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The famous tag line from the Fallout Series comes to mind whenever I think about the massive number of wars that Cryptic has woven into STO. The Iconians, the Klingons, the Borg, the Terran Empire, the Romulans, and the True Way...

It just seems like the Federation is faced with impossible odds. Each enemy has its own agenda, and all the Federation wants is to be left in peace, and maybe meet some new peeps. Why are there so many antagonistic races in STO? Why does STO feature so many wars with no end in sight?

War can be an amazing part of any story, but it needs to have meaning imho. Lets us have a Territorial PvP System interlinked with the PvE Economy so that PvE and PvP players can come together for a common goal. If the Federation is on the brink of collapse, let us boldy go and answer the call of duty Spock speaks of in the STO Opening Scene.

I think that we could have Weekly Episodes focusing on the Major Wars. This would push forard the timeline. Has the time line even advance a single year in game, since launch? Does anyone else feel like STO's conflicts are frozen in time by Q for his amusement?
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    The famous tag line from the Fallout Series comes to mind whenever I think about the massive number of wars that Cryptic has woven into STO. The Iconians, the Klingons, the Borg, the Terran Empire, the Romulans, and the True Way...

    It just seems like the Federation is faced with impossible odds. Each enemy has its own agenda, and all the Federation wants is to be left in peace, and maybe meet some new peeps. Why are there so many antagonistic races in STO? Why does STO feature so many wars with no end in sight?

    War can be an amazing part of any story, but it needs to have meaning imho. Lets us have a Territorial PvP System interlinked with the PvE Economy so that PvE and PvP players can come together for a common goal. If the Federation is on the brink of collapse, let us boldy go and answer the call of duty Spock speaks of in the STO Opening Scene.

    I think that we could have Weekly Episodes focusing on the Major Wars. This would push forard the timeline. Has the time line even advance a single year in game, since launch? Does anyone else feel like STO's conflicts are frozen in time by Q for his amusement?

    When has war ever had a real meaning? Excluding WW2 cause the truth is people purposely ignore the atrocities both sides dealt to the other in an effort to remind themselves hitler was the devil. War is always misguided, its always useless in the end because so many die for no reason. War always brings out those looking to exploit something.

    When it comes to the war in STO...If you consider the way things are playing out. Youd realize why the Feds have so many wolves at their gates. Typically the Feds suck at War, but they are almost always able to out Tech the enemy.
    This time around, they arent able to do that. The Klingons are moving up, and doing it fast. Never before has the Klingons had such a diverse choice in ships or capabilities. Which makes it impossible for the Feds to out Tech them like they usually do. And for the first time, theyve integrated three other warring/terroristic cultures into their fold. Which makes them more formidable. Now they can straight up fight you. And successfully rob you blind.
    As for the Romulans...theyve always been shady characters. Any dealings with them you should expect to be stabbed in the back. Were "trying to maintain stabibility" in an unstable region of space. Romulans just need to be left to their own devices. Regardless of what happens....invasion or civil war. Be sure the Romulans will be back and regardless if we help them or not. They will find a reason to hate us and kill us. On top of that, they have Remans (these people were notorious for their aggressiveness during the dominion war) and the Hirogen...who have always shown a taste for blood.
    Cardassians...These people have always been warriors. Your not going to take that out of their culture over night and thats why the True Way is successfully mounting a revolte in that sector of space. As well the remaining Dominion forces have nothing better to do with themselves. They were bred for war and settling down and making peace just isnt in their chromosomes literally.
    You have the MirrorVerse theyve always had issues on their side. Theyve always wanted what the Feds had...and now they have the capability of abandoning the wasteland they created in their dimision and moving in on ours.
    The Borg when arent these guys trouble when they show up? Even in their weakened state. These foes have two things going for them. They still have an endless supply of drones and not every civilization they come upon can defend themselves like the Feds can. As well, they have returned during a time of war. Possibly by choice....theyve always been able overrun the Feds before when the Feds had the resources to throw at the Borg. And still been beaten back...just at a high price. Now that the Feds are spread thin. It would make complete sense that the Borg strike. They may be weak. But with the numbers they have they will eventually over run us no matter how many of them we kill.
    The Undine Theyve had it out for the Feds ever since Voyager. Janeways choice, ultimately cost the Feds a possible ally against the Borg...One that would of made the Borg a fleeting nightmare that doesnt scare us anymore. They have the ability to shapeshift and worse of all they have time on their side. They can be more patient then ever considering theyd rather infiltrate our numbers rather then fight us straight up.
    Regardless of the circumstances...we already know the Feds will come thru. We know this thanks to the book "The Needs of the Many" that pretty much detail what happens in the not too distant future of STO.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    PvE and PvP need to remain totally separate of each other. If I wanted to PvP I would. Forcing it on me won't make me want to PvP.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    The famous tag line from the Fallout Series comes to mind whenever I think about the massive number of wars that Cryptic has woven into STO. The Iconians, the Klingons, the Borg, the Terran Empire, the Romulans, and the True Way...

