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Tier 5 Miranda/NX Replica Thread

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All right, folks, we've finally gotten the Enterprise pack in STO in the C-Store and I have to say it's awesome. Great work all around by the Cryptic team in making the costumes, the ship and even adding in that little treat by allowing the grappler as a special ability. Kudos! It makes for a great optional starter ship for those of us who've run around in the Miranda and the TOS Enterprise and want something new.

Now, that being said, some of us would like to be able to run with it at higher tiers, as I'm sure there are people out there that want to run around in their Miranda and fight at higher tiers as well. Granted, I know you /can/ do this if you really try but it isn't easy to pull off all the time. So, I'd like to see how many people I can get interested in seeing an up-tiered version of the starter ships along with the NX Replica in-game.

I know there are people who feel these ships have no reason being in the higher tiers, but I'd argue that by that same logic neither does the TOS Enterprise which is being up-tiered or the Enterprise era Vulcan ship. I'd also like to point out that this ship is a replica, it's built to 25th century standards and just looks like an NX-class, so there's no reason why a higher-end version couldn't be created.

I'd suggest leaving the ships as they are, Light Cruiser and Light Escort and placing their hull somewhere just slightly below the T5 cruisers and escorts but giving them slightly better manuverability. As far as special abilities go, I'd be happy keeping the grappler for the NX and perhaps adding a phaser cannon attack to the Miranda class which utilizes those 'roll bar' cannon emplacements.

It'd also be /really/ awesome if we could get in touch with Doug Drexler and see if he, Cryptic and CBS can't put something together to allow us to use the NX-class Refit design he put together for the canceled 5th season of Enterprise. With a secondary hull and various other upgrades, that would fit the image of an upgraded NX Refit very nicely in my opinion.

So, sound off and let's see if we can't get something rolling.
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Yes please
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    All right, folks, we've finally gotten the Enterprise pack in STO in the C-Store and I have to say it's awesome. Great work all around by the Cryptic team in making the costumes, the ship and even adding in that little treat by allowing the grappler as a special ability. Kudos! It makes for a great optional starter ship for those of us who've run around in the Miranda and the TOS Enterprise and want something new.

    Now, that being said, some of us would like to be able to run with it at higher tiers, as I'm sure there are people out there that want to run around in their Miranda and fight at higher tiers as well. Granted, I know you /can/ do this if you really try but it isn't easy to pull off all the time. So, I'd like to see how many people I can get interested in seeing an up-tiered version of the starter ships along with the NX Replica in-game.

    I know there are people who feel these ships have no reason being in the higher tiers, but I'd argue that by that same logic neither does the TOS Enterprise which is being up-tiered or the Enterprise era Vulcan ship. I'd also like to point out that this ship is a replica, it's built to 25th century standards and just looks like an NX-class, so there's no reason why a higher-end version couldn't be created.

    I'd suggest leaving the ships as they are, Light Cruiser and Light Escort and placing their hull somewhere just slightly below the T5 cruisers and escorts but giving them slightly better manuverability. As far as special abilities go, I'd be happy keeping the grappler for the NX and perhaps adding a phaser cannon attack to the Miranda class which utilizes those 'roll bar' cannon emplacements.

    It'd also be /really/ awesome if we could get in touch with Doug Drexler and see if he, Cryptic and CBS can't put something together to allow us to use the NX-class Refit design he put together for the canceled 5th season of Enterprise. With a secondary hull and various other upgrades, that would fit the image of an upgraded NX Refit very nicely in my opinion.

    So, sound off and let's see if we can't get something rolling.

    ONLY if Cryptic provides the Drexler refit!


    Tbh I'm still against the NX and TOS being ingame....the TOS was supposed to be only a perk for preordering.....not a long term thing.

    Hmm and I guess Cryptic for this is 2409.... :rolleyes:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    ONLY if Cryptic provides the Drexler refit!


    Tbh I'm still against the NX and TOS being ingame....the TOS was supposed to be only a perk for preordering.....not a long term thing.

