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In the typhoon class thread in fed cruisers, this video of one of the trailers was posted:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3Ug52fz5_k
there are A LOT of ships in that video that i dont see now, many of which are better than some we have now.
my personal favorite is the ship that cuts from left down to the bottom of the screen with the triangular partial saucer, that ship is EPIC. and the only ship that we currently have in the game in 1:11 is the majestic, all those ships look crazy, especially the one lower left of center.
What happened to these designs?!:confused: Is it possible that we could see these maybe slipping in later on?
Thanks
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    A lot of those designs I noticed were in the concept designs from when the game was being developed, and also when that other company was working on it. A couple of the models show up as random wrecks here and there.

    Heck, there's a couple I wouldn't mind seeing myself in game.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    A lot of those designs I noticed were in the concept designs from when the game was being developed, and also when that other company was working on it. A couple of the models show up as random wrecks here and there.

    Indeed, most of the designs and environments seen in this trailer are from Perpetual's work on Star Trek Online, before the game was taken up by Cryptic. Much has changed since then.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    i so want some of those ships in-game as well, mentioned below :)

    0:28 the sovereign model with the bar thing across the nacelles, i like that little addition :)
    1:01 (bottom) that one does look cool :)
    1:11 pretty much ALL the ships at that little gathering there :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    IIRC, that was an early concept video that Cryptic made using Perpetual's ship designs to show to CBS when they were buying Perpetual's license: they had to convince CBS to allow them to take over the license from Perpetual.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Which brings up a finicky question,

    So, if CBS is the all powerful, all owning diety of anything STO, why can't Cryptic, who is developing STO under their license use these ships or other designs?

    Perpetual developed alot of these starship designs, under license from CBS...So, knowing CBS, they own them and the soul of whatever computer graphic animator that created them. (I'm sure the poor sap is still locked in some basement storeroom over at CBS).

    Isn't it kind of like the UGC, anything we make with it, belongs to Cryptic, which belongs to CBS? (And in the off chance they decide to make a new TV show and they decide to use said content we created, they are allowed to come to our homes and kidnap us in the middle of the night ...)

    PS,

    I know it's been explained why (lag) but it still irks me that we don't have the exploding space debris for starships like in this trailer....every time I see that Galaxy get pummeled, I wish I wish I wish...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Perpetual was kind of better at designing ships with the Trek feel than Cryptic. Cryptic tends to overdo details, or make their designs too modular and put odd shapes and gaps in them.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Which brings up a finicky question,

    So, if CBS is the all powerful, all owning diety of anything STO, why can't Cryptic, who is developing STO under their license use these ships or other designs?

    Well - they did. The astute viewer will note that the parts for the Sovereign variant (minus the rollbar between the nacelles) IS in-game, as a combination of Sovereign-variant parts and a Galaxy-variant saucer. Including the notches on the side of the saucer...

    The ship with the hollow saucer - well, no Star Trek ship EVAR had a hollow saucer. Sure, it makes for a neat visual with the whole "peace sign" vibe going on... obviously CBS decided not to. Remember it's CBS, not Cryptic, that has final say on what is or is not in-game.
    Perpetual developed alot of these starship designs, under license from CBS...So, knowing CBS, they own them and the soul of whatever computer graphic animator that created them. (I'm sure the poor sap is still locked in some basement storeroom over at CBS).

    Sure, CBS has the OP rights to the designs - ever stop to think that CBS may have decided against them for whatever reason? Personally, I don't like the "Let's blame Cryptic for TRIBBLE not being in-game" attitude when it's CBS CORP with final say.

    As for other designs not owned by CBS.,..guess you've never heard of copyright, have you? US copyright law says that once a work is published in any form, the author has a legal copyright right then and there. Cryptic CAN'T use anything they don't have the rights to, or they'd be liable for infringement. The stuff included from the Expanded Universe in-game has mostly come from - guess who? - Pocket Books, a WHOLLY-OWNED SUBSIDIARY of CBS Corp. Therefore, CBS HAS THE LICENSE for them - which is the ONLY reason there's a Luna-class in-game - wholly designed for a contest promoting ST:Titan, with the design becoming IP of Pocket Books.

    Get it now?
    Isn't it kind of like the UGC, anything we make with it, belongs to Cryptic, which belongs to CBS? (And in the off chance they decide to make a new TV show and they decide to use said content we created, they are allowed to come to our homes and kidnap us in the middle of the night ...)

    PS,

    I know it's been explained why (lag) but it still irks me that we don't have the exploding space debris for starships like in this trailer....every time I see that Galaxy get pummeled, I wish I wish I wish...

