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800 players voted for the All Good Things uniform... second place in the poll after the open jacket...
http://forums.startrekonline.com/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=6

how is it that suddenly everyone and their smizmar seems to think that of all the criminally negligent, just... utterly despicable sins to CRAWL... out of its own FETID FILTH and into the franchise.... the WORST of all of them is INFINITELY better than the AGT uniform could ever HOPE to be!!

i may or may not be exaggerating...

so why do YOU hate the uniform?

personally, i think the art team did a nice job making them look pretty snazzy... even if they were kinda frumpy in the shows
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    I voted for the open jacket over this piece of bad design decision, myself.

    I should elaborate to stay on topic.

    It's ugly. It looks like they have their pants pulled up waaay too high.

    Seriously, if the color came down another two to four inches, it'd look fine. But as it stands it looks unbalanced, and is just awkward to look at.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Jexsam wrote: »
    I voted for the open jacket over this piece of bad design decision, myself.
    Same here, and agreed 100% - it's ugly.

    Also, if you break down the total numbers, basically 3,047 people voted for something other than the AGT uniforms. 800 is less than half of the total people who took the poll.
    -
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Not sure if hate is the correct word.

    Twitching left eye over the pulled up pants would be more correct.
    Jexsam wrote: »
    It's ugly. It looks like they have their pants pulled up waaay too high.

    Seriously, if the color came down another two to four inches, it'd look fine. But as it stands it looks unbalanced, and is just awkward to look at.
    We need nerd glasses and a high pitched laugh emote ala Steve Urkel to match.

    That or a really old woman.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    i don't think it's ugly in general. however, i do think the lack of a higher collar and the high trouser-waist does count against it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    I voted for the Enterprise Uniform over the AGT what I think it looks ugly.
    I got all the Uniforms that they put in-game already & I don't plain on getting it AGT.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Blyn wrote:
    800 players voted for the All Good Things uniform... second place in the poll after the open jacket...
    http://forums.startrekonline.com/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=6

    how is it that suddenly everyone and their smizmar seems to think that of all the criminally negligent, just... utterly despicable sins to CRAWL... out of its own FETID FILTH and into the franchise.... the WORST of all of them is INFINITELY better than the AGT uniform could ever HOPE to be!!

    i may or may not be exaggerating...

    so why do YOU hate the uniform?

    personally, i think the art team did a nice job making them look pretty snazzy... even if they were kinda frumpy in the shows

    I think you might be exaggerating just a little. By my count there are 3 threads mostly full of people waiting for this uniform.

    http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=186715

    http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=191885

    http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=191067

    Sure, there is a handful of people who don't like it and have expressed their opinion but I hardly think that qualifies as "everyone and their smizmar".
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    For the same reason I hate the GalX, Andorian ship, Vulcan ship, TOS Connie, NX, TOS Uniforms etc.

    They dont belong in this time/timeperiod
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    pr1983 wrote: »
    i don't think it's ugly in general. however, i do think the lack of a higher collar and the high trouser-waist does count against it.

    To tell ya the truth, I think the AGT uniform was designed purposely like that for a specific reason...

    The TNG Crew were all supposed to be much older in that part of the AGT episode...,

    IMHO... In order to convey that idea, not only were they put in Aged Makeup, but the Uni was designed to give the impression of the way a lot of older people wear their clothing in contemporary society.

    My RL job brings me into contact with Seniors on a regular basis and MANY of them, especially the guys wear their pants that high.

    It's something that we as a society see on a regular basis and I think that design thought was put into the AGT Future uniforms to help give the viewers a subtle subconscious feeling of "Wow Their Old".


    It's probably also the reason many folks around here don't like them, Frumpy is not Chic or cool to the younger crowd.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    For the same reason I hate the GalX, Andorian ship, Vulcan ship, TOS Connie, NX, TOS Uniforms etc.

    They dont belong in this time/timeperiod

    Correction, the AGT uniform was seen in 3 separate realities ALL involving this time period.

    Again, the uniform was seen in not 1 but 3 distinct and separate time lines. Some (though I'm sure not all) of the things that set them apart were.
    (2395) During AGT, the Romulan empire had been taken over by Klingons. Tension between the Klingons and the Federation seemed high and increasing. The Enterprise D was still around. Troi was dead.