    Hmm and I guess Cryptic for this is 2409.... :rolleyes:

    I'm sure there are people that are against it, that's their right. Honestly, though, the way I see it is that we paid extra money for something in-game and we should be able to use it through the /whole/ game if we wish. That's getting our money's worth. None of the other C-Store material that I can think of is level limited. If I buy a new costume I'm not limited to wearing it through one rank and then having to move on because it's become outdated. It shouldn't be that way with ships, either.

    Everyone who plays this game has a ship they love and want to play, something iconic to them. For some it's a Galaxy, for others its a Sovereign, or one of Cryptic's original ships. I don't see why people who like the NX design shouldn't be allowed the freedom to play it on the same level as everybody else, especially if they paid extra money to enjoy it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    I want to see EVERY ship have a T5 Refit. Ideally we could upgrade them as we go. If I want to stay with the Miranda I can choose to upgrade it instead of getting a new ship. Alternativly maybe tie it to Fleet shipyards.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Inquizitor wrote: »
    I want to see EVERY ship have a T5 Refit. Ideally we could upgrade them as we go. If I want to stay with the Miranda I can choose to upgrade it instead of getting a new ship. Alternativly maybe tie it to Fleet shipyards.

    I completely agree, honestly, I think the idea of having tiers to begin with was rather bad. I understand why they felt they had to do it that way but it restricts freedom now that we've got more ship classes, more players and the C-Store going the way it is.

    Changing to a Tier-less system and using a shipyard, spacedock or other kind of system to upgrade any ship as you like would definitely open up things in the game. Now, granted it'd take a lot of work to get right and might be a near total overhaul of some of the main systems of the game but I believe it'd be worth it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Didn't they just come out with a new Klingon ship refit "that has better than normal Cruiser maneuverability."

    Couldn't they just do something like that?

    Of course they would have to ignore the forum QQ Klub crying about timeline viability, but we could have another Launcher Poll instead? :cool:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Hello there!

    I have to say that i agree with you. The NX model is very nicely done, and it would be awesome if we could fly it at higher tiers.


    BUT, can i request that we have this discussion over here?

    It would be far better for us to exchange ideas in one, single thread than to create several threads that get quickly buried. This way we can get proper attention from the devs :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    /signed

    I've been a long time proponent of A refit system, which makes sense, provides added useability to lower tier ships, but prevents imbalacing.

    For exxample, this is what I had in mind for the TOS Connie:
    Tier 3.5 "Retrofit" TOS Constitution Class
    Available at Captain rank and above

    Hull: 27500
    Turn: 8 Deg. / Sec.
    Consoles: 2 Eng / 2 Sci / 2 Tac
    Bridge Officers:
    •Lieutentant Commander Engineering
    •Lieutentant Engineering
    •Lieutentant Science
    •Lieutentant Tactical
    Weapons: 3 Fore / 3 Aft
    Crew: 500
    Devices: 3

    I also came up with an idea, by which players could upgrade their favorite ships and make them useable at the max level, without making them overpowered.

    Give it a read here:

    http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=187810


    EDIT:

    OP - I have to say the name of your title, made me think you were advocating for a Miranda style and NX Style at Tier 5, based on modern ship parts.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    /signed

    I've been a long time proponent of A refit system, which makes sense, provides added useability to lower tier ships, but prevents imbalacing.

    For exxample, this is what I had in mind for the TOS Connie:



    I also came up with an idea, by which players could upgrade their favorite ships and make them useable at the max level, without making them overpowered.

    Give it a read here:

    http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=187810


    EDIT:

    OP - I have to say the name of your title, made me think you were advocating for a Miranda style and NX Style at Tier 5, based on modern ship parts.

    Hmm, it appears we have had similar ideas one week from each other, hehe.


    This is what i am talking about. It's a great idea, but it got buried and no one else took notice of it. If we had only ONE thread where everyone commented, we'd have a 40 pages threadnaught that no one would be able to ignore.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    /signed


    EDIT:

    OP - I have to say the name of your title, made me think you were advocating for a Miranda style and NX Style at Tier 5, based on modern ship parts.

