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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Kasensal wrote:
    I also can't find any of these prefixes on Memory Beta, the best source for soft-canon trek (IE, books and games, officially licensed stuff).

    No thanks on stuff from crappy fan fiction.

    Quoted for truth.....
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    superlink1 wrote: »
    NX-01 IS also Soft Canon even if it is Hard Canon, but NX-01 is in game as replica so it is SOFT CANON
    end of the subject.
    I think you're convoluting things for no reason. Something that is Hard Canon is always usable in Soft Canon. NX is Hard Canon because of Enterprise so it is used in STO, a Soft Canon source, but it's still Hard Canon. It always stays Hard Canon no matter where else it's used.

    There are some Soft Canon resources that have made it into STO. It remains to be seen if Cryptic will add more from other Soft Canon sources. I'm not sure the game needs NCX and EX, though. They don't really add anything to the game that NX doesn't, IMO.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    you're poor grammar is not reason enough for calling NX non-cannon Super. It's used a few times in the TV shows and movies, therefore cannon. Stop trolling.

    (Incase you guys in Discussion don't know, Super is a troll, he's tried a few times to troll in 10F.)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    superlink1 wrote: »
    as you may have not noticed as well... NX-01 is in game already and it's soft canon too you might well have to take the fact NX-01 is diffrent from rest of other ships and it is soft canon plus hard canon

    NX-2000 USS Excelsior.

    The NX designation is used to signify a prototype.

    Watch Star Trek 3 the Search for Spock to see the Excelsior's registry number.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Cosmic_One wrote: »
    I'm not sure the game needs NCX and EX, though. They don't really add anything to the game that NX doesn't, IMO.

    I guess my question is, why exactly should these be in the game, what purpose would they serve beyond being an extra little bit of data in the system? There really isn't a purpose for NX in the game other than to explain some of the kitbash designs you can make in the ship editor/
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    wrote:
    I guess my question is, why exactly should these be in the game, what purpose would they serve beyond being an extra little bit of data in the system? There really isn't a purpose for NX in the game other than to explain some of the kitbash designs you can make in the ship editor/
    People want things they see in the shows in the game. In the case of NCX and EX some people want things they see in books, and other Soft Canon sources, in the game. None of it really has any purpose, other then to make the fans happy. That's why most of the ships at T3 and lower are even in the game. :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    superlink1 wrote: »
    NX-01 IS also Soft Canon even if it is Hard Canon, but NX-01 is in game as replica so it is SOFT CANON
    end of the subject.

    You should have just dropped it and agreed they were right instead of letting your thread be de-railed. They are right btw, even if the replica is soft cannon the NX prefix is hard cannon. It was even used in DS9.

    I'd like to know what these prefixes stand for before seeing them in game. And even if they were in game, it seems like they would need to be limited to only certain ship types. I think it would be almost impossible until they launch some civilian ships.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    jockey79 wrote: »
    Wrong, hard canon is what was in the films and on TV... NX01 was on TV in ST:Enterprise with the quantum leap captain and her sister ship NX02 , so NX is hard canon.

    Technically they are pre-federation so they don't really count as the NCC's hadn't been established. I would say the best references would be the Prometheus in "Message In the Bottle" in Voyager and of course the original Defiant seen in Deep Space Nine.

    But I tend to agree with everyone else, the NCC and NX are the Starfleet registries and both serve a particular purpose and if there was another reason for a new registry eg NCV for time ships then I'd be all for it.

    I really do hope that maybe the Vulcan and Andorian ships have the option to use SS and the respective Andorian Imperial Guard registry if people want to roleplay factions out side of Starfleet, but other than that I don't see a need to add it in.

    BTW I am an avid user of the NX registry as none of my ships are stock standard and are therefore prototypes.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Kasensal wrote:
    I also can't find any of these prefixes on Memory Beta, the best source for soft-canon trek (IE, books and games, officially licensed stuff).

    No thanks on stuff from crappy fan fiction.

    actually they are on books i see and read. i'll do a search for them to confirm for this thread.
    momiji wrote: »
    you're poor grammar is not reason enough for calling NX non-cannon Super. It's used a few times in the TV shows and movies, therefore cannon. Stop trolling.