    (2422) During The visitor, the Dominion war never happened. Tension between the Klingons and the Federation was high but decreasing. The Klingons held DS9. Jadzia Dax was alive and in a relationship w/ Julian. The Enterprise D was destroyed.

    (2404) During Endgame, Voyager took 16 years longer to reach Earth. The Klingons and the Federation were friendly enough to care about Janeway's recommendation of Korath. 7/9 along w/ 22 other crew men never made it to Earth. The Dominion war did happen. Jadzia Dax was dead. The Enterprise D was destroyed.

    Even w/ these inconsistencies between the time lines the uniform in all 3 was a constant.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    DaveyNY wrote: »
    To tell ya the truth, I think the AGT uniform was designed purposely like that for a specific reason...

    The TNG Crew were all supposed to be much older in that part of the AGT episode...,

    IMHO... In order to convey that idea, not only were they put in Aged Makeup, but the Uni was designed to give the impression of the way a lot of older people wear their clothing in contemporary society.

    My RL job brings me into contact with Seniors on a regular basis and MANY of them, especially the guys wear their pants that high.

    It's something that we as a society see on a regular basis and I think that design thought was put into the AGT Future uniforms to help give the viewers a subtle subconscious feeling of "Wow Their Old".


    It's probably also the reason many folks around here don't like them, Frumpy is not Chic or cool to the younger crowd.

    hmm. that's actually a really good point, and i like where you're going with it. it makes sense.

    i did like riker's uniform though. or is that considered a separate part of the debate?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    DaveyNY wrote: »
    To tell ya the truth, I think the AGT uniform was designed purposely like that for a specific reason...

    The TNG Crew were all supposed to be much older in that part of the AGT episode...,

    IMHO... In order to convey that idea, not only were they put in Aged Makeup, but the Uni was designed to give the impression of the way a lot of older people wear their clothing in contemporary society.

    My RL job brings me into contact with Seniors on a regular basis and MANY of them, especially the guys wear their pants that high.

    It's something that we as a society see on a regular basis and I think that design thought was put into the AGT Future uniforms to help give the viewers a subtle subconscious feeling of "Wow Their Old".


    It's probably also the reason many folks around here don't like them, Frumpy is not Chic or cool to the younger crowd.

    The uniform was clearly not just for the old. In "Endgame" we see cadets wearing a differently colored version of it.

    http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Unnamed_Starfleet_personnel_%28future%29

    http://www.geocities.jp/shin1701/vgr-cadet-uniform.html
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    For the same reason I hate the GalX, Andorian ship, Vulcan ship, TOS Connie, NX, TOS Uniforms etc.

    They don't belong in this time/time period

    It's kinda hard to jump on that bandwagon with you...

    Just look around today..., you still see many references to things from our past being Used/Copied/Incorporated into our daily lives...

    Vehicles... Furniture... Clothing... They even retro-fit buildings because of nostalgia.



    I find it difficult to believe that something so deeply ingrained into our psyches (Nostalgia) will just go away in a few centuries.

    While I agree that older ships should not really be able to take on something twice as powerful and win...,

    I see no reason why they would not still be around, our love of Nostalgia isn't going to just fade with time.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Wilv wrote: »
    Correction, the AGT uniform was seen in 3 separate realities ALL involving this time period.

    Again, the uniform was seen in not 1 but 3 distinct and separate time lines. Some (though I'm sure not all) of the things that set them apart were.
    (2395) During AGT, the Romulan empire had been taken over by Klingons. Tension between the Klingons and the Federation seemed high and increasing. The Enterprise D was still around. Troi was dead.

    (2422) During The visitor, the Dominion war never happened. Tension between the Klingons and the Federation was high but decreasing. The Klingons held DS9. Jadzia Dax was alive and in a relationship w/ Julian. The Enterprise D was destroyed.

    (2404) During Endgame, Voyager took 16 years longer to reach Earth. The Klingons and the Federation were friendly enough to care about Janeway's recommendation of Korath. 7/9 along w/ 22 other crew men never made it to Earth. The Dominion war did happen. Jadzia Dax was dead. The Enterprise D was destroyed.

    Even w/ these inconsistencies between the time lines the uniform in all 3 was a constant.

    Not to mention that in Endgame, Voyager returned home with visual proof of the AGT uniform and combadge. While we don't know exactly how much data was scanned from the shuttlecraft, it's possible that information on when these were to be implemented into use was uncovered.