    Well, the ships are already in the game and the NX is stated to be a replica made with modern 25th Century materials. All I'm suggesting is that we should be able to have a T5 version of the NX and Miranda simply because if it's already using 25th century materials it shouldn't be hard to update. I don't know about others, but if I pay money for something (as I did for the NX) I'd like to be able to keep using it beyond the first 10 levels of a game or so.

    Along the way a couple people in the thread suggested other ideas like removing the tiers altogether or come up with some other way to update ships. That's pretty long term, so, for the moment I'm still going to push for a T5 version of the T1 ships. The Miranda and the NX have fans the same as any other ship, we should be able to fly updated versions of them at T5, that's what this is about.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Well, the ships are already in the game and the NX is stated to be a replica made with modern 25th Century materials. All I'm suggesting is that we should be able to have a T5 version of the NX and Miranda simply because if it's already using 25th century materials it shouldn't be hard to update. I don't know about others, but if I pay money for something (as I did for the NX) I'd like to be able to keep using it beyond the first 10 levels of a game or so.

    Along the way a couple people in the thread suggested other ideas like removing the tiers altogether or come up with some other way to update ships. That's pretty long term, so, for the moment I'm still going to push for a T5 version of the T1 ships. The Miranda and the NX have fans the same as any other ship, we should be able to fly updated versions of them at T5, that's what this is about.

    I think you misunderstood what I was saying.

    I was pointing out that the title suggests making a T5 Miranda / NX that uses new nacelles, hull shapes, etc. Essentially creating a 24th Century Miranda Kitbash, rather than what your post ACTUALLY suggests, which is an upgrade of an "existing" Miranda.

    Which I'd be in favor of as well, seeing a "Miranda for the Next Generation" which could be a "workhorse" for the frontline, like the 1st Generation Miranda was.

    Kind of like the Excalibur being a "next gen" version of the Constitution Class.

    Another idea I had was creating a "Light Cruiser" category at T5, for a very customizeable ship, then having the Miranda Variants, Nova Variants, Sabre Variants and Excalibur / Vesper as the ships available for "Light Cruiser". Essentially, these T5 Light Cruisers might look something like this:

    T5 Light Cruiser Retrofit
    Hull: 26,000
    Turn: 10 Deg / Sec
    Weapons: 3 Fore / 3 Aft
    Consoles: 3 Eng / 3 Sci / 3 Tac
    Devices: 3
    Bridge Officers:
    • Cmdr. Universal
    • Lt. Cmdr. Universal
    • Lt. Universal
    • Lt. Universal
    Available Ship Skins: Miranda, Centaur, Shikaar, Nova, Aurora, Quasar, Sabre, Rapier, Ushaan, Excalibur & Vesper

    The idea here is to take T1 and T2 ships, which are modern enough they could be Retrofitted for front line duty, and create a completely customizeable ship which is tailored to how the player wants to play. Basically, these are "support" ships in terms of how they would be seen from a canon perspective, and fill the role of how the Miranda was used commonly in DS9 during the Dominion War.

    In terms of the game, it gives players a way to fly Lower Tier ships they like, at T5, without making them "super ships".

    Also note the NX Class, TOS Connie and Connie Refit are not on this list. The reasoning for that is they would get their own version of a "retrofit" similar to the specs I listed for the TOS Connie in my first post, which gives them additional gameplay life, but ensures they aren't unbalacing the game versus more modern and powerful ships.

    Then, the T3 ships would get their own retrofits similar to how the Excelsior / Nebula have T3 and T5 versions.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Yes yes please make the NX top tier. Call it a retrofit if you have to. =)

    Perhaps in the future, each ship model will be able to advance - and have it's own specific weaknesses and strengths.

    For example, the NX could have really poor shielding but very strong hull. Olympic class could have boosts to healing powers and crew upkeep, etc...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    It'd also be /really/ awesome if we could get in touch with Doug Drexler and see if he, Cryptic and CBS can't put something together to allow us to use the NX-class Refit design he put together for the canceled 5th season of Enterprise.
    While we have CBS on the line, I think we should also ask them about coming to an arrangement with John Eaves to use the Klingon D4 concept as an additional Tier 1 Klink ship.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    While we have CBS on the line, I think we should also ask them about coming to an arrangement with John Eaves to use the Klingon D4 concept as an additional Tier 1 Klink ship.

