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So, I was thinking of ideas for a new weekly series some time down the road.

We had McCoy in one, Scotty in another. Kirk is dead, presumably so is the rest of the command crew, Spock isn't but he's in another reality right now.

So what about...Mirror Spock...dun dun dun!

We never *really* found out what happened to him in particular. Sure there are books that say, but that's not really canon anyway.

The basic premise is now that the Empire is back, Spock is still alive and ****ed at our universe for interfering with his, and getting the Vulcan race and Empire in general enslaved. Since his 'tainted thinking' was behind the fall of the Empire, logically violence was the answer after all.

Obrien's kid was just the first step, a proving ground if you will. Spock himself was really behind it all, and will be leading the next wave.

We already have Nimoy for voice overs for some of the game, perhaps he'd be willing for round 2?
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    mirror spock has been dead for a while. you might want to rewatch the ds9 mirror eps.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    dukedom wrote: »
    mirror spock has been dead for a while. you might want to rewatch the ds9 mirror eps.

    Actually no. Watch this part of it. They never specifically said Spock was killed. Only that after he changed the policies the Empire was weakened then defeated, and his people enslaved. For all we know they made the mistake of keeping him alive as a plaything.

    The only episodes Mirror Spock is ever seen / mentioned are TOS: Mirror, Mirror and DS9: Crossover
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Hravik wrote:
    So what about...Mirror Spock...dun dun dun!

    http://www.youtube.com/v/a1Y73sPHKxw?fs=1&hl=en_US


    what one had Scotty in it?:confused:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Krenn wrote: »
    what one had Scotty in it?:confused:

    Scotty is in the last Devidian episode.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Bashir is wrong in that episode. cadets would never have learned about the MU, for obvious reasons.

    there's one novel that goes thru to the fall of the Terran Empire from just when Kirk talks with Spock. it's quite good, and should be accepted as more than soft canon.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Hravik wrote:
    Scotty is in the last Devidian episode.

    oh, explains why I havn't seen him yet cuz I didn't get that ep done. will tonight, tho.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Krenn wrote: »
    Bashir is wrong in that episode. cadets would never have learned about the MU, for obvious reasons.

    there's one novel that goes thru to the fall of the Terran Empire from just when Kirk talks with Spock. it's quite good, and should be accepted as more than soft canon.

    Its a good book yes, you're referring to a series of short stories in the book called Glass Empires I assume? Unfortunately no Star Trek book is canon, soft or otherwise, with the exception of a couple of the first few Voyager books.

    I think I vaguely remember another book following Mirror Spock I read years and years ago, but again...not canon.

    The problem with Trek books is that unlike the Star Wars EU, they didn't make sure everything was internally consistent. Everyone has their favorite Trek books and authors, but they often contradict each other, and the shows themselves. *cough Shatnerverse cough*

    I just see it as an excuse to get some version of Spock in game, and that he would make a good villain.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Hravik wrote:
    Its a good book yes, you're referring to a series of short stories in the book called Glass Empires I assume? Unfortunately no Star Trek book is canon, soft or otherwise, with the exception of a couple of the first few Voyager books.

    I think I vaguely remember another book following Mirror Spock I read years and years ago, but again...not canon.

    The problem with Trek books is that unlike the Star Wars EU, they didn't make sure everything was internally consistent. Everyone has their favorite Trek books and authors, but they often contradict each other, and the shows themselves. *cough Shatnerverse cough*

    I just see it as an excuse to get some version of Spock in game, and that he would make a good villain.

    the book is Mirror Universe: The Sorrows of Empire, and it's also included in one of the short stories books. this book should be considered canon as it takes place just minutes after the alternate Kirk returns to Enterprise and is promptly killed by Spock.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Krenn wrote: »
    the book is Mirror Universe: The Sorrows of Empire, and it's also included in one of the short stories books. this book should be considered canon as it takes place just minutes after the alternate Kirk returns to Enterprise and is promptly killed by Spock.

    All of David Mack's books are canon. Period! Discussion, over! :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    well look at it like this... when I find mirror spock i'll kill him... dam vulcans.. ruined the first Terran Empire... Think thats the call to commit genocide on them now.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Krenn wrote: »
    the book is Mirror Universe: The Sorrows of Empire, and it's also included in one of the short stories books. this book should be considered canon as it takes place just minutes after the alternate Kirk returns to Enterprise and is promptly killed by Spock.

    I gotta say, that makes more sense than letting him live...and go on to mastermind the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance...and escape in a sleeper ship...and get thawed out in the 24th century...and assemble a crack commando team made up of the mirror TNG crew...and get back together with the Klingons and Cardassians to build a duplicate of Voyager...then use it in an elaborate plan to steal and duplicate the Enterprise-E...which he will then use to get ahold of some abandoned First Federation starships.

    Man, the Shatnerverse is cracky.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Interestingly... The "Sorrows of the Empire" book established that Kirk was disposed of with the Tantalus Field after being strangled. In the Shatnerverse, Kirk was overthrown but not killed and led the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance to kill and enslave his own people.

    The specifics of Kirk and Spock's deaths (or continued lives into the 24th century) in the mirror universe are wildly inconsistent between comics and novels... and no two versions of events from the novels have agreed.

    Here was Shatner's pitch for his guest appearance on Enterprise:
    "The idea was that the Tantalus Field was not a disintegrator, it was a humane way of dealing with prisoners, by sending them back in time to a sealed penal colony," Garfield explained. "Enterprise NX-01 comes upon the colony - and Tiberius [mirror-Kirk] is there. Tiberius thinks, 'Finally, a ship with a transporter - I can get back to my own universe, my own time.' He basically goes on the NX-01, gets to the transporter, sets it to go back to the mirror universe - the Mirror Universe doesn't exist."

    "It hasn't been created yet," Judith said

    "So Tiberius and Archer work together to figure out where the division point is between the universes, what point that one split off into the other. And as it turns out, Tiberius and Archer together are responsible for the creation of the mirror universe." Garfield said.

    The producers (except Berman) were onboard but Berman wanted Shatner to do a comedic episode as Chef (who would be an ancestor of Kirk's) aboard the NX-01.

    Now, Shatner's pitch (the idea of Spock using the Tantalus Field on Mirror Kirk and inadvertently sending him through time) wouldn't work as originally planned now the the Mirror Universe is show to diverge centuries before Enterprise.

    But *ahem* it could be used to bring mirror Kirk (or Spock) FORWARD into STO. (Or Pike. As Pike was its first victim.)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    yeah, that could work, bring Pike forward somehow nd the mish would be to find a way to return him to when he belongs.

    the shatverse mirrorverse books, while good stories, don't quite ring right. what Mack came up with is far more plausible in that it shows how Spock weakened the Terran Empire to bring about its downfall, but far sooner than originally predicted
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    If nothing else I'll just make it a UGC mission. I have too many planned already though :confused:
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