    Since Starfleet goes to such great lengths to keep the timeline preserved, it's very likely that they would use these uniforms.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    DaveyNY wrote: »
    Just look around today..., you still see many references to things from our past being Used/Copied/Incorporated into our daily lives...

    Vehicles... Furniture... Clothing... They even retro-fit buildings because of nostalgia.
    My shoes are well over 5 years old.

    Compared to the rate every other woman gets new shoes thats like... 500 years. (or 5000 depending on how much "*censor* in the City" they watch)

    Valxocia wrote:
    Not to mention that in Endgame, Voyager returned home with visual proof of the AGT uniform and combadge. While we don't know exactly how much data was scanned from the shuttlecraft, it's possible that information on when these were to be implemented into use was uncovered.

    Since Starfleet goes to such great lengths to keep the timeline preserved, it's very likely that they would use these uniforms.
    Ah but that timeline stopped existing when Janeway didn't spend half her life returning to earth.
    So different timeline yet again.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    I don't hate it, personally. I just don't really care for it. It's simply a matter of personal taste. Not everyone likes the same things, and I don't really care for the look of the AGT uniforms. Maybe 800 people voted for it, but I was not among them. <shrugs> I've no problem with you liking it, hopefully you've no problem with me disliking it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    To each their own.

    Personally, I love the AGT uniforms and cannot wait for them to be released.


    :cool:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Chat wrote:
    Ah but that timeline stopped existing when Janeway didn't spend half her life returning to earth.
    So different timeline yet again.

    The point I was making was that Voyager brought visual evidence of both the AGT uniform and combadge back with it. If Starfleet was aware that the uniform was to be implemented in the future, they would adhere to it because the organization believes in, and enforces laws that advocate keeping the timeline preserved.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Wilv wrote: »
    The uniform was clearly not just for the old. In "Endgame" we see cadets wearing a differently colored version of it.

    http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Unnamed_Starfleet_personnel_%28future%29

    http://www.geocities.jp/shin1701/vgr-cadet-uniform.html

    You seemed to have kinda-sorta, missed the point that I was talking 'JUST' about the "ALL GOOD THINGS" episode.

    The original appearance of that particular uniform and the original design thought behind it.

    ;)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Valxocia wrote:
    The point I was making was that Voyager brought visual evidence of both the AGT uniform and combadge back with it. If Starfleet was aware that the uniform was to be implemented in the future, they would adhere to it because the organization believes in, and enforces laws that advocate keeping the timeline preserved.
    A different timeline. Not theirs.
    It got changed the moment Voyager arrived early. (technically when Janeway traveled back in time but that information is secret)

    And not sure if Starfleet would even know about it. Seeing as it is very much hush-hush organization.

    But maybe it is moot. *shrug* All that matters is that the pants are waaaaaaaaay too high up. :p
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Chat wrote:
    A different time line. Not theirs.
    It got changed the moment Voyager arrived early. (technically when Janeway traveled back in time but that information is secret)

    And not sure if Starfleet would even know about it. Seeing as it is very much hush-hush organization.

    But maybe it is moot. *shrug* All that matters is that the pants are waaaaaaaaay too high up. :p

    Is it a one or two piece uni?

    Maybe the top part is designed to appear to be like a cummerbund.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    DaveyNY wrote: »
    Is it a one or two piece uni?

    Maybe the top part is designed to appear to be like a cummerbund.
    Well from the in game screens it looks like a cummerband.

    For the actual uniform it's pants all the way.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Chat wrote:
    Well from the in game screens it looks like a cummerband.

    For the actual uniform it's pants all the way.

    So it IS a One Piece?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Chat wrote:
    A different timeline. Not theirs.
    It got changed the moment Voyager arrived early. (technically when Janeway traveled back in time but that information is secret)

    Starfleet wouldn't view it as a different timeline, they'd in fact view it as the proper timeline that Admiral Janeway altered, and therefore would take measures to try to preserve it. With visual details on the AGT uniform and combadge in Starfleet's database, the uniforms will be implemented even if Janeway's early arrival home did somehow end up influencing the original designer of the uniform to stray a different way.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    DaveyNY wrote: »
    So it IS a One Piece?
    Jacket with pants.
    It is however made as a one piece. So the pants is an illusion. (I think...)