    You've got my vote!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    /signed

    I'd love to see a T5 NX - I love the NX and flew it for a bit despite the fact it was T0. Made my missions alot harder but it's very nicely done.

    Maybe some ship additions that use EC rather than any other currency - allow you to upgrade the ship of your choice (in terms of hull, BO slots etc) - but it cannot go any higher in terms of hull points, BO stations etc than a barrier Cryptic has set on a per-tier basis.

    So, if you're a Commander, you can't upgrade your ship to have the same kind of BO loadout as an Admiral.
    In light of that, universal BO slots would probably be the best way to accomplish it - while some ships may (by their design perhaps) lean towards being escorts, science or cruisers - which BOs you have shouldn't really matter. Perhaps if you had a ship that leant towards science - you could get a small % bonus for any science BOs? (up to a cap of course)

    I'm sure there are better ideas out there - but I'd still love to see a T5 NX :)

    A78
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Arkane78 wrote: »
    /signed

    I'd love to see a T5 NX - I love the NX and flew it for a bit despite the fact it was T0. Made my missions alot harder but it's very nicely done.

    Maybe some ship additions that use EC rather than any other currency - allow you to upgrade the ship of your choice (in terms of hull, BO slots etc) - but it cannot go any higher in terms of hull points, BO stations etc than a barrier Cryptic has set on a per-tier basis.

    So, if you're a Commander, you can't upgrade your ship to have the same kind of BO loadout as an Admiral.
    In light of that, universal BO slots would probably be the best way to accomplish it - while some ships may (by their design perhaps) lean towards being escorts, science or cruisers - which BOs you have shouldn't really matter. Perhaps if you had a ship that leant towards science - you could get a small % bonus for any science BOs? (up to a cap of course)

    I'm sure there are better ideas out there - but I'd still love to see a T5 NX :)

    A78

    Here http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=189509&page=4

    Can we get a signature from you as well? :D:D:D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    I have to say I am loving the NX-01.

    It has actually gotten me playing my newest alt again after a long break.

    I am dreading having to give her up, and would LOVE a T5 version.

    Whoever designed the NX did a great job, aside from some clipping issues which I am sure will be sorted out eventually.

    As others have said, we paid quite a bit of real cash to obtain this little beauty, and it is a shame to only use it as a starter ship.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    I wouldn't mind seeing some higher tier "inspired by" versions of these ships...but I don't want to see these exact ships available at T5, due to their age. I like that the older ships are the lower tier ships..like Starfleet pulled them from mothballs and let these new captains command them, as a way of testing them out and seeing if their truly ready for commanding a more "modern" type of ship.

    But to have the highest tier of ships include some of the oldest ships available in Starfleet? No thank you. :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    RevRaven wrote: »
    I wouldn't mind seeing some higher tier "inspired by" versions of these ships...but I don't want to see these exact ships available at T5, due to their age. I like that the older ships are the lower tier ships..like Starfleet pulled them from mothballs and let these new captains command them, as a way of testing them out and seeing if their truly ready for commanding a more "modern" type of ship.

    But to have the highest tier of ships include some of the oldest ships available in Starfleet? No thank you. :)

    Well, having older ships on the highest tier just for the sake of them being up there..... i agree with you, that'd be a tragesty.

    However there are some ideas floating around that would not only make something like this possible, but actually quite immersive.

    The logic behind these ideas (Again, there's a link on my sig) is that you'd be able to have a Miranda in T5, but it wouldn't be quite the same Miranda as the one you have in T1. Basically, it wouldn't be the same ship at all

    You would basically just have the same frame. Everything else would be different.. Hull Material, Phaser Emitters, Warp Core, Main Computer, Bridge.. you name it. Furthermore, you'd have adjusted stats.

    A T5 Miranda would still be a light cruiser. It would be able to mount MKX components without the power penalty. It would have much less crew and hull than it's proper T5 counterparts, and it would be quite an squishy ship. However it would be much faster, would have the same BO configuration (or a modified, but comparable config) and basically it'd be like a T5 escort on the cruiser line.. except it would have stronger hull, stronger shields, a little less maneuverability, no commander tactical BO slot and no cannons.