    (Incase you guys in Discussion don't know, Super is a troll, he's tried a few times to troll in 10F.)

    not a troll. i'm just saying and btw you DID't even read my thread in 10F stating i'm deaf and i type that way. jeez..
    honey? i thought we where keeping our pet names and secret love affair a secret......damn. Its not Soft. you mean in game its soft. and ive seen a few people asking you what these rediculous Prefixes stand for as well.
    sorry sir. it was honest mistake because of your current picture.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    ok it is found in one of Star Trek Books.

    here's only one i could find that has NCX prefix in it.
    http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_New_Frontier
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    jburke4 wrote: »
    I will never understand the aversion that some folks have to any innovation or expansion of the Star Trek Universe in the name of canon unless it comes directly from a small handful of people in Hollywood. If there is no expansion of the Star Trek universe it will die, proof of this fact is TNG, Voyager, DS9, Enterprise...... would folks be happier if there was nothing other than TOS using the old Connie and etc?
    Innovation and Expansion isn't anything wrong. It's just that a new prefix doesn't seem particularly innovative or expanding the universe. Having them does not give us new hope for the continuation of the Startrek franchise, and not having them doesn't spell its inevitable demise.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    superlink1 wrote: »

    sorry sir. it was honest mistake because of your current picture.

    I was teasing you. dont worry about it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    superlink1 wrote: »
    ok it is found in one of Star Trek Books.

    here's only one i could find that has NCX prefix in it.
    http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_New_Frontier

    That gives the NCX some credibility since Mackenzie Calhoun is in-game.

    In general, I think Cryptic folks are fans of Peter David's work and, in particular, the pre-Destiny New Frontier stuff works fine for the game.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    I saw the title and wanted to ask if an EX ship comes with a moon roof. . .my EX-Civic does! </levity>

    ~D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    That gives the NCX some credibility since Mackenzie Calhoun is in-game.

    In general, I think Cryptic folks are fans of Peter David's work and, in particular, the pre-Destiny New Frontier stuff works fine for the game.

    Ok someone has used it, but what is it for? Did it replace NCC as the numbers got too large? If thats the case I wouldn't mind it, it would remove the necissary "9####" range we are required to use now...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Tai_Juin wrote:
    Okay, a few things, the only Starfleet registries seen have the prefix NCC, NX, or (In the 29th century) NCV for timeships. Note STO takes place in the very early 25th century, and no standard ships have inbuilt time machines, so only NX and NCC should really be used.

    The only Starfleet ships, in canon, to use anything other than NX or NCC were ships in the 'Enterprise' era, before the UFP was founded, where the prefix denoted the class.

    NAR, NDT, NFT, NGL, and NSP are all Federation, yet NOT Starfleet prefixes. I.e. Civillian, Federation Freight, Vulcan etc.

    Off Topic:

    And MelineAaele, you say the 'real' Proxima was the USS Proxima NCC-2001, yet you quote Memory Beta, which uses non-canon roleplay as a source, and even then it says the ship is destroyed. (We do hear about another USS Proxima in "DS9: In Purgatory's Shadow" being lost, no canon class or registry is stated, but the Star Trek Encyclopedia atates it's a Nebula class NCC-61952)

    Yes, refuting one example of non-canon with another example of non-canon is wrong, my bad.

    Basically the "story" is that the NCC-2001 is made, is destroyed, and a later ship is rechristened Proxima (NCC-61952 Nebula Class)

    Regardless Im against any form of needless inclusion of arbritrary prefixes.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    MavrykDH wrote: »
    Ok someone has used it, but what is it for? Did it replace NCC as the numbers got too large? If thats the case I wouldn't mind it, it would remove the necissary "9####" range we are required to use now...

    I think NCX is for a ship which has been so heavily refit with untested systems that it's considered highly experimental.

    Like the Galaxy class with a warp drive in its saucer from New Frontier.

    An NCX ship would be an extreme refit, I think, a ship with abilities and stats unlike most of its class.

    Think... an Intrepid warship or a Defiant reworked as a science vessel for hazardous conditions or an Excelsior with a wormhole generator. That kind of thing.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    I think NCX is for a ship which has been so heavily refit with untested systems that it's considered highly experimental.

    Like the Galaxy class with a warp drive in its saucer from New Frontier.

    An NCX ship would be an extreme refit, I think, a ship with abilities and stats unlike most of its class.

    Think... an Intrepid warship or a Defiant reworked as a science vessel for hazardous conditions or an Excelsior with a wormhole generator. That kind of thing.

    mhm.. ithat's what NCX stands for..
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    I'd be ok with NCX if it was only allowed on such a super ship, like the Tier 6 Hypothetical-Class Dreadnoughts only fleets can build.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Axcess000 wrote: »
    The only other canon prefix we need is ....


