800 players voted for the
All Good Things uniform... second place in the poll after the open jacket...
http://forums.startrekonline.com/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=6
how is it that suddenly everyone and their smizmar seems to think that of all the criminally negligent, just... utterly despicable sins to CRAWL... out of its own FETID FILTH and into the franchise.... the WORST of all of them is INFINITELY better than the AGT uniform could ever HOPE to be!!
i may or may not be exaggerating...
so why do YOU hate the uniform?
personally, i think the art team did a nice job making them look pretty snazzy... even if they were kinda frumpy in the shows
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I should elaborate to stay on topic.
It's ugly. It looks like they have their pants pulled up waaay too high.
Seriously, if the color came down another two to four inches, it'd look fine. But as it stands it looks unbalanced, and is just awkward to look at.
Also, if you break down the total numbers, basically 3,047 people voted for something other than the AGT uniforms. 800 is less than half of the total people who took the poll.
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Twitching left eye over the pulled up pants would be more correct. We need nerd glasses and a high pitched laugh emote ala Steve Urkel to match.
That or a really old woman.
I got all the Uniforms that they put in-game already & I don't plain on getting it AGT.
I think you might be exaggerating just a little. By my count there are 3 threads mostly full of people waiting for this uniform.
http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=186715
http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=191885
http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=191067
Sure, there is a handful of people who don't like it and have expressed their opinion but I hardly think that qualifies as "everyone and their smizmar".
They dont belong in this time/timeperiod
To tell ya the truth, I think the AGT uniform was designed purposely like that for a specific reason...
The TNG Crew were all supposed to be much older in that part of the AGT episode...,
IMHO... In order to convey that idea, not only were they put in Aged Makeup, but the Uni was designed to give the impression of the way a lot of older people wear their clothing in contemporary society.
My RL job brings me into contact with Seniors on a regular basis and MANY of them, especially the guys wear their pants that high.
It's something that we as a society see on a regular basis and I think that design thought was put into the AGT Future uniforms to help give the viewers a subtle subconscious feeling of "Wow Their Old".
It's probably also the reason many folks around here don't like them, Frumpy is not Chic or cool to the younger crowd.
Correction, the AGT uniform was seen in 3 separate realities ALL involving this time period.
Again, the uniform was seen in not 1 but 3 distinct and separate time lines. Some (though I'm sure not all) of the things that set them apart were.
(2395) During AGT, the Romulan empire had been taken over by Klingons. Tension between the Klingons and the Federation seemed high and increasing. The Enterprise D was still around. Troi was dead.
(2422) During The visitor, the Dominion war never happened. Tension between the Klingons and the Federation was high but decreasing. The Klingons held DS9. Jadzia Dax was alive and in a relationship w/ Julian. The Enterprise D was destroyed.
(2404) During Endgame, Voyager took 16 years longer to reach Earth. The Klingons and the Federation were friendly enough to care about Janeway's recommendation of Korath. 7/9 along w/ 22 other crew men never made it to Earth. The Dominion war did happen. Jadzia Dax was dead. The Enterprise D was destroyed.
Even w/ these inconsistencies between the time lines the uniform in all 3 was a constant.
hmm. that's actually a really good point, and i like where you're going with it. it makes sense.
i did like riker's uniform though. or is that considered a separate part of the debate?
The uniform was clearly not just for the old. In "Endgame" we see cadets wearing a differently colored version of it.
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Unnamed_Starfleet_personnel_%28future%29
http://www.geocities.jp/shin1701/vgr-cadet-uniform.html
It's kinda hard to jump on that bandwagon with you...
Just look around today..., you still see many references to things from our past being Used/Copied/Incorporated into our daily lives...
Vehicles... Furniture... Clothing... They even retro-fit buildings because of nostalgia.
I find it difficult to believe that something so deeply ingrained into our psyches (Nostalgia) will just go away in a few centuries.
While I agree that older ships should not really be able to take on something twice as powerful and win...,
I see no reason why they would not still be around, our love of Nostalgia isn't going to just fade with time.
Not to mention that in Endgame, Voyager returned home with visual proof of the AGT uniform and combadge. While we don't know exactly how much data was scanned from the shuttlecraft, it's possible that information on when these were to be implemented into use was uncovered.
Since Starfleet goes to such great lengths to keep the timeline preserved, it's very likely that they would use these uniforms.
Compared to the rate every other woman gets new shoes thats like... 500 years. (or 5000 depending on how much "*censor* in the City" they watch)
Ah but that timeline stopped existing when Janeway didn't spend half her life returning to earth.
So different timeline yet again.
Personally, I love the AGT uniforms and cannot wait for them to be released.
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The point I was making was that Voyager brought visual evidence of both the AGT uniform and combadge back with it. If Starfleet was aware that the uniform was to be implemented in the future, they would adhere to it because the organization believes in, and enforces laws that advocate keeping the timeline preserved.
You seemed to have kinda-sorta, missed the point that I was talking 'JUST' about the "ALL GOOD THINGS" episode.
The original appearance of that particular uniform and the original design thought behind it.
It got changed the moment Voyager arrived early. (technically when Janeway traveled back in time but that information is secret)
And not sure if Starfleet would even know about it. Seeing as it is very much hush-hush organization.
But maybe it is moot. *shrug* All that matters is that the pants are waaaaaaaaay too high up.
Is it a one or two piece uni?
Maybe the top part is designed to appear to be like a cummerbund.
For the actual uniform it's pants all the way.
So it IS a One Piece?
Starfleet wouldn't view it as a different timeline, they'd in fact view it as the proper timeline that Admiral Janeway altered, and therefore would take measures to try to preserve it. With visual details on the AGT uniform and combadge in Starfleet's database, the uniforms will be implemented even if Janeway's early arrival home did somehow end up influencing the original designer of the uniform to stray a different way.
It is however made as a one piece. So the pants is an illusion. (I think...)
In game will most likely deal with it looking like a top with a cummerband and then whatever pants you want.
Which reduces my interest in it. Top is just fine. It's the armpit pants that are crime against fashion.
Grandfather paradox. Not that timetravel ever had a negative impact in Star Trek.
But my point is that they would hide the information about the future.
So for the designer to know about it he had to be influenced by Temporal something investigations.
Janeway traveling back would be seen as a violation(ahahaha... Didn't Janeway like make a couple of rules because of her violations?) and thereby be enforced with secrecy?
But again, the uniform didn't exist in just 1 time line, it existed in 3. If it survived the alteration of 2 previous alternate time lines (AGT, The taveler) it could conceivably survive the alteration of a third (Endgame).
The discussion of it's canon merit is kinda moot at this point...
It soon will be seen in the game on many players and probably in many variations...
Whether or not it becomes a standard on the NPC's..., well only time and the Dev's can answer that question.
Yes, Starfleet would suppress the future stuff from public knowledge, but they aren't foolish enough to ignore it. I'm not even sure how classified the AGT uniform and combadge design would be...it hardly seems as important as the Ablative Hull Generator or Transphasic Torpedos.
Apparently, Admiral Janeway decides.
In all honesty, it's safe to assume the original timeline was the proper one, as Janeway specifically set out to change it in her favor. I guess it's a good thing Captain Janeway didn't live in the 29th Century, since she would then be held accountable for her future self's crimes.
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Temporal_Prime_Directive
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Temporal_Investigations
All these are/were in alternate timelines..
AGT never happened.. You cannot both have the 1701-D destroyed by the Duras sisters *and* the 1701-D upgraded to a three-nacelled abomination.
Besides ... AGT happened in the future, Picard was a old semi-senile fool.