    Although since the Miranda is a wild-card, perhaps you could have three paths in which you could upgrade it. You could have the cruiser path, the science path and the escort path. And at T5, it could have different looks for each one of these classifications. A Cruiser miranda could have the classical look, an Escort miranda could have the Saratoga look and a Science miranda could have the Bozeman look.



    BUT, to make sure you wouldn't see a whole lot of mirandas flying on T5, you would have to work an entire month to be able to upgrate it to T5.


    Again, this idea and many more, in detail, you can find here.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Obligatory "do not want".

    One should assume that people are happy the ship is in the game at all. But noooo...
    Honestly, though, the way I see it is that we paid extra money for something in-game and we should be able to use it through the /whole/ game if we wish.
    You can do so already.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Could not possibly disagree with this topic more.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Would the two last posters care to elaborate? :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    The OP is talking about, say, kit bashing a Miranda or NX-style ship with T5 parts, right?

    The net result being a new class as similar to the Miranda as the Nebula is. But which has the basic profile.

    I don't see objecting to this, really.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Ruivo wrote:
    Would the two last posters care to elaborate? :)
    Sure. I like to keep a semblance of "Trek realism" for the battles, both in PvE and PvP, so I want the ships to be close to what we know from the screen in terms of usage and efficiency. An NX or a Miranda being on par with Sovereigns and Negh'vars is simply an immersion killer for me; the first one shouldn't even show up and the second should pop like in DS9.

    I really don't care what you people do in Sector Space, RP or Tier 1 PvE/PvP (that's kinda "lost" due to the TOS-Connie already, so by all means have your fun), but I would wish the later tiers to stay close to the Trek I know from TV and the movies.

    Before anyone calls me a hater, I'd also like to point out that I actually love both the ENT series and the movies II-VI, including the Miranda-design. It's just that I prefer the settings I play in to be a little consistent. In terms of Starfleet, STO is already very much removed from this due to overcustomization, but I see no point in advancing this even further.

    I hope you can see my side of the coin, too. I dislike being a party-pooper here and that this argument keeps putting us into opposite factions, but I've got to campaign for my vision of the game just as much as everyone else in this thread.
    If Cryptic would put in some sort of switch to client-side change the appearance of these ships into something else, I'd have no problem with that. But when my enjoyment of the game is affected, I feel the need to speak up.
    The OP is talking about, say, kit bashing a Miranda or NX-style ship with T5 parts, right? The net result being a new class as similar to the Miranda as the Nebula is.
    No, this is about the NX. (otherwise there'd already be the Akira, anyways)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Valias wrote:
    Sure. I like to keep a semblance of "Trek realism" for the battles, both in PvE and PvP, so I want the ships to be close to what we know from the screen in terms of usage and efficiency. An NX or a Miranda being on par with Sovereigns and Negh'vars is simply an immersion killer for me; the first one shouldn't even show up and the second should pop like in DS9.

    I really don't care what you people do in Sector Space, RP or Tier 1 PvE/PvP (that's kinda "lost" due to the TOS-Connie already, so by all means have your fun), but I would wish the later tiers to stay close to the Trek I know from TV and the movies.

    Before anyone calls me a hater, I'd also like to point out that I actually love both the ENT series and the movies II-VI, including the Miranda-design. It's just that I prefer the settings I play in to be a little consistent. In terms of Starfleet, STO is already very much removed from this due to overcustomization, but I see no point in advancing this even further.

    I hope you can see my side of the coin, too. I dislike being a party-pooper here and that this argument keeps putting us into opposite factions, but I've got to campaign for my vision of the game just as much as everyone else in this thread.
    If Cryptic would put in some sort of switch to client-side change the appearance of these ships into something else, I'd have no problem with that. But when my enjoyment of the game is affected, I feel the need to speak up.


    Ah yes, you're quite right.

    Even though i love ships like the Miranda, NX and Prometheus, i'd hate to see them in later tiers just for the sake of them being there. I would, however, comply with them being up there if a proper logic explaining the "how" part of them getting T5 worthy was in place.