    In game will most likely deal with it looking like a top with a cummerband and then whatever pants you want.
    Which reduces my interest in it. Top is just fine. It's the armpit pants that are crime against fashion.
    Valxocia wrote:
    Starfleet wouldn't view it as a different timeline, they'd in fact view it as the proper timeline that Admiral Janeway altered, and therefore would take measures to try to preserve it. With visual details on the AGT uniform and combadge in Starfleet's database, the uniforms will be implemented even if Janeway's early arrival home did somehow end up influencing the original designer of the uniform to stray a different way.
    Grandfather paradox. Not that timetravel ever had a negative impact in Star Trek. :p

    But my point is that they would hide the information about the future.
    So for the designer to know about it he had to be influenced by Temporal something investigations.
    Janeway traveling back would be seen as a violation(ahahaha... Didn't Janeway like make a couple of rules because of her violations?) and thereby be enforced with secrecy?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Who decides which timeline is "proper?"
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    I voted for it and am realy looking forward to it's release. Unfortunatly for December we have instead been given Troi's Jumpsuit to vomit into :p
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Chat wrote:
    My shoes are well over 5 years old.

    Compared to the rate every other woman gets new shoes thats like... 500 years. (or 5000 depending on how much "*censor* in the City" they watch)



    Ah but that timeline stopped existing when Janeway didn't spend half her life returning to earth.
    So different timeline yet again.

    But again, the uniform didn't exist in just 1 time line, it existed in 3. If it survived the alteration of 2 previous alternate time lines (AGT, The taveler) it could conceivably survive the alteration of a third (Endgame).
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Wilv wrote: »
    But again, the uniform didn't exist in just 1 time line, it existed in 3. If it survived the alteration of 2 previous alternate time lines (AGT, The traveler) it could conceivably survive the alteration of a third (Endgame).

    The discussion of it's canon merit is kinda moot at this point...

    It soon will be seen in the game on many players and probably in many variations...

    Whether or not it becomes a standard on the NPC's..., well only time and the Dev's can answer that question.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Chat wrote:
    But my point is that they would hide the information about the future.
    So for the designer to know about it he had to be influenced by Temporal something investigations.
    Janeway traveling back would be seen as a violation(ahahaha... Didn't Janeway like make a couple of rules because of her violations?) and thereby be enforced with secrecy?

    Yes, Starfleet would suppress the future stuff from public knowledge, but they aren't foolish enough to ignore it. I'm not even sure how classified the AGT uniform and combadge design would be...it hardly seems as important as the Ablative Hull Generator or Transphasic Torpedos.
    Who decides which timeline is "proper?"

    Apparently, Admiral Janeway decides.

    In all honesty, it's safe to assume the original timeline was the proper one, as Janeway specifically set out to change it in her favor. I guess it's a good thing Captain Janeway didn't live in the 29th Century, since she would then be held accountable for her future self's crimes.

    http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Temporal_Prime_Directive

    http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Temporal_Investigations
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Wilv wrote: »
    Correction, the AGT uniform was seen in 3 separate realities ALL involving this time period.

    Again, the uniform was seen in not 1 but 3 distinct and separate time lines. Some (though I'm sure not all) of the things that set them apart were.
    (2395) During AGT, the Romulan empire had been taken over by Klingons. Tension between the Klingons and the Federation seemed high and increasing. The Enterprise D was still around. Troi was dead.

    (2422) During The visitor, the Dominion war never happened. Tension between the Klingons and the Federation was high but decreasing. The Klingons held DS9. Jadzia Dax was alive and in a relationship w/ Julian. The Enterprise D was destroyed.

    (2404) During Endgame, Voyager took 16 years longer to reach Earth. The Klingons and the Federation were friendly enough to care about Janeway's recommendation of Korath. 7/9 along w/ 22 other crew men never made it to Earth. The Dominion war did happen. Jadzia Dax was dead. The Enterprise D was destroyed.

    Even w/ these inconsistencies between the time lines the uniform in all 3 was a constant.

    All these are/were in alternate timelines..

    AGT never happened.. You cannot both have the 1701-D destroyed by the Duras sisters *and* the 1701-D upgraded to a three-nacelled abomination.

    Besides ... AGT happened in the future, Picard was a old semi-senile fool.
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