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Does that technically mean the first Devidian Series episode didn't take place?
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Does that technically mean the first Devidian Series episode didn't take place?

    Yes .
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    I HATE temporal mechanics.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Presbytier wrote: »
    Yes .

    Wouldn't that mean we shouldn't have gotten a reward then, since Mr. Drake would have no idea what the hell we were talking about once we got back and contacted him? :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Wouldn't that mean we shouldn't have gotten a reward then, since Mr. Drake would have no idea what the hell we were talking about once we got back and contacted him? :)

    Then he never would have sent us back in time to destroy the comet.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Predestination paradox ?!?!?!?1
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Wouldn't that mean we shouldn't have gotten a reward then, since Mr. Drake would have no idea what the hell we were talking about once we got back and contacted him? :)

    No one ever said time travel in Star Trek made sense.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    To quote someone else "I HATE temporal mechanics".
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    But if we destroyed the comet in the past, how can there be a comet in the 25th century to cause us problems in the first place?:confused:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    skipenguin wrote:
    But if we destroyed the comet in the past, how can there be a comet in the 25th century to cause us problems in the first place?:confused:

    I think you missed the boat; we have discussed this already.:D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Don't tell me you guys are going to try and dissect temporal paradox in this thread..

    Heh..
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Katic wrote: »
    Don't tell me you guys are going to try and dissect temporal paradox in this thread..

    Heh..

    Better than some of the other topics that persisted over the weekend....
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Katic wrote: »
    Don't tell me you guys are going to try and dissect temporal paradox in this thread..

    Heh..

    This might help.:D

    http://www.st-minutiae.com/academy/cosmology247/
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    skipenguin wrote:
    But if we destroyed the comet in the past, how can there be a comet in the 25th century to cause us problems in the first place?:confused:

    Ah but you were in the past with the knowledge and experience of the prior timeline when the timeline was altered. You were shielded from the temporal change because you where in the past. Not to mention you were the cause of the temporal change. The question is how is Drake being shields from the changes in the timeline? Him being in the 25th century should be part of the new timeline.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    fuzun wrote: »
    Ah but you were in the past with the knowledge and experience of the prior timeline when the timeline was altered. You were shielded from the temporal change because you where in the past. Not to mention you were the cause of the temporal change. The question is how is Drake being shields from the changes in the timeline? Him being in the 25th century should be part of the new timeline.

    This is assuming that time is linear in nature, but it could be we only perceive time in this fashion.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Anyone who had knowledge of the change was unaffected by it as well. That is how Drake knows after you come back. Plus he made a recording...just in case.

    Yeah...that's it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Actually it's not much of a paradine to dissect really. Your computer logs would still have information about the events. Even if it didn't, you now have knowledge of Drake's contacts and the super secret world Section 31 uses and can explain to him how he set up the time travel to begin with. Even if he didn't believe you, if he could modify your ship without knowing it, I'm sure he put something else in there to help him assess the situation. He seems like the thorough type. :p
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Okay Devs, where is our mission where we are investigated by Temporal Investigations?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Drake exists outside of time in his own, little universe.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Voyager created temporal shields.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    skipenguin wrote:
    But if we destroyed the comet in the past, how can there be a comet in the 25th century to cause us problems in the first place?:confused:

    I'd think that Schrodinger's Caitian would come into play here.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    taallyn wrote: »
    Drake exists outside of time in his own, little universe.

    That post has made my day.
    Voyager created temporal shields.

    Ah, but that was an alternate version of Voyager that was erased from history after it rammed the Krenim time-erasing ship, which ended up erasing itself from existence, so there!

    Let's be honest, the Devidian series got itself into a bit of a mess with the time travelling in the finale, which puts it in fine company with rest of Trek. My two major complaints:

    - If you accidentally destroyed B'Vat's ship, the game should have paused with the words "B'VAT IS DEAD" appearing over the screen while Leonard Nimoy shouted "Captain, you can't do that! The future will be changed! You'll create a time paradox!"

    - When you got back to the present, Drake should have had a big mustache. Or spontaneously become a woman. One of the two.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    "Time is simply Nature's way of keeping everything from happening at once."
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Ah, but that was an alternate version of Voyager that was erased from history after it rammed the Krenim time-erasing ship, which ended up erasing itself from existence, so there!

    Let's be honest, the Devidian series got itself into a bit of a mess with the time travelling in the finale, which puts it in fine company with rest of Trek. My two major complaints:

    - If you accidentally destroyed B'Vat's ship, the game should have paused with the words "B'VAT IS DEAD" appearing over the screen while Leonard Nimoy shouted "Captain, you can't do that! The future will be changed! You'll create a time paradox!"

    - When you got back to the present, Drake should have had a big mustache. Or spontaneously become a woman. One of the two.

    Your first part makes my head hurt. the "Year of Hell" was a great 2 parter IMO, but all the stuff made it hard to maintain a linear track of.


    your second half would be funny, lol.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    The Doctor (the Time Lord one, not the hologram one) explains it best:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vY_Ry8J_jdw
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    When I come into contact with temporal paradoxes, I tend to think of the butterfly effect. The fact that nothing really changed in the series does bother me, but I'm certain that something along the line of "time sorts itself out in the end" is the best explanation that doesn't include my head imploding trying to come up with a scientific explanation.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Does that technically mean the first Devidian Series episode didn't take place?

    Yes, which is why I hate time travel in fiction. I have yet to see ANY story involving time travel into the past that wasn't hillariously devoid of any kind of logic. Writers should keep their pens off that idea, really.

    There is NO way whatsoever to keep time travelling and logic and reason under the same roof, except your story doesn't alter anything there at all. Which rarely makes sense.
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