    Now you know why Cryptic reserves the right to review anything created in the Foundry before it goes public - it's not only being checked for TOS violations, but CBS gets a chance to chime in, too.

    Yes, anything created in the Foundry becomes IP of Cryptic/CBS - the creators using the Foundry won't receive any compensation that Cryptic doesn't give them That was brought up before the Foundry went Live - and answered then. While they're not gonna come kidnap anyone (I think...), the person who used the Foundry to create the story probrably won't get any compensation. Cryptic/CBS has the OPTION to do so, but it's certainly not required.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Well it seems like a lot of these ships are already designed so they should be able to get them done pretty fast.

    Cryptic needs to start producing new ships.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    forresto wrote: »
    Well it seems like a lot of these ships are already designed so they should be able to get them done pretty fast.

    Cryptic needs to start producing new ships.

    Why?

    Think about it - just what does a "new ship" bring into the game, besides a new visual? Underneath the skin, all ships consist of a box with various attribute slots that you fill with weapons, shields,consoles etc.

    All you're asking for is another box - BFD.

    Heck, nobody ever got tired of looking at a Galaxy-class in TNG for SEVEN YEARS - ask yourself, what is a better use for a design team: designing a box and balancing it for a subset of the playerbase, otr working on THINGS TO DO in the game that can be done my a majority of the playerbase (such as the weeklies)?

    If your answer is another box - methinks you'd better check your priorities.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    forresto wrote: »
    Well it seems like a lot of these ships are already designed so they should be able to get them done pretty fast.

    Cryptic needs to start producing new ships.
    Cryptic produced several new ship skins. What they learned is that STO players are totally focused on their own little ST worlds of the past and really don't give a darn about the STO timeline or new creations. What do STO fans seem to spend all their time asking for? Older ships: Ambassador, Oberth, NX, Excelsior, Nebula, etc, etc, etc. Every time Cryptic tries to implement a new idea the fans just tell them how much they'd prefer getting older, gone-before, stuff. I've said it before on the forum and I'll say it again: too many ST fans only live in the past.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    ohhh.... I want that nacelles' color, BLUE! Why we can't have that?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    So, if CBS is the all powerful, all owning diety of anything STO, why can't Cryptic, who is developing STO under their license use these ships or other designs?
    They can, assuming Cryptic likes the designs and CBS will approve them. Keep in mind that the video was thrown together as a sales pitch. We don't know if CBS even approved all those designs for Perpetual - they could have just been pre-build test ships for Perpetual too. It's quite possible Cryptic did ask to use some on their version of the game and CBS said no. Cryptic's had more then one ship model rejected even since launch. No matter how cool we might think something is CBS still has the final say-so.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Callasan wrote: »
    Well - they did. The astute viewer will note that the parts for the Sovereign variant (minus the rollbar between the nacelles) IS in-game, as a combination of Sovereign-variant parts and a Galaxy-variant saucer. Including the notches on the side of the saucer...
    Yeah, the NX 91001 is just the Noble without the nacelle bracket.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Callasan wrote: »
    Why?

    Think about it - just what does a "new ship" bring into the game, besides a new visual? Underneath the skin, all ships consist of a box with various attribute slots that you fill with weapons, shields,consoles etc.

    All you're asking for is another box - BFD.

    Heck, nobody ever got tired of looking at a Galaxy-class in TNG for SEVEN YEARS - ask yourself, what is a better use for a design team: designing a box and balancing it for a subset of the playerbase, otr working on THINGS TO DO in the game that can be done my a majority of the playerbase (such as the weeklies)?

    If your answer is another box - methinks you'd better check your priorities.

    Sigh.

    And the ship artists are gonna go start coding, writing and designing stories?

    The answer is: No, they aren't. Ship artists make ships. Its why they are paid. Plenty of us enjoy seeing new ships. Its also a revenue stream for Cryptic.

    Also, no need to get sanctimonious and tell people to get their priorities straight, Its a game, people enjoy it in their own way.



    Anyway, Perpetual didn't make those, they hired John Eaves to make most of those. I am guessing they decided not to use them because they would owe Eaves royalties if they used them.

    Besides, they aren't that great. I may not like all of the Cryptic designs, but they're better than most of those old "Perpetual" ships. Holes in pylons are odd. Holes in Saucers are... silly.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Besides, they aren't that great. I may not like all of the Cryptic designs, but they're better than most of those old "Perpetual" ships. Holes in pylons are odd. Holes in Saucers are... silly.
    I really don't like to use the word "better." Nothing artistic is really better then anything else. It's all subjective to the viewer. The things you find to be better aren't always the things others find to be better. Some people like the Perpetual designs, some people like the Cryptic designs, some love both, some hate both. It's just the way it is.
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