    I.S.S. !

    Damn Straight!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    I think NCX is for a ship which has been so heavily refit with untested systems that it's considered highly experimental.

    Like the Galaxy class with a warp drive in its saucer from New Frontier.

    An NCX ship would be an extreme refit, I think, a ship with abilities and stats unlike most of its class.

    Think... an Intrepid warship or a Defiant reworked as a science vessel for hazardous conditions or an Excelsior with a wormhole generator. That kind of thing.

    Except that the USS Excalibur, the Galaxy Class ship to bear the name, registry number is NCC-26517-A.

    I know I have seen the NCX registration prefix before, I just know it wasn't in New Frontier.

    EDIT: Found where I saw it before. Turns out the NCX prefix was used for the USS Yamato (NCX-5626-V) Yamato-class battleship in the old Interplay video game Starfleet Command.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    superlink1 wrote: »
    actually they are on books i see and read. i'll do a search for them to confirm for this thread.



    not a troll. i'm just saying and btw you DID't even read my thread in 10F stating i'm deaf and i type that way. jeez..


    sorry sir. it was honest mistake because of your current picture.

    You know.. I don't normally point out stuff like this, but curiosity spiked. As an individual with hearing disabilities of my own, I would like to know how being deaf affects your use of spelling, grammar, and structure? These after all are largely independent of vocalization, and a common medium for the hearing impaired to communicate due to the general unpopularity of ASL.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    You get my support. If you want it, you should have it, it makes no effect on me at all in game (you dont even see someone's reg number on the UI AFAIK) and makes you happier.

    Also irony at the dude point out your grammar with the wrong your :p
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    You get my support. If you want it, you should have it, it makes no effect on me at all in game (you dont even see someone's reg number on the UI AFAIK) and makes you happier.

    Also irony at the dude point out your grammar with the wrong your :p

    Actually NemoSD used the right your. "Your" is used to show ownership over something, ie Your grammar skill level. "You're" is a contraction or "you are."
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    NemoSD wrote:
    You know.. I don't normally point out stuff like this, but curiosity spiked. As an individual with hearing disabilities of my own, I would like to know how being deaf affects your use of spelling, grammar, and structure? These after all are largely independent of vocalization, and a common medium for the hearing impaired to communicate due to the general unpopularity of ASL.

    well, every since i got computer, i've been typing like that, even on video games

    EDIT:
    i even never go like that until i got the computer of course i was typing typewriter machine for comms etc and with cell phones, writing and that stuff
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Actually NemoSD used the right your. "Your" is used to show ownership over something, ie Your grammar skill level. "You're" is a contraction or "you are."

    I thought the same thing as well until I back-tracked the quotes, and I think SB was referring to this post earlier in the thread
    momiji wrote: »
    you're poor grammar is not reason enough for calling NX non-cannon Super. It's used a few times in the TV shows and movies, therefore cannon. Stop trolling.

    (Incase you guys in Discussion don't know, Super is a troll, he's tried a few times to troll in 10F.)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    superlink1 wrote: »
    well, every since i got computer, i've been typing like that, even on video games

    EDIT:
    i even never go like that until i got the computer of course i was typing typewriter machine for comms etc and with cell phones, writing and that stuff

    As I have told many people who I mentor with various hearing issues, "Do not use your disability as a crutch, the world in general does not care, and if you use it as an excuse they look down on you, however if you do well despite the disability, you are a hero." From what you told me, you are a poor typist, and your hearing has nothing to do with it.

    Now here is the choice, learn to type and a lot of the criticism you face in places like this goes away, accept that you are a poor typist and move on, or continue to use your disability as a crutch so you do not have to do well. Choice is yours...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Geoduck360 wrote:
    I thought the same thing as well until I back-tracked the quotes, and I think SB was referring to this post earlier in the thread

    ^ Ah that would explain it.

    Yeah that is the wrong your.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    ^ Ah that would explain it.

    Yeah that is the wrong your.

    \o/ can I have a cookie please? :p

    And to help my case for cookie I also have a case of man-flu :mad:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    superlink1 wrote: »
    as you may have not noticed as well... NX-01 is in game already and it's soft canon too you might well have to take the fact NX-01 is diffrent from rest of other ships and it is soft canon plus hard canon

    In Deep Space Nine, the Defiant's registry was NX-74205 due to the fact that it was an experimental prototype. NX is hard canon.
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