    It's like i said in another thread, there are more ways in which a ship can be effective other than having a stronger hull, stronger ships and stronger weapons. They can also be faster and more agile. And they would also be, naturally, much harder to "produce" than state-of-the-art ships.



    When you get down to it, what we love in these ships is just their frames. A Tier 5 Saber can easelly be up to par with a Tier 5 Defiant, if the saber had the same hull material, same weapons, same warp core, same computer, same impulse engines, same thrusters, etc...


    A Tier 5 Constitution would NEVER be the same as a Tier 5 Galaxy, no matter how much you upgrade it's hull. However the point here is that it's not even supposed to be the same as the T5 Galaxy.

    BUT, it's just like the way that the T5 INTREPID is not the same as the T5 Galaxy. The intrepid is smaller, has less hull, less shield and less power. However it is faster than the galaxy and it is more agile than the galaxy. The only difference then the normal intrepid would have over an extremelly upgraded Constitution would be the BO arrangement.

    The T5 connie would basically be an Intrepid in the cruiser line. So three things would happen here: Connie fans would be happy, T5 Cruiser Captains would have more variety and T5 PVP will be more interesting, as you won't be able to tell if that Connie is an ordinary Connie being commanded by a noob admiral, or it's an heavelly upgraded connie with an experienced admiral.




    Well, i'm also happy to see that you can make a clear point without just saying "No because no!!!!" like some other people. Do go to the thread linked on my signature, take a read at all the ideas proposed there and say what you think! Wouldn't be much of a discussion if we don't have people who view things from the other side of the coin.. as you said..
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    And it starts. It's not enough that ships more than 300 years old that have been turned into scrap metal and recycled into other parts have somehow been reformed into ships 3 centuries ago, they now have to be made on par with the newest state of the art ships in commission now. When hell freezes over they do. If this was the case, why make any new ships? Why even have a contest to design a new Enterprise. Didn't you get the memo? Just stick new parts into the old one and call it a day.

    Sure, you paid money to enjoy your ship. I also paid money, to enjoy the game set in a time where those ships do not exist. So I guess your rights are greater than mine that you can impede upon my immersion? TRIBBLE that. You should be happy you get to fly those old junkers in the first place. I'm not a ship hater, I like those ships too, but I am a timeline hater and it irks me those ships are in this time period. If Cryptic puts them up at Tier 5, I hope they are ready to revamp the game and remake it, setting the time period back to 2280's atleast. Seems like what people want.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    And it starts. It's not enough that ships more than 300 years old that have been turned into scrap metal and recycled into other parts have somehow been reformed into ships 3 centuries ago, they now have to be made on par with the newest state of the art ships in commission now. When hell freezes over they do. If this was the case, why make any new ships? Why even have a contest to design a new Enterprise. Didn't you get the memo? Just stick new parts into the old one and call it a day.

    Sure, you paid money to enjoy your ship. I also paid money, to enjoy the game set in a time where those ships do not exist. So I guess your rights are greater than mine that you can impede upon my immersion? TRIBBLE that. You should be happy you get to fly those old junkers in the first place. I'm not a ship hater, I like those ships too, but I am a timeline hater and it irks me those ships are in this time period. If Cryptic puts them up at Tier 5, I hope they are ready to revamp the game and remake it, setting the time period back to 2280's atleast. Seems like what people want.

    Let me ask you this then, if I might. They have said that the NX is a replica, not an original 2150s Starship. That being said, how is it a 300 year old 'junker'? Who is to say that it cannot or should not, keep up with a ship with a more modern looking shell?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    I honestly don't get why people refuse to believe it would be possible, albeit highly prohibitive to refit an old ship SO MUCH that in effect it's an entire NEW ship in what's just an old shell, or "frame" if you will.

    You can either go the easy way, and just use a state of the art ship, or you can work your pants off for an entire month just to refit that old ship you like.

    Like i said time and again, the word "Prohibitive" is FAR better than the word "Prohibited". I would be happy if it was so god darned prohibitive that you'd only see two or three T5 Sabers a month, much happier then if i saw 100, or 500, and DEFINATLY happier than having it be impossible.