    It just seems like the Federation is faced with impossible odds. Each enemy has its own agenda, and all the Federation wants is to be left in peace, and maybe meet some new peeps. Why are there so many antagonistic races in STO? Why does STO feature so many wars with no end in sight?
    To be fair, the war with the Romulans is the Federation's fault. Quite a few of the missions involve you conducting "preemptive strikes" (read: unprovoked invasions) in their sovereign territory.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    PvE and PvP need to remain totally separate of each other. If I wanted to PvP I would. Forcing it on me won't make me want to PvP.

    I did not say force PvE players (like myself) to PvP...I said allow the efforts of both to contribute to each others goals.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    When has war ever had a real meaning?

    War has no real meaning? Our soldiers die without purpose? Both in-game and in reality? I'm sorry, but I simply can't agree with that pacifist perspective, no matter how you spin it.

    I have to say, though it was brief, I was quite moved by Leonard Nimoy's in-game narration when we first move into the Eta Eridani Sector Block, an overview of the current state of the war with the Klingons: "Every death has meaning."
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    War can be an amazing part of any story, but it needs to have meaning imho. Lets us have a Territorial PvP System interlinked with the PvE Economy so that PvE and PvP players can come together for a common goal. If the Federation is on the brink of collapse, let us boldy go and answer the call of duty Spock speaks of in the STO Opening Scene.

    Use the search option on the forum please. There are already hundreds of thread about this, and there was even a thread about this a few hours ago. No need to remake the thread just post there and bump it up.

    Thank you.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    dixonium wrote: »
    War has no real meaning? Our soldiers die without purpose? Both in-game and in reality? I'm sorry, but I simply can't agree with that pacifist perspective, no matter how you spin it.

    I have to say, though it was brief, I was quite moved by Leonard Nimoy's in-game narration when we first move into the Eta Eridani Sector Block, an overview of the current state of the war with the Klingons: "Every death has meaning."

    please tell me what has war ever gave us? its not a pacifist perspective. just an understanding that ive been over there. and ill be there again. ive seen people die, and i know their deaths werent meaningful whatsoever.

    STO can spin the war with whatever propaganda theyd like. But reality is, more will suffer then those that wont.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Rikx wrote: »
    Use the search option on the forum please. There are already hundreds of thread about this, and there was even a thread about this a few hours ago. No need to remake the thread just post there and bump it up.

    Thank you.

    Respectfully (sincerely), I will post whatever I chose, on whatever topic I choose. I have been a forum member for a few years here. There is no rule against starting a thread to talk about something. Your condescending politeness is unwelcome in this thread. I know how to use a search function, I just prefer to start a discussion, not necro a thread by searching for one to comment on(which is against Forum Guidelines.) Your assumptions that I am bumping are unfounded, please do not assume that every poster has read every thread you have, or that they have some 'bump agenda' sir or madam...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    The real answer to this question is:

    This game would be very boring if everyone was at peace with each other. What would you do, fly around and give medical supplies to random planets and that's it?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    The intended purpose of war is to serve a political end, but the true nature of war is to serve itself.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    The intended purpose of war is to serve a political end, but the true nature of war is to serve itself.

    Most wars come about as a result of miscalculation, mishaps, and/.or blundering--although you do have some wars that happen as a result of deliberate policy (Bismarck's wars, for example.) To a large extent the wars in STO are as a result of blunders, mishaps, and miscalculations. The Federation underestimated the Undine threat, the Klingons desire for battle causing them to overreach, the Romulans dealing with civil strife and external invasion resulting from the aftereffects of the Hobus supernova, etc. etc.

    The thing is, as someone else correctly pointed out, in a game setting such as this, you need conflict. While flying in search of anomalies might thrill the heart of an explorer, it'll probably prove boring fast to the casual gamer looking for a bit of pew-pew with the ol' phaser banks. What has to happen though, of course, is that Cryptic needs to have at least a broad notion of where all these wars are going. Storyline is as important, if not more so, than pew-pew.

    Someone else brought out the notion of PvP battles for territory. I'm not too sure about that. I can where that poster is coming from, but I'm not so about the implementation.
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