *not* cannon. Allow me to quote directly from your own link...

    "In a possible future, the USS Enterprise (NCC-1701-J) was a Federation starship in service during the 26th century. "
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    None of the entries are ships I'd even consider to bear the name "Enterprise". TBH, none of those ships are ships I'd even touch with a 10ft pole.

    Granted, I only tolerate the Luna class because Riker commands one, but thats it. And I tolerate the current ingame STO ship designs because not one bears a prestigeous name like the "Enterprise".

    Cryptic, you're not only deciding what will be the next Enterprise, you're deciding what could potentially become soft-canon to Star Trek fans. Do not dissapoint us. You've already dissapointed many more before.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Most of the contest site is a joke anyway.....I'm still thinking whether it'll be worth even entering the contest haha....I'd say half of the entries are jokes by now. :( :rolleyes:


    I'd rather have CBS/Cryptic make a handleful of designs and over an X amount of time have the fans choose which ship they want.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    lcars wrote: »
    Personally the one I've seen on the contest so far that says "Enterprise" most to me is http://www.startrekonline.com/enterprise/gallery?filter=search&keyword=madden Good mix of the A and E, yet has it's own lines of originality.

    As for some of the other entries I certainly applaud anyone uploading original works and trying. However I think for it to say "Enterprise" it needs to be circular saucer, engineering hull, and two warp nacelles that go above the engineering hull. That's just my take and certainly the angle I'm working off of for my not so artistic attempt.

    As for the F needing to start towards the J, I don't think it needs to. The F is as far away from J as the original was from D. Aside from the general "lines" there really wasn't that much in the way of the original looking anything like the D. Heck for that matter there isn't a ton of similarity from original to B. Each step up there should be lines and when put together you should see the evolution but every additional step should look that much different and to an extent unrecognizable.

    I do dig that design. Thanks for pointing it out. Mine's in my sig. I don't think I copied any prior designs too much. I mean, the Enterprise is pretty iconic, Saucer, Stardrive section, 2 nacelles. Only so many variations you can do.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    lcars wrote: »
    Personally the one I've seen on the contest so far that says "Enterprise" most to me is http://www.startrekonline.com/enterprise/gallery?filter=search&keyword=madden Good mix of the A and E, yet has it's own lines of originality.

    As for some of the other entries I certainly applaud anyone uploading original works and trying. However I think for it to say "Enterprise" it needs to be circular saucer, engineering hull, and two warp nacelles that go above the engineering hull. That's just my take and certainly the angle I'm working off of for my not so artistic attempt.

    As for the F needing to start towards the J, I don't think it needs to. The F is as far away from J as the original was from D. Aside from the general "lines" there really wasn't that much in the way of the original looking anything like the D. Heck for that matter there isn't a ton of similarity from original to B. Each step up there should be lines and when put together you should see the evolution but every additional step should look that much different and to an extent unrecognizable.



    I like this one, best I have seen so far.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    I like this one, best I have seen so far.

    I like it ok, but it looks too much like the Enterprise E. I would like to see a whole new design that does not resemble any of the other ships, that also remains cannon to the Enterprise Style. Nacelles up, round or oval saucer.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    lcars wrote: »
    Personally the one I've seen on the contest so far that says "Enterprise" most to me is http://www.startrekonline.com/enterprise/gallery?filter=search&keyword=madden Good mix of the A and E, yet has it's own lines of originality.

    Hmm. Nice. Also fits with the crazy amount of retro being put out by the shipyards in STO at the moment.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Cosmic_One wrote: »
    Actually it was 400 years past Enterprise, which is only about 150 years from this time period. :)

    come to think of it.... it looks like a huge version of the nx class....
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