    It's like i said "You shouldn't be able to do it. But if you really really really want to waste a whole lot of time and put on an herculean effort just to appease your own tastes, then go right ahead... be my guest".


    Would work for us old ship lovers, and wouldn't ruin the game for "timeline" lovers. Well.. most of them anyway... Still, it'd would please a whole LOT of people, wouldn't bother another LOT of people and would only be bad for a few handfull. Can't please everyone..
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Sprint01 wrote:
    Let me ask you this then, if I might. They have said that the NX is a replica, not an original 2150s Starship. That being said, how is it a 300 year old 'junker'? Who is to say that it cannot or should not, keep up with a ship with a more modern looking shell?

    That's easy. Since it's a replica that keeps true to it's 2150 form, complete with grappling hook instead of tractor beam technology, I can extrapolate that the weapon systems would also be similiar as well as lacking shield technology. That thing shouldn't even give a TOS Connie a run for it's money. So I'll ask you, how do you expect it to stand on par with the likes of a Sovereign.

    Ok, let's say they completely retrofit it. They've upgraded the weapon systems, added a shield generator, etc. Since it's still a replica, you run into size problems. You couldn't put a huge warp core into that frame, that's impossible. Or maybe you can, but you then you have to gut out the shield generators. Or remove a couple of weapon systems. See my point? At best, you would be limited to Mark 2 gear if you wanted everything (or Mark 4, being liberal here). Again, I'll ask you how you are supposed to stand up to a Klingon carrier in Mark 11 gear when your maxxed out in Mark 4.

    That would be a "real world" scenario, but in this game it doesn't matter much because you could put Mark 11 gear in all of the Runabout's slots. However, Cryptic should stay kinda true to form. That means your NX-01 now has one forward Phaser Array, one forward torpedo launcher, etc. Basically they would make it a giant Runabout. And while fun to pilot one in pvp, I think we both know how useful they actually are in battle.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    That's easy. Since it's a replica that keeps true to it's 2150 form, complete with grappling hook instead of tractor beam technology, I can extrapolate that the weapon systems would also be similiar as well as lacking shield technology. That thing shouldn't even give a TOS Connie a run for it's money. So I'll ask you, how do you expect it to stand on par with the likes of a Sovereign.

    Ok, let's say they completely retrofit it. They've upgraded the weapon systems, added a shield generator, etc. Since it's still a replica, you run into size problems. You couldn't put a huge warp core into that frame, that's impossible. Or maybe you can, but you then you have to gut out the shield generators. Or remove a couple of weapon systems. See my point? At best, you would be limited to Mark 2 gear if you wanted everything (or Mark 4, being liberal here). Again, I'll ask you how you are supposed to stand up to a Klingon carrier in Mark 11 gear when your maxxed out in Mark 4.

    That would be a "real world" scenario, but in this game it doesn't matter much because you could put Mark 11 gear in all of the Runabout's slots. However, Cryptic should stay kinda true to form. That means your NX-01 now has one forward Phaser Array, one forward torpedo launcher, etc. Basically they would make it a giant Runabout. And while fun to pilot one in pvp, I think we both know how useful they actually are in battle.

    Hmm, you make a good argument, however it's can be countered. You somewhat reversed the usefullness/requirement relation there. The Sovereign isn't big because it has a big warp core. It has a big warp core because the Sovereign is big.

    Instead of wanting to compare the NX with the sovereign, why not compara it to the Defiant?

    How does a Defiant stands up against the Sovereign, or a Klingon Carrier?

    Say you fitted the NX with a Defiant warp core, with Defiant hull plating, with Defiant armor, with Defiant weapons and a Defiant computer. Is it far fetched then to compare that NX with the Defiant?

    But the Defiant is an escort, you say. But what makes the Defiant an escort in STO? Is it it's size and maneuverability, or the fact that it has tactical BO slots?


    AND, what would be easier for you, as a captain. To request command of an already state of the art Defiant, or pick up an old NX and refit it yourself? Think of it as adding yet another layer of progression and gameplay to the game. You now can also entertain yourself and use your in-game time to improve one of your favorite ships.
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